Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Luigi The President]

I understand the point of view, and both point of view are right.

In the end, that characters will probably stay secret until announcement, but at the very least, neither """side"""" (I say side, because in the end, I keep repeating it, I just want another Square-Enix characters) shouldn't be surprised if IT IS Geno, or IF IT IS NOT Geno.
We just know that this characters exist, whoever it is.

After Schrödinger's cat, welcome to Schrödinger's Geno Theory.

Won't be surprised. But will be disappointed.

Don't really care who we get if not Geno. Not Geno, not gonna be happy about it. I'm sure this sounds selfish, but I don't feel bad for not caring for the companies other choices.

If Geno isn't in base, they may add him as DLC so Square or Nintendo can gauge his popularity.

They already understand his popularity, Sakurai has come out and said he's damn popular with fans

 

[TMNTSSB4]

My boi can probably eat the phazon and not be affected (and Kirby too) because my boi can eat anything

I don’t think Yoshi will be allowed to eat anything until he’s done with his taxes

 

[NineS]

Don’t worry I haven’t forgotten, but being forced to live together could be a good way to make them have a better relationship than Samus has with Ridley

plus, there's also the fact dark samus is essentially a sentient metroid
who samus has wiped out

 

[TheCJBrine]

They already understand his popularity, Sakurai has come out and said he's damn popular with fans

Yeah I'm not thinking; I forgot he said he get's a lot of requests, and I actually assume he did.

I don't think we should doubt his popularity; I just goofed.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

plus, there's also the fact dark samus is essentially a sentient metroid
who samus has wiped out

they’ll...they’ll do the best they can to keep that in the history books

 

[Pyra]

I made an offhand comment to Grant Kirkhope about wanting Grunty in as the "codec call" for Banjo's inclusion and he liked it haha
I'm sure a lot of people would think that's cool. Would love to hear a remix of a Kirkhope track

 

[Noipoi]

Don’t worry I haven’t forgotten, but being forced to live together could be a good way to make them have a better relationship than Samus has with Ridley

Master Hand has a strict no co-ed rule when it comes to rooms.
He doesn't want a repeat of what happened when Lucina and Robin were stuck in a room together...

 

[Iridium]

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You all can take a guess at what the Bayonetta nerf here is. This, I've haven't seen be a problem before today.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Master Hand has a strict no co-ed rule when it comes to rooms.
He doesn't want a repeat of what happened when Lucina and Robin were stuck in a room together...

But he made an exception for and ..., and as long as they didn’t have Morgan be born the co-ed rule should be fine

 

[Deleted member]

a remix of a Kirkhope track

I just wish the DK Rap kept the Lanky and Chunky bits this time around. There was barely justification for it in Smash 4, but with the supposed improved compression they've got for audio now, it's completely inexcusable.

Or just give me a new DK Rap arrangement. I only have 20 different DK Raps in Smash 4, I can always use more DK Raps.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So whose a character that you want despite no one really wanting them.

Forme it'd be Leon Powalski. How I feel the Kirby roster isn't complete without Bandana Dee I feel the same with the StarFox roster since Leon would be Falco's answer as Wolf is to Fox. It would perfectly balance it.

 

[Noipoi]

But he made an exception for and ...

Bowser woul've jumped at the opportunity to share a room with Peach, but then he found out he'd have to share with Mario too.
He decided to just bunk with Junior and the Koopalings instead...

 

[Deleted member]

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You all can take a guess at what the Bayonetta nerf here is. This, I've never seen be a problem before today.

Here's the whole match if you're interested:

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

I just wish the DK Rap kept the Lanky and Chunky bits this time around. There was barely justification for it in Smash 4, but with the supposed improved compression they've got for audio now, it's completely inexcusable.

Or just give me a new DK Rap arrangement. I only have 20 different DK Raps in Smash 4, I can always use more DK Raps.

Have you ever asked yourself "How many DK Raps is too much?".

 

[NineS]

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You all can take a guess at what the Bayonetta nerf here is. This, I've never seen be a problem before today.

I'm sorry, she launched Snake at 159% near the top of the screen, and it didn't kill him?
Sakurai, you glorious mad man, what did you do to Bayonetta?

Does that combo not kill anymore?

 

[Deleted member]

Have you ever asked yourself "How many DK Raps is too much?".

The answer is 40, and that's because Smash 4's stages can fit a maximum of 40 songs on them.

 

[Zinith]

So whose a character that you want despite no one really wanting them.

Foe me it'd be Leon Powalski. How I feel the Kirby roster isn't complete without Bandana Dee I feel the same with the StarFox roster since Leon would be Falco's answer as Wolf is to Fox. It would perfectly balance it.

Spoken like a true scal-- I mean reptile enthusiast

Anyways, mine needs no explanation...

 

[Iridium]

Here's the whole match if you're interested:

Yep. Even went on this channel a week ago, if I remember correctly. I'm desperate to find interesting things to show off, really.

 

[Pyra]

I just wish the DK Rap kept the Lanky and Chunky bits this time around. There was barely justification for it in Smash 4, but with the supposed improved compression they've got for audio now, it's completely inexcusable.

Or just give me a new DK Rap arrangement. I only have 20 different DK Raps in Smash 4, I can always use more DK Raps.

I've got SiIvagunner to turn to when the time comes to satisfy that need.

 

[NineS]

Yep. Even went on this channel a week ago, if I remember correctly. I'm desperate to find interesting things to show off, really.

This is honestly really interesting to me.
It goes to show how far Sakurai might've gone to nerf Bayonetta after what happened in E3. (Ridley died for our sins, and his sacrifice will result in slaying the witch.)

 

[Iridium]

There's also this match.

I've talked about how good Tweek is already (Zack is too), but take a guess at how this goes.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

At this point these characters seem to be my most current wants.

Banjo-Kazooie
Black Shadow
Elma
Leon Powalski
Medusa
Nightmare (Soulcalibur)

 

[Deleted member]

I've got SiIvagunner to turn to when the time comes to satisfy that need.

Already got most of the DK Raps from him that are usable as fight music. I'm just missing the Ocean Man one.

 

[RandomAce]

I'm sorry, she launched Snake at 159% near the top of the screen, and it didn't kill him?
Sakurai, you glorious mad man, what did you do to Bayonetta?

Does that combo not kill anymore?

Apparently someone in the comment said they tried calculating everything about Snake, DI, and the combo damage and knock back, and apparently it’s a 39% difference.

That’s a massive nerf. She can’t rely to the top combos anymore.

 

[Noipoi]

So can we safely say ding dong the Witch is dead! or is it still too early?

 

[Pyra]

Already got most of the DK Raps from him that are usable as fight music. I'm just missing the Ocean Man one.

And of course, I'll probably be including this gem.

 

[NineS]

Apparently someone in the comment said they tried calculating everything about Snake, DI, and the combo damage and knock back, and apparently it’s a 39% difference.

That’s a massive nerf. She can’t rely to the top combos anymore.

This was the comment.

This is amazing. Best news I've heard since August. I'm sorry, I'm happy Isabelle's in, but you have to get someone outrageous into smash to top Bayonetta being nerfed like this to me.

 

[Deleted member]

So are the builds they currently touring with not the E3 build? I thought they were just reusing the E3 build this whole time.

 

[Zinith]

She still has other aspects that make her effective, right?

 

[TheCJBrine]

There's this cool storyboard someone made for a Geno & Skull Kid reveal:

Also, the wicked witch was nerfed? nice >:] (I don't really care either way but sounds good for competitive people)

 

[ZephyrZ]

Alright, confession time: I just went against everything I said and preordered Let's Go Evee. It's doing a lot of things that upset, baffle and sometimes even anger me, but at the end of the day, I think I'm going to still enjoy my time with it. I'm still not going to defend it's flaws however.

I'm not getting the Pokeball+ either, but I might change my mind if it turns out to be compatible with Pokemon 2019.

So can we safely say ding dong the Witch is dead! or is it still too early?

That's like declaring Diddy dead because the Hoo-hah stopped killing. I doubt she'll be bad, but maybe she'll actually have to try in order to get kills now.

Here's to hoping her Back Air got nerfed as well. She'd be so much less frustrating to fight if she had to rely on those risky Smash Attacks to kill.

 

[Deleted member]

Bayo potentially being nerfed into the ground is excellent news IMO. I may not be a huge competitive Smash player, but I've heard of the horror stories and even watched a few clips, and a lot of her stuff in Smash 4 just looks plain gross. I'm happy to see Sakurai is taking the feedback to heart and is aiming to change some things.

 

[Nekoo]

She still has other aspects that make her effective, right?

Yeah, you can still get ****ed for doing a simple d-tilt/Jab to space with her witch-time which is still pretty dumb for the Risk/Reward ratio
However, Bat-within is now almost a lenience with the new dodge/ ESPECIALLY air-dodge mechanics for her

 

[monadoboy]

I just saw the new ad for Zeraora in GameStop/TCG and I want them even more. I can't help but imagine Zeraora playing like a Wolf/Pikachu/Sheik hybrid and that sounds hype as hell

Ridley, Dark Samus, and Ganondorf are the only exceptions to separations

Everyone else have to share rooms together (gonna be awkward for and maybe )

Three versions of Samus in the same room...oh my (is that even too bad of a thing now that I think about it)

These kinda talks remind me of a very weird pre-Smash 4 dream I had that Gharnef was revealed as a newcomer and Marth ragequitted from the roster...

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, you can still get ****ed for doing a simple d-tilt/Jab to space with her witch-time which is still pretty dumb for the Risk/Reward ratio
However, Bat-within is now almost a lenience with the new dodge/ ESPECIALLY air-dodge mechanics

Witch Time always should've functioned like how the parry does, in that the duration of the time slow is dependent on the attack used.

 

[Pyra]

Update on my conversation.

Bottles for boss fight, Sakurai, please

 

[Nekoo]

Witch Time always should've functioned like how the parry does, in that the duration of the time slow is dependent on the attack used.

Exactly, and it still pisses me off to this day, to get chees'd because you throw a simple spacing move... Should have been attack dependent, but who knows how hard it is to implement.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Bowser woul've jumped at the opportunity to share a room with Peach, but then he found out he'd have to share with Mario too.
He decided to just bunk with Junior and the Koopalings instead...

Bowser just turns into Bowsette and they both force Peach to sleep on the ground

 

[TheCJBrine]

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Update on my conversation.

Bottles for boss fight, Sakurai, please

Well, they were planning a Devil Bottles mode for the second player before it was scrapped in Banjo-Tooie

 

[Deleted member]

So can we safely say ding dong the Witch is dead! or is it still too early?

We won't know for sure until the game launches, unfortunately. Right now we can only hope things keep going in the right direction.

On the bright side, this game will probably be supported by Nintendo for way longer thanks to the success of the Switch, so I imagine balance patches will be very prevalent. I'm not too worried about seeing another Bayonetta.