So now what [The 2012 tournament season]

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Now that APEX 2012 is done (grats to all the winners and TOs), what tournaments do we have to look forward to? I know tournament listings is as full as ever but I can't remember the last time we've had so few big tournaments on the horizon. NYTE, Wintergamesfest, and Northwest Manifest will be solid regionals, but other than Smasher's Reunion, there isn't a international tournament lined up in the coming months...

APEX should have taught us all that there is definitely a market for it, but without an event on the calendar, I don't know what we're gonna do...

 

[Strong Badam]

Smasher's Reunion

 

[Krynxe]

http://www.smashboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=51

This board exists for a reason

Take note of the stickied threads.

 

[Merkuri]

Well it certainly doesn't help that we'll never have another Pound event to look forward to, you can blame bad tourney planning for that.

For melee I think there is less hype now because we have a clear number 1 player, for the first time since maybe pre-Genesis 1. Moreover defending the home from the invaders is more exciting than watching foreigners take our money :/. Mango being demotivated, and M2k pretty much retiring now doesn't help anything either. And having(it really is true) a boring/hypeless grand finals at our 2nd largest and most recent tournament does nothing but hamper our community.

As for Brawl It kinda sucks knowing that Japan are the strongest in Brawl and yet they probably won't come back to the U.S, because of the metaknight ban making all wins over here illegitimate. I imagine the top European players will also be less inclined to attend our major tournaments for the same reason. Those reading this may ask WTF do I care about Brawl if I'm a melee player, but like it or not as far as tourneys go the two are inextricably linked. For melee in particular there has never been an international tourney that didn't also have Brawl at the event, I'm not sure how many people actually play both games, but for some reason having both events at the same tourney generates more hype for both events.

For melee, I don't see anything breathing new life in our tourneys, except for a new candidate to take the best player in the world title from Armada. I think what would set our community on fire is if Mexico's top players were to attend one of our tourneys, now that Javi has proved himself. That being said I'm not sure things are as grim as you're making it sound though. I imagine Wintergames fest 2012, NYTE, Northwestern Manifest and Smashers Reunion could all be 100+ tourneys. Even if(probably the case) none of these tournies, break 200+ attendants, 4 100 man tournies so early in the year is impressive.

As for Brawl, with metaknight ban I guess we're going to have an entirely new metagame, things seem dead now, but I guess a new higher echelon of players are going to emerge. We'll move away from M2k, Anti, etc being the best to some of the other players getting the spot light. I imagine a lot of lower tier characters will now have a legitimate shot at placing well in tournies, we'll have to wait a few months to see how the new hierarchy of best players turns out but it should be interesting.

tldr, give it sometime to see how the smash scene bounces back.

 

[Strong Badam]

Meta Knight doesn't invalidate anyone. I can't think of a single char with a bad match-up against MK that doesn't have one against other characters. You'll see a bit more character diversity because MK was the most popular character but that's about it. It'd be like if people banned Fox in Melee; the players that used Fox will quit or use other chars.... so other chars will be more popular. Go figure.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

NYTE

10char

 

[Bones0]

Crimson, why weren't you there anyway mang?

Idk the character spread from Apex, but considering the US got dominated, Metaknight must be the worst character to ever be banned in a fighting game. lol

 

[Merkuri]

Meta Knight doesn't invalidate anyone. I can't think of a single char with a bad match-up against MK that doesn't have one against other characters. You'll see a bit more character diversity because MK was the most popular character but that's about it. It'd be like if people banned Fox in Melee; the players that used Fox will quit or use other chars.... so other chars will be more popular. Go figure.

Having a bad matchup isn't the point. Too many lower tier characters had an unwinnable matchup against metaknight. At the sametime they have bad but not hopeless matchups against other top tiers. Metaknight does invalidate characters.

The Fox analogy doesn't sand up, since Fox isn't broken and it's debatable if he is even the best character in the game. It would be more like banning by Shiek, if she had Jigglypuff's recovery.

 

[Bones0]

I think you missed the point, which was that obviously banning the most popular character in a game will lead to more character diversity, but only because people are being forced to change mains, not because everyone is suddenly going "OMG no MK?! I CAN MAIN LINK!! YAY!!!"

 

[Merkuri]

Crimson, why weren't you there anyway mang?

Idk the character spread from Apex, but considering the US got dominated, Metaknight must be the worst character to ever be banned in a fighting game. lol

Um...it was a Metaknight that won the tourney. And there were 4 metaknights in top 6 >_<

I think you missed the point, which was that obviously banning the most popular character in a game will lead to more character diversity, but only because people are being forced to change mains, not because everyone is suddenly going "OMG no MK?! I CAN MAIN LINK!! YAY!!!"

What I was saying is that lower tier mains will start doing better, not that there will be more of them.

And this thread is about melee's future, while as I stated before I do believe Brawl's community does have an effect on melee's community lets not harp on Metaknight too much.

 

[ihatejuice69]

Is there going to be a next Genesis?

 

[Geenareeno]

Pound VI

 

[hungrybox]

Pound VI

i had to lol

 

[X17the17th]

I imagine Wintergames fest 2012, NYTE, Northwestern Manifest and Smashers Reunion could all be 100+ tourneys. Even if(probably the case) none of these tournies, break 200+ attendants, 4 100 man tournies so early in the year is impressive.

I believe Smasher's Reunion is going to be way more than "just" a 100+ tourney. There were already 200 people in the interest list only one week after Tomberry made the thread, so there's a huge amount of hype about this tournament, on this side of the pond anyway.
For the record, 200+ players from 14 nationalities (including some Japanese players) attended ESA2. It has happened before, it can most certainly happen again.

 

[Jonas]

Especially if the community is starved for big tournies. So come to Norway this summer everyone, it'll be hype

 

[stelzig]

Yeah, even without the US coming (though some of you should! ) I imagine smashers reunion has a good shot at reaching 200.

 

[Beat!]

There are already 250 players on the interest list, with several months left. Definitely not just another "100+ tourney".

 

[Plairnkk]

Well it certainly doesn't help that we'll never have another Pound event to look forward to, you can blame bad tourney planning for that.

Bad planning aside I would've loved to run more tournaments to help pay off the debt since I very obviously learned from my mistakes, but unfortunately the community is more concerned with trying to extract out of me money I do not have than working in a positive way to resolve the matterm (which would not have been hard).

P4 venue could've easily made a comeback.

Six years, one big mistake, bann3d FOR3V3R

 

[Pikaville]

I think the US need to make some effort to come to Europe.

Some players will play better because they need the money to make it worth the trip xD

 

[Juushichi]

Unfortunately, that's how it works.

You can pro'lly still work as an Assist or something and work your way back up with the trust of the community. You still seem to have the support of a good chunk of your region, so it's not all lost.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Bad planning aside I would've loved to run more tournaments to help pay off the debt since I very obviously learned from my mistakes, but unfortunately the community is more concerned with trying to extract out of me money I do not have than working in a positive way to resolve the matterm (which would not have been hard).

P4 venue could've easily made a comeback.

Six years, one big mistake, bann3d FOR3V3R

PERMA BAN

Why don't I have you on aim...?

 

[Massive]

I think the US need to make some effort to come to Europe.

Some players will play better because they need the money to make it worth the trip xD

Europe would need to have a tournament with enough attendees to make the winnings cover airfare then. Also keep in mind that Americans get the least paid time off of all first-world countries in the world and the vast majority of us do not have passports.

 

[Beat!]

Europe would need to have a tournament with enough attendees to make the winnings cover airfare then.

Smasher's Reunion

Yeah, even without the US coming (though some of you should! ) I imagine smashers reunion has a good shot at reaching 200.

There are already 250 players on the interest list, with several months left. Definitely not just another "100+ tourney".

Good enough?

Also keep in mind that Americans get the least paid time off of all first-world countries in the world and the vast majority of us do not have passports.

No Johns

 

[tarheeljks]

idk, i think being broke is a pretty good john. most murcans just don't have the cash to go (just for a smash tourney) when they might not make $

 

[Beat!]

Yeah, because all international players that travel to USA for tournaments are millionaires and never have to worry about not being able to afford something.

>_>

 

[Merkuri]

There are already 250 players on the interest list, with several months left. Definitely not just another "100+ tourney".

With Europe's current community I have a hard time believing they can manage 200+ attendants. Then again, Apex number far surpassed my predictions, so we'll see I guess(personally I hope it's very successful)

Unfortunately, that's how it works.

You can pro'lly still work as an Assist or something and work your way back up with the trust of the community. You still seem to have the support of a good chunk of your region, so it's not all lost.

Plank, this isn't a bad idea. Maybe you should start hosting tourneys in your state, to gain back the trust of the community.

 

[stelzig]

What do you know about europe's community? Pretty much every country has their own little community - not on this board (except UK). The interest list doesn't lie. Not that I imagine all of the people on that list will go, but some others probably will, like one dane is already confirmed, but not on the list.

But yeah, just because you don't hear much about/from the european players, doesn't mean they don't exist.

That said, europe does have far less players, but that isn't new, and that ESA tournament still happened.

Edit: I've heard that Finland also has a surprsingly big community so I wouldn't be surprised if they could get more than those 12 people on the current interest list. Maybe compensate for all those american people we all know will flake, lol.

 

[KevinM]

Real talk I would go to #6

 

[tarheeljks]

Yeah, because all international players that travel to USA for tournaments are millionaires and never have to worry about not being able to afford something.

>_>

yes, i said such a thing. some people choosing to fork over the $ does not mean those who cannot or do not are "johning." no one knows the priorities or obligations of others


edit: i'm glad that there are players are willing to pay out the *** and travel. they deserve praise for doing so. that does not mean that those who do not travel are copping out

 

[Bing]

Just saying, the MK ban isnt going to change anything, maybe lower the attendance opf nationals because people have that big a hard-on for MK. Instead of changing characters, most will just attend MK legal tournament, the first one that comes to mind is Revival of Salt, Tournament in Whitby run by TO Joe.

Now I believe that Melee will stay strong, we might not have a major tournament within a few months, but so many regions are hosting locals, I think we'll be just fine.

 

[Thanos828]

Yeah, because all international players that travel to USA for tournaments are millionaires and never have to worry about not being able to afford something.

>_>

Everyone uses their own judgement for how to use their money. No one ever said that you guys didn't have to worry about the expenses. You can't look down on someone for not going to Europe because they have money issues and then say "Oh we have money issues too so that's not an excuse"

 

[Deleted member]

I want to go to Europe and mexico but money is hella gay

 

[Massive]

Also keep in mind that Americans get the least paid time off of all first-world countries in the world and the vast majority of us do not have passports.

No Johns

Traveling abroad is a pretty daunting proposition for the average smasher.

Would you want to fly out to the Midwestern United States to hang around with people you've mostly never heard of/met and play in a tournament that you are almost guaranteed not to win?
How about if you would possibly lose your job because of the amount of time it would take to actually go there and come back (look up at-will employment)?
What if you needed to wait 6 months and spend $150 to get a passport to even leave the country in the first place?
What if you're paying $15,000 a year for school and leaving for a week to go play video games in Europe basically means you're going to fail that semester?

These aren't even johns, they're actual barriers. Gigantic, cash devouring barriers. They're the same reasons most Americans rarely leave the US to begin with.

All that being said, I'd love to go play melee in Europe, but that could not be the only reason I'm in Europe to begin with.

 

[Beat!]

@tarheel/thanos

When Armada said that he maybe wasn't going to Apex after winning Genesis 2, because he wanted some americans to come over to Europe first now that he had won a tournament in USA, a ton of americans ****ing raged on him and practically said/implied that he was obliged to go there. A lot of those were basically saying that he was, in fact, "copping out".

So yeah, while what you say would normally be the case, in this case a lot of people have demanded and/or expected europeans/others to travel to the US, so I'm gonna do the same, either until someone actually gets here, or until everyone stops complaining like **** when Armada's considering not going.

I (and many others, I believe) would definitely be interested in donating if it's needed, and if someone would be down for it. I know PP is interested.

I just don't like the double standards.


@Massive
At some point I'm planning on going to USA for a tournament. Like you said, though, it wouldn't only be for smash.

"No Johns" was half joking. I'm not saying it's easy to get the money for such an expensive travel. But it's not undoable (and as I said, I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to donate).

 

[Bing]

I'd love to go to European tournament, I just cant afford it, and my job wont really allow it(I barely got away with going to Apex)

Its not fair really for Armada and the others to have to come here, I agree, we should also be heading over there...

 

[Beat!]

From the Smashers' Reunion thread:

hello put Javi and lazh on the list from Mexico plis :DD and ill try get more people to go and if one organizer can add me to facebook for more information....the nick is :Lazh Titino, from mexico...I would appreciate

Yeeaaahhh

 

[Bing]

Oh **** son, its goin down now.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Guys I'm sure Smashers Reunion will be great, and I'd love for everyone to go, but its pretty clear that there is a shortage of upcoming tournaments despite the record attendance set by APEX. We have the interest, we just don't have an event..

I think its pretty silly for everyone to be so selective with who the TO is when we don't have many people willing to do it in the first place. Its a thankless, stressful job. atm we have 3 major American TOs: Plank, Alex Strife, and Boback. Plank is banished, Alex says hes quitting, and Boback doesn't want to host Genesis 3.

Thats a problem.

 

[Iron Dragon]

Bad planning aside I would've loved to run more tournaments to help pay off the debt since I very obviously learned from my mistakes, but unfortunately the community is more concerned with trying to extract out of me money I do not have than working in a positive way to resolve the matterm (which would not have been hard).

P4 venue could've easily made a comeback.

Six years, one big mistake, bann3d FOR3V3R

****ING POUND 4 VENUE WOAH.

Someone let Plank hold Pound 6 if he's going to do it at that Pound 4 venue.

Pretty sure it worked out just fine and dandy not to mention it had 341 entrants.

 

[Bing]

I agree with Iron Dog, yeah he ****ed up.. but everyone deserves a second chance, especially if its trying to better the community as a whole...