Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[NineS]

Watch it be Sephiroth and really put everyone on their toes.

You really want people on there toes?

Have Bahamut.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

More than just a few people were still expecting him though, just because the demand for him was so overwhelming, the only surprising thing about his inclusion was the timing of it and how it didn't leak.

Out of all the confirmed newcomers, he and Isabelle were the only characters to rank within the top 10 most likely characters in the Rate Their Chance thread pre-E3.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Literally who?

Spoiler

Why does he have Papyrus chained to his but?

Damnit I can’t unsee that now

Spoiler

its actually Sans /s

 

[Ren Amamiya]

This guy here would like a word with you all:

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Aye, I'd not be opposed to that whatsoever.
TWEWY is the best DS game I've played, to be perfectly honest.

 

[beans]

This guy here would like a word with you all:

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Neku is so impossible, but I want to cling in the hope of Final Remix being a reason for Square to put him in

 

[ErenJager]

My Predictions.

Skull Kid - Reoccurring boss type encounter in Spirits slowly becomes Majora's Wraith and Incarnation. Or if we still havent seen Young Link's final Smash, maybe it incorporates Skull Kid in some way.. Ala Diety vs Majora.

Shadow - Either an assist trophy or a sub boss that you'd have some sort of event match against in Spirits Mode. Probably a race to the finish or a race of some sort.

Isaac - Was removed after Brawl, I think he's forgotten about entirely. Maybe we'll get a DLC pack for missing AT's and he'll be apart of it.

Waddle Dee - I'm thinking assist trophy that throws food to replace Isabelle. Or a trash mob in Spirits Mode.

Black Knight - Questionable about ever appearing on Castleseige. If it was him, probably a Spirits boss fight.

Dixie Kong - Diddy probably still has alt colors based on her, we just havent seen it yet.

 

[Zinith]

You really want people on there toes?

Have Bahamut.

Damn, I like that

 

[Idon]

Neku Sakuraba just for the music.

WE NEED A 46TH TWISTER REMIX RIGHT NOW.

 

[Shroob]

Next week puts us under 50 days.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Lara Croft

Finnaly someone with some sense

The only thing I enjoyed about PS All Stars Battle Royale was seeing my boy Parrappa holding a bazooka. I’ve never laughed harder.

We just don't speak about how Kratos (a guy who destroyed gods) could play on the same level as a rapping dog and an obese princess.

Literally who?

Spoiler

Why does he have Papyrus chained to his but?

Thanks for that... Interesting image...

 

[Mariomaniac45213]

And all because of Nintendo! Because Nintendo wouldn't let Retro Studios use him for the new DKC games!!!!

Hopefully K. Rool's popularity and appearing after a decade gives them second thoughts making him and the Kremlings the final baddies in an supposed final trilogy to the new DKC games.

Yeah SUPER frustrating because Nintendo thought no one liked K.Rool and said he wasn't "fresh enough" and they LAUGHED at the idea of crocodiles being enemies to DK again in Returns. Nintendo was trying to be "Tim the tool-man Taylor" and fix something that DIDN'T need fixing. My theory is that once PAON took control of the franchise in 2005 and cranked out "hits" like King of Swing, Jungle Climber, and Barrel Blast in 2007. They FAILED to meet sales expectations all selling pretty ****tily. They said to themselves "I wonder why these AMAZING 10/10 masterpieces didn't sell? I thought DK fans liked ****ty Mario Kart spin-offs and weird clu clu land peg swinging games? No it can't be the quality of the games it must be because of K.Rool and the Kremlings! Let's REMOVE them and start again!" 3 years later...enter Retro Studios to create a new DK game fans actually wanted but Nintendo was so dumb that they told Retro to create new enemies and the "damage" was already done. DKCR went onto sell 6 million copies so Nintendo must've thought they were right by removing K.Rool/Kremlings because CLEARLY they were cause of poor DK sales and not the fact that the PAON developed games were mediocre at best...enter 2013, Tropical Freeze is released with still no K.Rool and Kremlings to be found and instead we get Lord Fredrick who is a "King K. Nockoff"

 

[Ren Amamiya]

WE NEED A 46TH TWISTER REMIX RIGHT NOW.

Ok, I really want Neku now.
Sakurai pls

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Pretty sure the leak was debunked, Pichu’s ear is clipping.

Even if that pic is fake, I honestly would be surprised if Ken didn't make it as an echo of Ryu. He's the most obvious choice for that treatment.

I'm still remaining skeptical about the others though.

 

[Noipoi]

Yeah SUPER frustrating because Nintendo thought no one liked K.Rool and said he wasn't "fresh enough" and they LAUGHED at the idea of crocodiles being enemies to DK again in Returns. Nintendo was trying to be "Tim the tool-man Taylor" and fix something that DIDN'T need fixing. My theory is that once PAON took control of the franchise in 2005 and cranked out "hits" like King of Swing, Jungle Climber, and Barrel Blast in 2007. They FAILED to meet sales expectations all selling pretty ****tily. They said to themselves "I wonder why these AMAZING 10/10 masterpieces didn't sell? I thought DK fans liked ****ty Mario Kart spin-offs and weird clu clu land peg swinging games? No it can't be the quality of the games it must be because of K.Rool and the Kremlings! Let's REMOVE them and start again!" 3 years later...enter Retro Studios to create a new DK game fans actually wanted but Nintendo was so dumb that they told Retro to create new enemies and the "damage" was already done. DKCR went onto sell 6 million copies so Nintendo must've thought they were right by removing K.Rool/Kremlings because CLEARLY they were cause of poor DK sales and not the fact that the PAON developed games were mediocre at best...enter 2013, Tropical Freeze is released with still no K.Rool and Kremlings to be found and instead we get Lord Fredrick who is a "King K. Nockoff"

...
You alright buddy?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Yeah SUPER frustrating because Nintendo thought no one liked K.Rool and said he wasn't "fresh enough" and they LAUGHED at the idea of crocodiles being enemies to DK again in Returns. Nintendo was trying to be "Tim the tool-man Taylor" and fix something that DIDN'T need fixing. My theory is that once PAON took control of the franchise in 2005 and cranked out "hits" like King of Swing, Jungle Climber, and Barrel Blast in 2007. They FAILED to meet sales expectations all selling pretty ****tily. They said to themselves "I wonder why these AMAZING 10/10 masterpieces didn't sell? I thought DK fans liked ****ty Mario Kart spin-offs and weird clu clu land peg swinging games? No it can't be the quality of the games it must be because of K.Rool and the Kremlings! Let's REMOVE them and start again!" 3 years later...enter Retro Studios to create a new DK game fans actually wanted but Nintendo was so dumb that they told Retro to create new enemies and the "damage" was already done. DKCR went onto sell 6 million copies so Nintendo must've thought they were right by removing K.Rool/Kremlings because CLEARLY they were cause of poor DK sales and not the fact that the PAON developed games were mediocre at best...enter 2013, Tropical Freeze is released with still no K.Rool and Kremlings to be found and instead we get Lord Fredrick who is a "King K. Nockoff"

At this point I feel K. Rool being in Ultimate is foreshadowing his return to the DK series.

 

[MysticKnives]

Gotta get into that Smash spirit.

OGs rule! Smash had such humble beginnings. The wacky and cartoonish nature, the comic book style. The somewhat darker tones of the game with the eerie music after Master Hand’s defeat. Just an all around fun game with my favorite version of FD and BF. Heck, this game even had Meta Crystal, with its sick music to go with it.

Can never stress enough how grateful I am for 64 giving me Ness, Falcon, and Puff. Timing couldn’t have been more perfect. With almost 20 years now, these three are considered Smash staples at this point. I wouldn’t have it any other way. Now coming into Ultimate, I’m excited as ever to play them once again. Here’s to hoping they stick around for as long as the series goes on

 

[beans]

Neku Sakuraba just for the music.

WE NEED A 46TH TWISTER REMIX RIGHT NOW.

No it will be 50th, oh wait I mean 52th-- 5- the number is ever growing and the demand is infinite

 

[Pazzo.]

...
You alright buddy?

The wait did some things to us.

 

[Pyra]

Gimme a Dragon Quest XI character as dlc pls

 

[Zinith]

Gotta get into that Smash spirit.

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OGs rule! Smash had such humble beginnings. The wacky and cartoonish nature, the comic book style. The somewhat darker tones of the game with the eerie music after Master Hand’s defeat. Just an all around fun game with my favorite version of FD and BF. Heck, this game even had Meta Crystal, with its sick music to go with it.

Can never stress enough how grateful I am for 64 giving me Ness, Falcon, and Puff. Timing couldn’t have been more perfect. With almost 20 years now, these three are considered Smash staples at this point. I wouldn’t have it any other way. Now coming into Ultimate, I’m excited as ever to play them once again. Here’s to hoping they stick around for as long as the series goes on

Even in fanart Luigi has to be **** on...

 

[WaddleMatt]

At this point I feel K. Rool being in Ultimate is foreshadowing his return to the DK series.

Wasn't there something heard about this actually happening after they realised his popularity?

 

[Ren Amamiya]

The wait did some things to us.

The godlike remix of Gangplank Galleon made all the wait worth it, if you ask me.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Wasn't there something heard about this actually happening after they realised his popularity?

If that's the case, that makes it all the better then that it might be true.

 

[RandomAce]

Actually, what's interesting about the datamines is we did actually have information on all the DLC characters to begin with. Or most of them. I think it was just Roy and Ryu, but not Lucas. We actually had a proper datamine that indicated files for Cloud, Bayonetta, and Corrin to begin with. The people who datamined it didn't release the information to keep it a surprise(especially due to the previous one ruining a lot of it for the first trio of DLC fighters). They released the data later.

Sakurai had the data added early on in both cases. I hope he uses more placeholder files in the future. Of course, it still tells us stuff, but at least not who, which helps... a bit.

Also, the TWEWY thing? Cool Smash reference, but beyond that, I wouldn't expect Nekuu in Smash either way. Geno easily has a one-up on him, though he's the only actual SE-owned character that is easy to get. Sora is Disney, and Slime would still take more than one company to get(possibly less companies than the various DQ Heroes, but that depends who designed all the various monsters and such).

So you’re telling me that the entire DLC roster was datamined, but the reason why the rest weren’t leaked is because you guys wanted to keep it a surprise? Those are some of the few most considerate people in the community.

 

[MysticKnives]

Even in fanart Luigi has to be **** on...

I feel ya man. It’s just how it is. Fan art and official Nintendo products (August Direct) has my dude in green taking the L

 

[TheCJBrine]

Predictions:

Skull Kid is not a boss because it doesn't make sense, and if he's a boss you'd think he could also be part of the Moon assist.

Kencineroar are playable.

Geno is either in base or is the first DLC character, maybe with another SE character alongside him or that one is in base.

Minecraft.

 

[Noipoi]

Even in fanart Luigi has to be **** on...

It's his lot in life.

The eternal understudy, stuck in his Brother's shadow.

Forever and always, Player Two.

 

[Pyra]

Skull Kid is not a boss because it doesn't make sense.

Why doesn't it make sense lol

Not to mention he could be both, anyone could be both, and boss battles can be similar to normal smash fights

 

[Mariomaniac45213]

...
You alright buddy?

Yes I'm fine just wanted to drop a history lesson on all you young whippersnappers!

 

[Zinith]

It's his lot in life.

The eternal understudy, stuck in his Brother's shadow.

Forever and always, Player Two.

Actually an even more odd choice in that pic was depicting Kirby in mid-stone transformation in the background. Even my boi takes up more space...

 

[TheCJBrine]

Why doesn't it make sense lol

Not to mention he could be both, anyone could be both, and boss battles can be similar to normal smash fights

He could be a boss if it's like Metal Mario or a Melee-type adventure mode, but I just think it doesn't make sense because you didn't fight him in Majora's Mask.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Besides it could be we fight Majora itself rather then Skull Kid as a boss.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

My Predictions.

Skull Kid - Reoccurring boss type encounter in Spirits slowly becomes Majora's Wraith and Incarnation. Or if we still havent seen Young Link's final Smash, maybe it incorporates Skull Kid in some way.. Ala Diety vs Majora.

Shadow - Either an assist trophy or a sub boss that you'd have some sort of event match against in Spirits Mode. Probably a race to the finish or a race of some sort.

Isaac - Was removed after Brawl, I think he's forgotten about entirely. Maybe we'll get a DLC pack for missing AT's and he'll be apart of it.

Waddle Dee - I'm thinking assist trophy that throws food to replace Isabelle. Or a trash mob in Spirits Mode.

Black Knight - Questionable about ever appearing on Castleseige. If it was him, probably a Spirits boss fight.

Dixie Kong - Diddy probably still has alt colors based on her, we just havent seen it yet.

Regarding Waddle Dee - I believe the Chef from Kirby is meant to be Isabelle's replacement.

I think it's very likely at this point Waddle Dee just doesn't appear, hopefully joining as a dlc fighter due to his popularity in Japan.

 

[MysticKnives]

It's his lot in life.

The eternal understudy, stuck in his Brother's shadow.

Forever and always, Player Two.

He’s player one in my heart. Not to mention, he’s apart of the secret four club. He, Ness, Jiggs, and the good Captain all get to do the cool things that the OG 8 can’t be as as OG unlockables, they’re not required to be around to fight yet. They can just chill.

 

[AugustusB]

My predictions:
Ken and Incineroar get removed from base game because Sakurai is like 'Why you spoil my game!? No more fun!"

Actual Predictions:
I feel 5 is (probably) what we could have left.

Ken (Echo)
Shadow (Echo)
Incineroar
Banjo & Kazooie (Microsoft is possibly in)
Geno (SE rep, plus sticking to the this is a game for the fans)

 

[WaddleMatt]

Regarding Waddle Dee - I believe the Chef from Kirby is meant to be Isabelle's replacement.

I think it's very likely at this point Waddle Dee just doesn't appear, hopefully joining as a dlc fighter due to his popularity in Japan.

I want to like this post for the first part, but I can't because of the second. Tough choices...

 

[PeridotGX]

Any reason people have given up on Bandana Dee? A lot of people I see, even his fans. say he has little chance. I don't get it, I still find him very likely. He's huge in Japan and still has a decent fanbase in NA, making him a reverse Ridley.

 

[ErenJager]

Predictions:

Skull Kid is not a boss because it doesn't make sense, and if he's a boss you'd think he could also be part of the Moon assist.

Kencineroar are playable.

Geno is either in base or is the first DLC character, maybe with another SE character alongside him or that one is in base.

Minecraft.

It doesn't make sense a character that progressively morphs into the final boss of majora's mask for N64 could be used as a boss in Smash?

It's certainly viable.

Heck even plausible considering there is not many characters left according to Sakurai. What other roles does he have left to fulfill if he isnt playable? His AT is seemingly replaced. The next meaningful role after playable and AT is a boss.

 

[Polan]

Yeah SUPER frustrating because Nintendo thought no one liked K.Rool and said he wasn't "fresh enough" and they LAUGHED at the idea of crocodiles being enemies to DK again in Returns. Nintendo was trying to be "Tim the tool-man Taylor" and fix something that DIDN'T need fixing. My theory is that once PAON took control of the franchise in 2005 and cranked out "hits" like King of Swing, Jungle Climber, and Barrel Blast in 2007. They FAILED to meet sales expectations all selling pretty ****tily. They said to themselves "I wonder why these AMAZING 10/10 masterpieces didn't sell? I thought DK fans liked ****ty Mario Kart spin-offs and weird clu clu land peg swinging games? No it can't be the quality of the games it must be because of K.Rool and the Kremlings! Let's REMOVE them and start again!" 3 years later...enter Retro Studios to create a new DK game fans actually wanted but Nintendo was so dumb that they told Retro to create new enemies and the "damage" was already done. DKCR went onto sell 6 million copies so Nintendo must've thought they were right by removing K.Rool/Kremlings because CLEARLY they were cause of poor DK sales and not the fact that the PAON developed games were mediocre at best...enter 2013, Tropical Freeze is released with still no K.Rool and Kremlings to be found and instead we get Lord Fredrick who is a "King K. Nockoff"

why are you randomly capitalizing words?

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Boshi "deserves" to get in because Yoshi "needs" a foil

Boshi is the SE rep Verg is talking about

Square Enix: ''So Mr. Sakurai, you want a new SE rep in smash?''

Sakurai: '' Yup ''

Square: ''Ok then, Geno? Terra? Sephiroth?''

Sakurai: ''Actually we want Boshi''

Square: ''It's going to cost you a lot of m... .. wait... I... you wa... what the hell is a Boshi?''