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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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CosmicQuark

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Don't forget Incineroar's echo, Macho Man Randy Savage.


Are you talking about exclusively in the base game?
Yeah, as I feel it's still early for me to speculate on DLC. Obviously we won't get 9 characters, but they're listed in likelihood. But wanted to include characters I thought had some reasonable evidence supporting them (imho), and I don't think all probable characters will get in.
 

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I'd say Ken (Ryu Echo), Elma, some kind of Pokémon (Most likely Incineroar), a Kirby rep, and then Shantae as the "didn't see that coming" character.

I honestly think Ridley deserves the "didn't see that coming" epithet more than any potential newcomer.
I honestly feel like K.Rool gets the 'didn't see it coming' spot.

Did we want him? Yeah.


But he was deader than disco; not appearing in a game for over a decade.
 

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But he was deader than disco; not appearing in a game for over a decade.
And all because of Nintendo! Because Nintendo wouldn't let Retro Studios use him for the new DKC games!!!!

Hopefully K. Rool's popularity and appearing after a decade gives them second thoughts making him and the Kremlings the final baddies in an supposed final trilogy to the new DKC games.
 
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I honestly feel like K.Rool gets the 'didn't see it coming' spot.

Did we want him? Yeah.


But he was deader than disco; not appearing in a game for over a decade.
Honestly it just goes to show that that's not really a rule worth following closely.
 

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Ken is the only unrevealed character to have so many concrete things going for him to be real.

- He’s one of the most iconic characters who history is dealing with clones.

- He’s been mentioned by Verge at least.

- He has a screenshot that hasn’t been debunked by respected people that have an extensive knowledge on Smash and their game design. (ArtsyOmny, Vaanrose).

- And the GameCube packaging (or the box), despite me not thinking it’s finalized, points that between Palutena and Cloud, there is one blank possibly in that section, meaning that one of those chracaters may get an echo fighter to be right next to their counterpart since that is the side not shown yet. And look who is in that section: :ultryu:. Ken would go right next to Ryu.

I think Ken is the only one where I would say is a lock at this point.
Another point towards Ken's inclusion in Smash Ultimate that I see no one else talking about much is the fact that Street Fighter got a HUGE jump in music/soundtrack representation compared to 4 where all we had was 2 versions of Ken's theme and 2 versions of Ryu's. Why would you make such a drastic franchise music jump if you didn't have another character to go along with it. Not to mention Ken's theme in Smash 4 was the only other song from SF to make it in 4. So clearly Sakurai's been thinking about adding Ken for awhile now.
 

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I see everyone throwing around the term "deserves". Forgive me, but, isn't it kind of cliché to say that a certain character "deserves" to be playable? I mean, everyone has characters they want and characters they don't want, and saying the characters we want "deserve" to be playable is like treating opinion as fact. No character "deserves" to get in the game. It's not like Sakurai has to put in a character just because they're popular or just because the fans want them. The characters didn't do anything special to make them be rewarded by being playable in Smash. It just bugs me that everyone throws around this term "deserves" like certain characters need to be in the game. I'm glad Sakurai and Nintendo have the final say, because they know what's best for what characters get in and what characters don't. We as the fans don't know what characters Sakurai should put in. If fans had the final say what characters get in, the roster would be a huge mess.
Yeah...never really understood that term either. I guess because they are important in Nintendo’s History?
Last I checked, It (along with the Final Smash Meter) was announced in Playstation Allstars Battle Royale :troll:
The only thing I enjoyed about PS All Stars Battle Royale was seeing my boy Parrappa holding a bazooka. I’ve never laughed harder.
 

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I mean, Sakurai did state he was referring to the ballot for the newcomer roster.
I definitely think that not every character this game is going to be in because "Ballot"


The only character we even know that got in this time exclusively due to the ballot is K,Rool, with Ridley, Chrom and Dark Samus just falling under the term 'popular characters'.
 

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Ken is the only unrevealed character to have so many concrete things going for him to be real.

- He’s one of the most iconic characters who history is dealing with clones.

- He’s been mentioned by Verge at least.

- He has a screenshot that hasn’t been debunked by respected people that have an extensive knowledge on Smash and their game design. (ArtsyOmny, Vaanrose).

- And the GameCube packaging (or the box), despite me not thinking it’s finalized, points that between Palutena and Cloud, there is one blank possibly in that section, meaning that one of those chracaters may get an echo fighter to be right next to their counterpart since that is the side not shown yet. And look who is in that section: :ultryu:. Ken would go right next to Ryu.

I think Ken is the only one where I would say is a lock at this point.
Pretty sure the leak was debunked, Pichu’s ear is clipping.
 

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Here's a good food-for-thought question: What do y'all think will be revealed at The Game Awards for Smash Ultimate? DLC characters, stages, mentions from Sakurai, what have you.

With Smash coming out a day after the award show and credible sources saying that there might be a reveal for Smash at the show, the last Smash Direct doesn't seem to be the end of any new Smash info.
Nothing.

Maybe an announcement for an announcement for Smash DLC, but no "real" trailers.
I see everyone throwing around the term "deserves". Forgive me, but, isn't it kind of cliché to say that a certain character "deserves" to be playable? I mean, everyone has characters they want and characters they don't want, and saying the characters we want "deserve" to be playable is like treating opinion as fact. No character "deserves" to get in the game. It's not like Sakurai has to put in a character just because they're popular or just because the fans want them. The characters didn't do anything special to make them be rewarded by being playable in Smash. It just bugs me that everyone throws around this term "deserves" like certain characters need to be in the game. I'm glad Sakurai and Nintendo have the final say, because they know what's best for what characters get in and what characters don't. We as the fans don't know what characters Sakurai should put in. If fans had the final say what characters get in, the roster would be a huge mess.
Absolutely.
Deservedness is subjective, which is why it has so much discussion.
 
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I honestly feel like K.Rool gets the 'didn't see it coming' spot.

Did we want him? Yeah.


But he was deader than disco; not appearing in a game for over a decade.
Coincidentally, he's the only non-Echo other than the Inklings who wasn't leaked beforehand by a legitimate source.

He truly did come out of nowhere.
 
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I mean, Sakurai did state he was referring to the ballot for the newcomer roster.
I know, but everyone thinks all these potential characters deserve to be playable. Like, they say that Dixie Kong, for example, deserves to be in just because she's popular. Just because a character's popular doesn't mean they deserve to get in. What if someone says Dixie Kong does not deserve to get in? Is that person wrong? See what I mean? It's just dumb to say characters deserve to get in and YouTubers do it all the time and it bothers me because it makes them sound ignorant
 

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Eh

Not really...

Ridley's portrait got updated so Pichu having a different portrait doesn't really disprove the leak
Didn’t know Ridleys got updated. but then again, half an ear raises a few flags still. It’s not like Nintendo to leave something unfinished like that.
 

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I see everyone throwing around the term "deserves". Forgive me, but, isn't it kind of cliché to say that a certain character "deserves" to be playable? I mean, everyone has characters they want and characters they don't want, and saying the characters we want "deserve" to be playable is like treating opinion as fact. No character "deserves" to get in the game. It's not like Sakurai has to put in a character just because they're popular or just because the fans want them. The characters didn't do anything special to make them be rewarded by being playable in Smash. It just bugs me that everyone throws around this term "deserves" as if certain characters need to be in the game. I'm glad Sakurai and Nintendo have the final say, because they know what's best for what characters get in and what characters don't. We as the fans don't know what characters Sakurai should put in. If fans had the final say what characters get in, the roster would be a huge mess.
I don't consider the word "deserve" to imply it being factual. It's their opinion on which character they think has the best attributes to be a Smash character, depending on the subjective rubric they consider. A person can hypothetically say a character they don't like nevertheless "deserves" to be in Smash. It's just we rarely see that as people generally like expressing their desires, more than considering characters they don't personally like (*raises my hand*). That being said, I do avoid trying to use the term "deserve" given it's negative connotation in speculation--doesn't mean I don't have a list in my head of deserving and undeserving characters. :p
 

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And all because of Nintendo! Because Nintendo wouldn't let Retro Studios use him for the new DKC games!!!!

Hopefully K. Rool's popularity and appearing after a decade gives them second thoughts making him and the Kremlings the final baddies in an supposed final trilogy to the new DKC games.
I imagine if that were the case itd turn out K. Rool would pull a ganondorf and be the one behind the Tikis and Snowmads
 

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Didn’t know Ridleys got updated. but then again, half an ear raises a few flags still. It’s not like Nintendo to leave something unfinished like that.
The image is likely from an increeeeeeeedibly early build, earlier than the build shown off at E3, where Pichu has a full ear, and people have even pointed out a very odd line on Pichu's ear in the E3 segment talking about him which lines up where it was clipped off in the leak.
 
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I honestly feel like K.Rool gets the 'didn't see it coming' spot.

Did we want him? Yeah.


But he was deader than disco; not appearing in a game for over a decade.
More than just a few people were still expecting him though, just because the demand for him was so overwhelming, the only surprising thing about his inclusion was the timing of it and how it didn't leak.
 
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More than just a few people were still expecting him though, just because the demand for him was so overwhelming, the only surprising thing about his inclusion was the timing of it and how it didn't leak.
I mean, there's a fanbase for every character. I wanted him, but I legit didn't expect him.
 

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That's what I'm personally thinking if they do that. He and the Kremlings were the ones pulling the strings the entire time.
It tends to be the default position of Nintendo villains is that the iconic ones always pull the strings of the new blood. I am still surprised they didnt retcon mario 2 to have Wart be one of Bowser's minions.
 

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More than just a few people were still expecting him though, just because the demand for him was so overwhelming, the only surprising thing about his inclusion was the timing of it and how it didn't leak.
If it was Dixie that was revealed instead of K. Rool. I dunno if I would had gotten back into the Nintendo Phase and be here. Perfect example of a butterfly effect.
 
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