Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[osby]

It seems you missed a vital three letter word in my post.

You can win every fight just by having fun.

 

[Opossum]

r/woooosh

Literally how is that a woosh lol.

 

[Gyrom8]

Ugh, I really hate what they're doing with the victory themes in this game. I'm a little scared for Shulk's now. The only footage I've seen of him winning has the pose get cut off before the theme ends.

Yeah - I get Sakurai wanting to speed things up in general, but you've gotta have a decent length theme to savour the victory.

Also not keen on the theme they chose for the Inklings but w/e, wasn't probably going to use them much anyways

 

[Will]

Literally how is that a woosh lol.

him losing is the joke
you were japed on purpose
surprise

 

[Deleted member]

I really don't want him in though, I don't know what other way you want me to drill it in. I could make a moveset for Ashley but I still never want her in.

Really the only character I need to worry about is Steve because I've gambled so much ego into him.

But the payoff will be worth it.

You can deny all you want, but in your soul you truly want Steve.

 

[dezeray112]

Woooooooooooooooooooo! That is AMAZING!

That was the best ad campaign I have seen for Smash Ultimate by far!

 

[Graizen]

Steve is the curious character here...

Other character like Sora are easy to imagine how he moves , attacks and even a Kirby form.

But for Steve? I wanna see how he moves, his attacks and everything else.

Thats the magic here.

 

[Will]

You can deny all you want, but in your soul you truly want Steve.

For the satisfaction of being right, yes. But as a character? Nah.

 

[GoeGoe]

What's the point of advertising 1st party games through DLC?
If they were base roster that's fine, but as DLC one can simply skip the download. It's like using an ad block XD

 

[Tako Tuesday]

I hate it when people say that Steve can't bring much to the table, when it's actually the exact opposite...
Here, let me make a pretty interesting move set with what Steve can offer...

Spoiler: Steve's possible specials and Final Smash (Longish)

It might be a bit ambitious, but I don't care

Alright kids sit down it's time for some theory crafting.

Basic thing to start off with is easily the moves.

N-: Pistons. Set it down and wait for someone (or a reflective projectile) to get sent flying in a certain direction. To activate it, you need to hit the pressure plate/button on the opposite end before triggering the piston. Before setting the piston, you can set which direction for it to be facing: up, down (in the air), left, or right. It will eventually disappear or be removed if a new one is placed.
S-: Minecart. Pretty simple. I'd say a mishmash of the Bullet Bill item and 's bike. First thing you have to do is set foot in it, which could be done by either Steve himself, an opponent, or an item. Once that is met, it sets off. It can't change direction, but it's fast and hits somewhat hard. Of course you need a set of minecart tracks, which I'd say have a set of a few units before the cart disappears, and immediately disappears if it gets off the ground no matter the distance. Can't be used as a recovery though because you can't set Minecarts in the air you dummy.
U-: Eye of Ender. Aim it and chuck it like it's Yoshi's Island. Wherever it lands, you go. It can hit enemies, so even if they telegraph it, they'll get hit so they won't be able to tackle you immediately.
D-: Splash Potions. Think of it like Holy Water, but instead of fire, you get various debuffs that last for a period of time. The most notrious one is the Splash Potion of Poison, which I suppose would have similar effects of poison to the upcoming , and the Splash Potions of Weakness and Slowness. I'd also consider the Potion of Decay, which inflicts Wither, a similar DPS like Poison that kills you (unlike Poison). But that'd be pretty broken unless it only kills you if you're already at 100%+, I suppose.

Something about the Pistons and Minecart, as with most crafted items, you can destroy them by attacking them. The same applies to these items.

This is taking a while to type so I'll probably do the attacks later since it takes way much more time.

I guess I should be more open-minded about new characters (even ones I don't particularly like) in the future. These are some neat ideas, and I'm glad you guys took the time to create these.

 

[Potato_]

Alright kids sit down it's time for some theory crafting.

Basic thing to start off with is easily the moves.

N-: Pistons. Set it down and wait for someone (or a reflective projectile) to get sent flying in a certain direction. To activate it, you need to hit the pressure plate/button on the opposite end before triggering the piston. Before setting the piston, you can set which direction for it to be facing: up, down (in the air), left, or right. It will eventually disappear or be removed if a new one is placed.
S-: Minecart. Pretty simple. I'd say a mishmash of the Bullet Bill item and 's bike. First thing you have to do is set foot in it, which could be done by either Steve himself, an opponent, or an item. Once that is met, it sets off. It can't change direction, but it's fast and hits somewhat hard. Of course you need a set of minecart tracks, which I'd say have a set of a few units before the cart disappears, and immediately disappears if it gets off the ground no matter the distance. Can't be used as a recovery though because you can't set Minecarts in the air you dummy.
U-: Eye of Ender. Aim it and chuck it like it's Yoshi's Island. Wherever it lands, you go. It can hit enemies, so even if they telegraph it, they'll get hit so they won't be able to tackle you immediately.
D-: Splash Potions. Think of it like Holy Water, but instead of fire, you get various debuffs that last for a period of time. The most notrious one is the Splash Potion of Poison, which I suppose would have similar effects of poison to the upcoming , and the Splash Potions of Weakness and Slowness. I'd also consider the Potion of Decay, which inflicts Wither, a similar DPS like Poison that kills you (unlike Poison). But that'd be pretty broken unless it only kills you if you're already at 100%+, I suppose.

Something about the Pistons and Minecart, as with most crafted items, you can destroy them by attacking them. The same applies to these items.

This is taking a while to type so I'll probably do the attacks later since it takes way much more time.

Not bad, specifically I like the inclusion of both Pistons and Potions which I never see people include when talking about him.

Only problem I can see is with recovery. You're gonna need to throw that Eye a long way to recover properly. Also from what you describe I can imagine people throwing themselves in front of the Eye to gimp you. Maybe make it so that if it hits an enemy you teleport to them?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Yeah - I get Sakurai wanting to speed things up in general, but you've gotta have a decent length theme to savour the victory.

Also not keen on the theme they chose for the Inklings but w/e, wasn't probably going to use them much anyways

Too slow, too fast, sometimes you just can't win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC-avN1eDoQ

Smash gameplay balancing in a nutshell.

I guess I should be more open-minded about new characters (even ones I don't particularly like) in the future. These are some neat ideas, and I'm glad you guys took the time to create these.

The best aspect I can see in such a situation is that it opens the door for other Western TPs to get in in the future. When you start at the bottom, it can only go up from there.

 

[Deleted member]

For the satisfaction of being right, yes. But as a character? Nah.

“guys i-it’s just for the satisfaction of being right, i dont actually want steve haha”
This is an accepting environment, be honest with us.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Woooooooooooooooooooo! That is AMAZING!

Pit and Inkling Girl proving to be a young bad***es is amazing as usual

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

“guys i-it’s just for the satisfaction of being right, i dont actually want steve haha”
This is an accepting environment, be honest with us.

I don't even WANT want him, but I still think he would be cool. His moveset would probably show off a lot of things that you can do in Minecraft, and the stage itself might be really cool, as long as it isn't just a grassy field lol. Like if it transitions to the underground and maybe the Nether and stuff it would be lit as hell. Creeper hazards etc

 

[ZephyrZ]

What's the point of advertising 1st party games through DLC?
If they were base roster that's fine, but as DLC one can simply skip the download. It's like using an ad block XD

That's why they're going to make the characters appealing in moveset and design, so that you feel like you're missing out if you don't get them.

That's also why I'm not all that worried at the possibility of advertisement DLC. An ad can still be enjoyable if done properly.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Half bored, half procrastinating, I've decided to rate each character based on their alts! Now this will only be a scale from 0-3. 0 is something has gone terribly wrong, 1-2 is ok or an improvement, but something still isn't right, and 3 is perfect/good variation and references. Alright here we go!

Spoiler: Spoiler'd because this is going to be way too long

Man was that a lot. But it was fun! I'd love to hear people's thoughts or ideas on alts that they wish were in the game. It was really nice to go through and see just how many cool alts are in though.

 

[Deleted member]

For the satisfaction of being right, yes. But as a character? Nah.

I legit want Steve.

More than Banjo, actually.

 

[GoeGoe]

That's why they're going to make the characters appealing in moveset and design, so that you feel like you're missing out if you don't get them.
That's also why I'm not all that worried at the possibility of advertisement DLC. An ad can still be enjoyable if done properly.

I wonder how appealing a new FE character would be? I didn't DL Corrin in 4.
I guess Steve is meant to appeal for MC fans not Smash core fans.

 

[Iridium]

To be honest, the main thing B&K fans have going for them would be nostalgia, and that doesn't really seem to be going anywhere right now. I feel bad for them, since it's like they're trapped in purgatory.

 

[lightdrago]

I legit want Steve.

More than Banjo, actually.

Same here. Seems we are a rare kind.

i really dont care for banjo man i want steve

 

[Deleted member]

To be honest, the main thing B&K fans have going for them would be nostalgia, and that doesn't really seem to be going anywhere right now.

...
Really?

You might want to think that over, just saying.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

>people genuinely wanting Steve
You know, knowing this board's luck at affecting causality, something tells me we'll probably have neither him nor Banjo, and just wind up with someone completely different.

To be honest, the main thing B&K fans have going for them would be nostalgia, and that doesn't really seem to be going anywhere right now. I feel bad for them, since it's like they're trapped in purgatory.

At least Microsoft and Rare are still around. I don't know what'll happen to Earthworm Jim.

 

[Will]

“guys i-it’s just for the satisfaction of being right, i dont actually want steve haha”
This is an accepting environment, be honest with us.

I really don't, though. The Microsoft characters I want are the Chief and Fulgore.

I legit want Steve.

More than Banjo, actually.

ok

Not bad, specifically I like the inclusion of both Pistons and Potions which I never see people include when talking about him.

Only problem I can see is with recovery. You're gonna need to throw that Eye a long way to recover properly. Also from what you describe I can imagine people throwing themselves in front of the Eye to gimp you. Maybe make it so that if it hits an enemy you teleport to them?

No, it doesn't work like the boomerang, it works like the boomerang and goes through the enemy through a stun that make them stop moving once they hit them.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I legit want Steve.

More than Banjo, actually.

Oh hey, me too
I thought I was the only one

 

[Opossum]

I wonder how appealing a new FE character would be? I didn't DL Corrin in 4.
I guess Steve is meant to appeal for MC fans not Smash core fans.

Does "a spellcaster who casts magic without a tome at the cost of her health, with higher health forfeiture leading to higher damage output, who specializes in fire and light magic" sound good to you?

 

[Iridium]

...
Really?

You might want to think that over, just saying.

I'm good. Not even gonna bother comparing this to anything else.

 

[Deleted member]

I legit want Steve.

More than Banjo, actually.

Same here. Seems we are a rare kind.

i really dont care for banjo man i want steve

Oh hey, me too
I thought I was the only one

Have you all lost your minds
(jk, jk, y'all are welcome to your opinions)

 

[Luigi The President]

...
Really?

You might want to think that over, just saying.

Simon, from Castlevania, which is still thriving, and has an anime series, and a remaster of games coming out had...a LOT more than nostalgia

 

[Will]

...
Really?

You might want to think that over, just saying.

>Simon
>when Castlevania and Simon haven't been dead for a substantial amount of time

>K. Rool
>a first party and en masse demand from across the world

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Does "a spellcaster who casts magic without a tome at the cost of her health, with higher health forfeiture leading to higher damage output, who specializes in fire and light magic" sound good to you?

Not without Alm...they’re a package and we can’t disrespect him like he’s Chrom (who gets to take all the disrespect)

 

[GoeGoe]

I think Banjo fans might have a shot.. based on one thing.
If coming up with a move set for Steve turns out to be a bit troublesome, then Sakurai will make the call here, not Nintendo.
Going for Banjo would be the logical easier way. Pray for that Banjo fans XD

Also, does anyone know from which game this girl is?

 

[Luigi The President]

>people genuinely wanting Steve
You know, knowing this board's luck at affecting causality, something tells me we'll probably have neither him nor Banjo, and just wind up with someone completely different.



At least Microsoft and Rare are still around. I don't know what'll happen to Earthworm Jim.

O-Oh no!! We'll get Master Chief!!!

(i want chief so badly)

I think Banjo fans might have a shot.. based on one thing.
If coming up with a move set for Steve turns out to be a bit troublesome, then Sakurai will make the call here, not Nintendo.
Going for Banjo would be the logical easier way. Pray for that Banjo fans XD

Also, does anyone know from which game this girl is?

Sakurai, who made a ****ing PIRANHA PLANT DLC, is known for going the easy way

 

[Will]

Does "a spellcaster who casts magic without a tome at the cost of her health, with higher health forfeiture leading to higher damage output, who specializes in fire and light magic" sound good to you?

I mean, Gharnef is clearly a guy but whatever.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

>people genuinely wanting Steve
You know, knowing this board's luck at affecting causality, something tells me we'll probably have neither him nor Banjo, and just wind up with someone completely different.



At least Microsoft and Rare are still around. I don't know what'll happen to Earthworm Jim.

watch as the direct starts with this piece of music

 

[Nekoo]

Yo- Did that random Chrom Counter killed at 98~116% against Simon's F-tilt when Chrom was only at 60~% almost mid-stage?
Wtf?

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

I really don't, though. The Microsoft characters I want are the Chief and Fulgore.

Fulgore would be pretty great actually.

 

[Potato_]

No, it doesn't work like the boomerang, it works like the boomerang and goes through the enemy through a stun that make them stop moving once they hit them.

I see. Then I think it's alright. Not a great recovery but it'll work fine.

 

[Will]

Yo- Did that random Chrom Counter killed at 98~116% against Simon's F-tilt when Chrom was only at 60~% almost mid-stage?
Wtf?

Give the thanks to Roy's genes, not Chrom.

 

[Deleted member]

>Simon
>when Castlevania and Simon haven't been dead for a substantial amount of time

>K. Rool
>a first party and en masse demand from across the world

I'm just saying that a fair bit of what those two had going for them is the nostalgia, or at least it seems that way. I didn't really want Simon, and that's probably because I wasn't even born when Castlevania was popular.