Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[KingofKoopas]

Everyone hoping for a Direct announcement soon, kind of makes me wonder a bit.. Didn't nintendo announce their LAST direct the night before it was gonna air. and then an earthquake hit so it got postponed a week but wasnt announced the postponed time til the night before again?

 

[Kuon]

In the same vain however, I won't play with item and on certain stages, because dying to things beyond my control infuriates me, even more than losing in a clean match

That's why you make a custom stage that's a giant square (box) so that you bounce all over the place instead of flying into the blast zone I'm not the only one who makes stages like that, am I?

 

[DevaAshera]

As much as I don't like Melee, the fact that it draws in the numbers it does 17 years after its release speaks volumes.

So does Marvel vs Capcom 2 and that game is beyond broken.

It's all still subjective..like I don't enjoy playing Melee anymore, honestly, so for me the best Smash game is Wii U and will likely end up being Ultimate.

 

[Applebutter61]

There's much, MUCH more to Smash Bros than a competitive experience. Smash Bros is a celebration of Nintendo and it's history. The characters, stages, items, music, trophies, and every other little detail in these games mean a lot to people.
Judging a game like Smash PURELY on its competitive side is ignoring a lot of what makes Smash special.
I think looking at the smash games as "objectively superior or inferior" in comparison to one another is ignorant. They're all different, all offer different experiences, and all mean different things to different people.

For example, if you value single player experiences, then you're going to love brawl, and probably will think its a "superior game" in comparison to Melee.
Nobody is right or wrong, but when you say "Brawl is considered to be inferior", I think you're talking strictly from a competitive point of view, which is by no means objective. Its an opinion.

Believe it or not, some people just do not like how fast Melee is. Some people don't like the physics. They don't like the way it works. Some people prefer the later games. And no matter how much you may BELIEVE Melee is "superior", at the end of the day, that's just the way hardcore Melee fans view things.

When I said melee is superior, I said that only applies in a competitive perspective. Like I said, brawl had a far better one player mode for example.

 

[Meritocracy]

Everyone knows SonicFox will go for an instant rematch if he loses
He will transform into his final form, unleash his Devil Trigger, go Super Saiyan, use 100% of his quirk, touch the power of the tailed beast and awaken his seventh sense.
He will put the fursuit on

If this happen so and ZeRo still wins,
It should posted on YouTube by some random small channel like lil' Dan and called Sonicfox exposed

 

[Untouch]

Find Mii and Tomodachi life were both 3DS stages so they barely had much music, I could see this being added to the Find Mii stage at least.

 

[Meritocracy]

That's why you make a custom stage that's a giant square (box) so that you bounce all over the place instead of flying into the blast zone I'm not the only one who makes stages like that, am I?

That sounds... Counter productive.

 

[Kuon]

When I said melee is superior, I said that only applies in a competitive perspective. Like I said, brawl had a far better one player mode for example.

But is Melee's competitive scene "superior" to Smash 4's competitive scene? Some people may think so, and some people may think otherwise. It's hard to say which one's superior

 

[TheCJBrine]

If we get something tomorrow, the 10 days pattern will still work, as today would be day 9 (I previously thought yesterday being over would make Day 9, but I just goofed even when knowing that the playlist updated on Sept. 30th...).

I'm not gonna expect anything, though...

 

[Applebutter61]

Smash 4 has
- A lower barrier to entry
- A much larger roster
- A much more balanced roster

To say Melee is objectively better competitively is objectively false. It's 100% subjective.

"much more balanced roster" Haha, ok, let's pretend bayo isn't in the game. And, a "lower barrier entry" isn't necessarily a good thing. A larger roster is really fun, of course, but, again, Melee is better from a competitive standpoint. Casually, brawl and smash 4 are amazing. Even competitively, though, smash 4 and even brawl aren't bad games, they just are as good as melee.

 

[Kuon]

That sounds... Counter productive.

I actually really enjoy making stages like that. I find those kind of stages to be a lot of fun, but that's because making custom stages is one of my favorite things to do in Smash

 

[Zinith]

Wait, there's ANOTHER pattern people are imagini-- I mean, seeing?

 

[Applebutter61]

Applying "objectively" to a subjective statement. That is why I disagree.

The concept that Melee is objectively better due to its controller complexity and faster gameplay is what pushes away people who don't like Melee. (That and a usually pompous attitude that oozes from Melee-only purists, but that's a whole different discussion.) One cannot apply objective arguments to a subjective debate. Melee also has downfalls, such as an extremely limited number of players who win major tournaments, an extremely limited number of viable top 8 characters, age, and a much higher skill curve than what is acceptable for many players who prefer Smash 4. THis is why it cannot objectively be a better competitive game; all of these assessments are subjective.

It's like how I prefer to watch American football-- it's complex, it has gaps in the gameplay to digest and talk, it has a structured, easy to plan for schedule, every score is a significant moment-- but there are many in my area who prefer basketball-- fairly simple game, quicker games, much more scoring, fewer breaks, etc. Neither is objectively a better game than the other. Football meets my preferences. Basketball meets my friends'. They're both competitive games worth playing and watching, and arguing which one is better is a stupid argument to have.

Melee's funner.

 

[Nekoo]

Wait, there's ANOTHER pattern people are imagini-- I mean, seeing?

If you managed to stop looking for anything looking green or like a dino, you would know that it has been almost 10 day since we're talking about it.

 

[Noipoi]

Wait, there's ANOTHER pattern people are imagini-- I mean, seeing?

Kinda, but this one is a little more grounded in reality.
The last time the playlist updated it was around Isabelle's reveal.

 

[Kuon]

Melee's funner.

Melee is my least favorite Smash Bros game. I still love it though, just not as much as the others

 

[Deleted member]

Melee's funner.

To you.

Some people enjoy other Smash games. Simple as that. There is no objectively "more fun than the others" Smash.

 

[MBRedboy31]

That sounds... Counter productive.

Hey, I had a lot of fun with enclosed stages; sure, it’s futile, but it can be pretty funny (and it makes the times where someone does get KO’ed by clipping through the walls especially special.)

I once watched a tournament on a livestream where it was team matches on enclosed stages only, Special Flags turned on, so the goal is to get points by using the Special Flags, so it requires teamwork to ensure you can use the Flags safely and prevent the enemies from using them.

You can also use enclosed stages for things like an equivalent of Sandbag Soccer / Basketball from SSF2, where you have a third character be on the stage and be AFK so that they can be used as the ball.

 

[Idon]

But is Melee's competitive scene "superior" to Smash 4's competitive scene? Some people may think so, and some people may think otherwise. It's hard to say which one's superior

Yeah, I'd say so.
Viewers, players, tournament goers, advertising, sponsorships, documentaries, interviews, history character variety, etc. The melee competitive community probably does it better.

Unless you wanna say "but that's just your opiiiiiinion" in which case we can end the conversation here because that isn't really conducive to further conversation.

 

[Zinith]

Kinda, but this one is a little more grounded in reality.
The last time the playlist updated it was around Isabelle's reveal.

Oh, so it was the PLAYLIST thing.

I thought there was an explanation on why that happened that was disappointing, like it was to fix a typo or something...

 

[Pazzo.]

ZeRo vs. the Furries gauntlet when?

 

[Deleted member]

Hey, time for a timed leak that might get debunked tonight.

http://boards.4chan.org/v/thread/434643471



Time to get our watches Gentlemens.

> Master & Crazy Orders

Vomiting.

 

[Noipoi]

Oh, so it was the PLAYLIST thing.

I thought there was an explanation on why that happened that was disappointing, like it was to fix a typo or something...

That could definitely be it, but it still hasn't been 10 whole days since the playlist updated.
I'm not expecting anything, but you never know...

 

[Kuon]

Hey, I had a lot of fun with enclosed stages; sure, it’s futile, but it can be pretty funny (and it makes the times where someone does get KO’ed by clipping through the walls especially special.)

I once watched a tournament on a livestream where it was team matches on enclosed stages only, Special Flags turned on, so the goal is to get points by using the Special Flags, so it requires teamwork to ensure you can use the Flags safely and prevent the enemies from using them.

You can also use enclosed stages for things like an equivalent of Sandbag Soccer / Basketball from SSF2, where you have a third character be on the stage and be AFK so that they can be used as the ball.

With the special flags game, is it basically whoever has the most lives wins when the timer runs out?

 

[Applebutter61]

Ok riddle me this, y'all:

Explain that Lol

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

That could definitely be it, but it still hasn't been 10 whole days since the playlist updated.
I'm not expecting anything, but you never know...

How much has it been so far, I lost track.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Do description changes update playlists? I also remember someone saying they went through and didn't notice a difference, and someone saying something like minor changes to video descriptions don't update the whole playlist as then the time the playlist was created would be messed up, but idk...

 

[Nekoo]

> Master & Crazy Orders

Vomiting.

I liked that just because they were an easy way to unlock music.
Once that done. I didn't touched that mode anymore

 

[Meritocracy]

Yeah, I'd say so.
Viewers, players, tournament goers, advertising, sponsorships, documentaries, interviews, history character variety, etc. The melee competitive community probably does it better.

Unless you wanna say "but that's just your opiiiiiinion" in which case we can end the conversation here because that isn't really conducive to further conversation.

Yeah, it feels like somebody need to do something for sm4sh that never ended up being done, it feels like sm4sh had the potential to rival Melee, but we done goofed and it didn't end up happening

 

[Noipoi]

How much has it been so far, I lost track.

9 days, tomorrow is the tenth day.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Do please keep Melee vs other Smash games discussion to a bare minimum since it tends to attract trolling, flaming, and other problems.

 

[Meritocracy]

ZeRo vs. the Furries gauntlet when?

3 months after ultimate releases
'Less someone 'd me, then ignore this

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Here’s an early Christmas present to everyone...

Happy (early) holidays. I hope everyone gets what they want in Smash. For me, I want this. Hohoho.

 

[Pazzo.]

Who's ready for a new MOTHER track tonight?

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

But is Melee's competitive scene "superior" to Smash 4's competitive scene? Some people may think so, and some people may think otherwise. It's hard to say which one's superior

This last leg of Smash 4's competitive life has been characterized by two Bayonetta's ****ing around during EVO grand finals while the entire crowd boo'd them. Smash 4's competitive community has A LOT of growing up to do, and it doesn't help that's it rather spoiled due to receiving so many resources and recognition despite it's youth.

Ultimate may be a catalyst for a better competitive Smash with all the new things it's implementing to assist in that, but that won't make the actual scene any better.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Ok riddle me this, y'all:

Explain that Lol

This video is explain his reason why Smash 4 decline in popularity. There is no other true reason of why competitive Smash 4 decline aside of possibly Ultimate.

Also, we should stop this Melee vs Smash 4 debate please, this is getting out of context.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Here’s an early Christmas present to everyone...

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Happy (early) holidays. I hope evetyone gets what they want in Smash. For me, I want this. Hohoho.

Skull Elf

 

[Noipoi]

Who's ready for a new MOTHER track tonight?

I haven't played Earthbound yet (I plan to in a couple days) but I really like the eight melodies.

 

[Meritocracy]

Who's ready for a new MOTHER track tonight?

No one would be ready for that.

 

[Yoshisaurus Rex]

Skull Elf

Better than Elf on the Shelf.