Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Danpal65]

I've got heat for sharing my preferred Pokemon games before, but here goes:

DPP (HGSS here too) > RSE > XY > SuMo > GSC (B2W2 would probably fit here) > RBY > BW >>>>> ORAS & USUM

Edit: Forgot HGSS

 

[PeridotGX]

Favorite Pokemon games?

HGSS = PMD2 > Conqust = BW2 > ORAS> SM = XY. I like them all though.

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

Favorite Pokemon games?

HGSS = PMD2 > Conqust = BW2 > ORAS> SM = XY. I like them all though.

I don't see people mention conquest much, you have good taste

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

The only characters I care aboutlol

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Danpal65]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

I've neve rhad an issue with "clones" so I'm more than happy to see them rebranded as Echo Fighters and have a more positive reception. There is literally no downside to their existence and they make the roster look much cooler with characters you may not see otherwise.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

They're the same thing as clones but labeled differently. Nothing else.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I don't think I can choose a favorite Pokemon game.

I will say that Cynthia's champion battle theme is my favorite so far, though Diantha's sounds nice as well, and I also like the others...

...crap.

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

I like them, too, though I don't have much to say about them.

Just make Ninten a semi-clone pls.

 

[Ring-a-Sheep]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

I think they're alright, they have no serious impact on the game's development and its nice padding.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think you guys are setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

I think they're necessary as like clones or semi-clones that they save up data and don't take up as much time allowing more characters to be added.

 

[Idon]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

They're lazy wastes of character potential meant to satisfy people with low standards and only want their characters technically in than be meaningful and unique additions to the roster.

I would rather they didn't get in now if they could be added again later as at least semi-unique.

Even Dragonball FighterZ with its 4 Gokus play differently.

 

[Noipoi]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

I was fine with clones before and i'm fine with them now.
I got HI I'M DAISY out of it so i'm pretty content.

 

[praline]

I think you guys are setting yourself up for disappointment.

This is the Smash fanbase you are talking about.

 

[Deleted member]

I've got heat for sharing my preferred Pokemon games before, but here goes:

DPP (HGSS here too) > RSE > XY > SuMo > GSC (B2W2 would probably fit here) > RBY > BW >>>>> ORAS & USUM

Edit: Forgot HGSS

DPP, B2W2 and HGSS >> SuMo > ORAS > RSE > GSC > BW > USUM > RBY >> XY
Fun Fact: White 2 was my first Pokemon game I ever played.

 

[Opossum]

This really isn't the place for ranking Pokémon games.

Especially when you put them in the wrong order.

 

[KMDP]

Game: Put a list of characters to complete 80!
And add 5 Echoes.

I will Start:

69- Geno
70- Isaac
71- Incineroar
72- Steve
73- Agumon
74- Crash Bandicoot
75- Banjo & Kazooie
76- Klonoa
77- Bandana Dee
78- Sora
79- Doomguy
80- Skull Kid

Echoes:

Shadow, BlackShadow, Ken, Octoling and Felix

Hmm... okay.

69 - Gardevoir
70 - Incineroar
71 - Isaac
72 - Bandana Waddle Dee
73 - Crash Bandicoot
74 - Hector
75 - Black Knight
76 - Agumon
77 - Nightmare
78 - Tifa Lockhart
79 - Sephiroth
80 - Geno

ε - Pachirisu, Shadow, Ken, Felix, Coco

 

[tylerfoxorwhatever]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

Like Danpal65 said, I also never had an issue with clones, and I'm glad they are now seen in a more positive light.

 

[Untouch]

Blog post is Dr Mario.

 

[Deleted member]

I like clones, and I think they are fine. Even if they have the same moveset.
They are still different.

This really isn't the place for ranking Pokémon games.

Especially when you put them in the wrong order.

Can you show me your order then, even if this is not really the place to rank it?
The moderators seem to not care.

Just try to add a topic about Smash in there too.

 

[Opossum]

They're lazy wastes of character potential meant to satisfy people with low standards and only want their characters technically in than be meaningful and unique additions to the roster.

I would rather they didn't get in now if they could be added again later as at least semi-unique.

People enjoying echoes isn't a sign of them having low standards.

Just enjoy your party games, folks.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Blog post is Dr Mario.

Welp gg, no announcement this week

 

[amazonevan19]

Blog post is Dr Mario.

Damn son, looking like we'll be getting a three or even four character week.

 

[ZenythSmash]

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that's a big ol' fragrance lizard

 

[tylerfoxorwhatever]

They're lazy wastes of character potential meant to satisfy people with low standards and only want their characters technically in than be meaningful and unique additions to the roster.

I would rather they didn't get in now if they could be added again later as at least semi-unique.

Even Dragonball FighterZ with its 4 Gokus play differently.

...
Jesus.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Fitting that we went from Wii Fit Trainer, an aerobics instructor to Dr. Mario who checks to see how healthy you are.

Spoiler

He isn't even a licensed doctor BTW.

 

[SigmaMewtwo]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

I like the idea of Echo Fighters, especially since each of the newer ones have unique animations compared to their originals. I never had an issue with clones either though, even as far back as Melee, so having an official designation for them is cool.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

They're lazy wastes of character potential meant to satisfy people with low standards and only want their characters technically in than be meaningful and unique additions to the roster.

Would you rather have 1 more unique instead of 6 Echo fighters, Therfore making the rooster smaller? I don't even think there would be enough development time to focus on one newcomer, compared to 6 Echoes

 

[TheCJBrine]

The only echoes I personally want are Louie and maybe President as I can't imagine him having different moves, except maybe different normals and he'd be heavier? Though Louie could have different normals as well; I suppose Alph could be an echo, but I'd like to see him use Rock Pikmin, plus he's already an alt. for Olimar.

For Ninten and Dixie Kong, I'd prefer if they were semi-clones.

Welp gg, no announcement this week

wat.

They didn't announce it on the blog last time :S

 

[WolfCypher]

1. Gold/Silver/Crystal
2. XY
3. Red/Blue/Yellow
4. Black/White
5. Emerald
6. Platinum
7. Diamond/Pearl
8. Ruby/Sapphire
9. B2/W2
10. Sun/Moon/US/UM

Excluded the remakes, but; HeartGold/SoulSilver >> FireRed/LeafGreen >>>>>>> Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire

 

[Cosmic77]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

They're a double-edged sword for me.

On one hand, characters who probably never would've had another shot to get in Smash are given a second chance (Chrom and DS), but there's also that feeling of dread when you realize some of your favorite characters could potentially end up as pure clones for the rest of their existence in Smash (Dixie and Shadow).

I'm glad Isabelle isn't a clone, but it pains me to see Daisy stuck as that stupid, redundant Peach clone people have always labeled her as.

 

[Shroob]

First we got our workout trainer.

Now we got our Physical.


IS IT TIME TO GET IN THE RING NEXT?



....nah

 

[Deleted member]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

I hate how Dark Samus is going to force me to stack echoes just to have the N64 cast uninterrupted.

Otherwise, I don't care either way.

Blog post is Dr Mario.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I don't even think there would be enough development time to focus on one newcomer, compared to 6 Echoes

6 clones in Melee didn't equal the work of one unique newcomer, and echoes are less different overall.

 

[Deoxys911]

I was fine with clones before and i'm fine with them now.
I got HI I'M DAISY out of it so i'm pretty content.

And in the same game that gave us WOOMY! Blessed be Sakurai.

People enjoying echoes isn't a sign of them having low standards.

Just enjoy your party games, folks.

REAL MEN USE ITEMS.

 

[amazonevan19]

I used to be opposed to echoes because I thought they were lazy, but then when we learned that echoes can have their own unique moves and is pretty much the only way Shadow could get in the game, I became much more ok with them.

I'd rather have an expanded roster with more characters and some of them being echoes than fewer characters and no echoes. Obviously we'd all prefer more unique fighters than echoes but time and resources are finite so their existence is an acceptable compromise to me.

 

[N3ON]

So... just randomly curious.
What are everyone's overall thoughts on Echo fighters?

I personally really like them, as they do not take up too much development time, but they still make fans happy. Never thought I'd see the day that Daisy and Chrom would get in Smash, but it arrived.

Pretty much the same as when they were in Smash 4, Brawl, Melee (especially Melee), and 64 before they lacked the special distinction.

I don't find super derivative characters particularly interesting, and by their nature those, typically, are the kind destined to be clones. Plus, the bar for becoming a clone is lower than a standard character. If they were truly integral, they'd eventually get in as original. But hey, more characters.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

Game: Put a list of characters to complete 80!
And add 5 Echoes.

I will Start:

69- Geno
70- Isaac
71- Incineroar
72- Steve
73- Agumon
74- Crash Bandicoot
75- Banjo & Kazooie
76- Klonoa
77- Bandana Dee
78- Sora
79- Doomguy
80- Skull Kid

Echoes:

Shadow, BlackShadow, Ken, Octoling and Felix

69. Incineroar
70. Steve
71. Rex and Pyra/Mythra
72. Spring Man
73. Skull Kid
74. Medusa
75. Bandana Dee
76. Issac
77. Chorus Boys
78. Geno
79. Travis Touchdown
80. Banjo Kazooie

Echoes: Shadow, Ribbon Girl, Ken, Octoling, and Felix.

 

[Nap_]

69-Misty (pokemon trainer alike or even fighting herself in the stage using water pkmn)
70-Banjo-Kazooie
71-Chun-li
72-Ashley
73-Shovel Knight
74-Midna & wolf Link
75-Waluigi
76-Heihachi
77-Jill Valentine
78-Springman
79-Excite Bike in pixel
80-Rayman

Echoes: Medusa (Palutena), Leon Kennedy (Jill), Ken (Ryu), Ribbon Girl (Springman), Dixie Kong (Heavily changed Diddy)

 

[Idon]

People enjoying echoes isn't a sign of them having low standards.

Just enjoy your party games, folks.

Oh, I'll enjoy it.
I'll just enjoy it... with a smidgen of disappointment.

Would you rather have 1 more unique instead of 6 Echo fighters, Therfore making the rooster smaller? I don't even think there would be enough development time to focus on one newcomer, compared to 6 Echoes

First of all, yes.

Buuuut
Second of all, even with resources from echoes being diverted to a unique or semi-unique newcomer, there probably wouldn't be enough. My issue is purely as a waste of character potential than one of resources misspent