Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Chrono.]

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

Dude, you first compared the box theorists to anti vaxxers and now you're comparing them to flat earthers.

There's... a lot to unpack here.

 

[TVDart]

uh... I don't think Animal Crossing got 2 tracks...

Oh! My bad, I was misremembering. For some reason I was under the impression the Happy Home theme was the second Animal Crossing track.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

It's amazing.

You went back to edit your post with an extra insult and the only person you made look stupid is you.

 

[Imadethistoseealeak]

Some people said Marth, Lucina and Chrom (and maybe Links) can get fighting but it seems pretty good to me. Bayonetta being Fairy is pretty funny but accurate and Olimar being Bug?

Wait, what? Do you have proof of this, preferably in the form of a video?

This is huge if true.

Reminder that Sacred Sword is a fighting-type move and that Chrom's/Lucy's/Marth's sword is made from Naga's Fang, not from steel.

Eh I feel weird making most of the roster fighting/steel but I guess a lot of the roster is steel already....also yea I chose bug for Olimar because a big part of him is controlling the Pikmin which gave me attack order defend order vibes ala Vespiquen. Also I wanted to try to include every type. I didn't get around to rock though...

 

[KingofKoopas]

Dude, you first compared the box theorists to anti vaxxers and now you're comparing them to flat earthers.

There's... a lot to unpack here.

Not much, thinking a jpeg of a cardboard box with pictures on it will reveal the answers to life, the universe and everything is intellectually equivilent to thinking that the earth is on the back of a giant turtle. I have no qualms about pointing it out.

 

[Luigi The President]

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

Don't believe in the box theory myself

Are you actually stupid?

 

[Opossum]

Not much, thinking a jpeg of a cardboard box with pictures on it will reveal the answers to life, the universe and everything is intellectually equivilent to thinking that the earth is on the back of a giant turtle. I have no qualms about pointing it out.

I think the bigger issue is the fact that you're comparing a video game to the meaning of life.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Not much, thinking a jpeg of a cardboard box with pictures on it will reveal the answers to life, the universe and everything is intellectually equivilent to thinking that the earth is on the back of a giant turtle. I have no qualms about pointing it out.

I'm tempted to save this.

If you eat crow, I hope you eat crow hard.

 

[Shroob]

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

Yes, comparing people who don't want to be disappointed so they keep their expectations to a minimum to people that believe "Muh guberment" is totally a fair comparison. /s

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

Uhh... I don't believe in the box theory...
But that doesn't mean believers are flat Earthers

 

[TheAJJohnson]

Ken, Incineroar, Steve, Shadow as a semi clone and last is Geno if the SE rep is base-game or Sora if he's DLC

I think this is highly likely, except I think Shadow is going to be full echo.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

We have definite proof the Earth is round, flat earthers are just too stubborn to accept it. We don't have any definitive evidence against the box theory, and won't until we see more of the roster.

Bad comparison.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Wow, this is just...disappointing really. Dude uses Normal type way too much.

Exactly what is this supposed to be?

The Vergeben leaks marked a drastic shift in speculation, as did the reveal of Ridley, who established that no character is too big this time around.
I'd say Intern-kun's intervention before the 8.8.2018 Direct was pretty big, as was the delay of the 9.13.2018 Direct.
The Box marked a much needed return to skepticism about the roster size, but also displayed the large amount of denial Smash fans display with things such as blog theory rising to prominence
Isabelle also showed that this game isn't just appealing to the hardcore fanbase, but fanbases outside of that as

Freddy in K.Rools Pose for some reason.

 

[Noipoi]

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

wow.

this is sad.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

So to pass the time, I though it would be interesting to ask you guys how you would list in tiers the series in Smash Bros you have the most experience with by how much you like them. Obviously we aren't counting Smash itself.
My tier list:
Godlike Tier:
Amazing Tier:
"It's Okay" Tier:
"Meh" Tier:
"I want to play these series so badly!":

Top Tier:
Great Tier:
Good Tier:
Okay Tier:
Meh Tier:

 

[amazonevan19]

Quick glance at the thread shows me nothing new has happened and the box theory is being compared to flat earth theory.

Hoo boy

 

[WolfCypher]

It's a mix of the fact that I feel the top 4 are more likely, and every time the speculation scene gets the Pokemon wrong. In Brawl I heard everyone was banking on Blaziken or Deoxys, and In 4 everyone was expecting Mewtwo and Zoruark. Even half a year ago we were expecting Decidueye. For all we know Incineroar could be Vergeben's Chrom. He's likely, but not a fact like everyone makes him out to be. In fact, if not for leaks I'd say Lycanroc's likelier

It's true Blaziken and Deoxys had a fair amount of support for Brawl, but Lucario was always the favorite in the community, it wasn't a surprise that he made it in the end. Pokémon Trainer is another story, but that was practically impossible to guess.

Also, I remember Sceptile was one people just kept on insisting was a surefire shoe-in for such arbitrary reasons for 4. "Oh, its GOT to get in! We got Charizard and Greninja! Sakurai is going to give us Sceptile cus Ruby Sapphire remakes happened and Fire Water Grass trio and Sakurai patterns and der der DERRR!"

Most people weren't surprised to see Lucario in Brawl.

 

[Wyoming]

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

Who is your most wanted character, if I can indulge you?

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Favorite franchises (in no specific order)

 

[Opossum]

Who is your most wanted character, if I can indulge you?

Whoever it is, it's not on the box.

 

[KingofKoopas]

JPEG of a box that can never be changed at all, released more than three or possibly four, cant remember, months before the game releases. Even after the Banner image was changed three times, the Cover Art was changed after Ridley was introduced, and the fact that within the last Smash direct we got more than 2 characters. Plus a nintendo direct with at least 1. Even the most credible leakers remaining not only HAVE said they don't think Box theory is a thing.

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards. In spite of it spitting in the face of any logical sense.

Look you can say sakurais interview all you want but if the only characters left are Ken, an Echo, and Incineroar, a Base Breaker, do you REALLY think thats gonna be at all helpful to nintendo at all who's main market strategy at least since the wii has been, and currently is
HYPE
to put out a box that says nope two left, **** you?

Hence why I'm so hostile about box theory.

But go ahead and call me an idiot for comparing people who think a JPEG of a box is proof of smash is on the same level as people who think the earth is a coin on the back of a giant turtle.

 

[dezeray112]

Just came back home from work.

Have I missed anything whilst I was away?

 

[Potato_]

Not much, thinking a jpeg of a cardboard box with pictures on it will reveal the answers to life, the universe and everything is intellectually equivilent to thinking that the earth is on the back of a giant turtle. I have no qualms about pointing it out.

Please give me an example of someone doing/saying anything even remotely close to that and I'll consider what you're saying.

Otherwise, you just look like an ass.

 

[T3Z3R1]

Spoiler: possible leaks

First off, remember the Dante leak a while back? I dunno if it’s the same person but there’s been an update on that front and...I suddenly don’t want Dante any more...

Here’s a few more, searching “Ken Incineroar” on fireden:
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/433541317/#433541317

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/433490812/#433490812

>DmC Dante

No one asks for that faker to be in smash, even WHEN we can have true dante instead of him? This makes me want little mac to not be posted tonight, I know that we have few fighters left and chance of this leaks is increasing to look like correct if it did get blog post right.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

>DmC Dante

No one asks for that faker to be in smash, even WHEN we can have true dante instead of him? This makes me want little mac to not be posted tonight, I know that we have few fighters left and chance of this leaks is increasing to look like correct if it did get blog post right.

The faker known as Donte ake DINO (Dante In Name Only).

Luckily for us the last I heard someone had taken care of that potheaded crack addicted impersonator forever to be left behind in the dust totally forgotten.

Spoiler

 

[Swamp Sensei]

JPEG of a box that can never be changed at all, released more than three or possibly four, cant remember, months before the game releases. Even after the Banner image was changed three times, the Cover Art was changed after Ridley was introduced, and the fact that within the last Smash direct we got more than 2 characters. Plus a nintendo direct with at least 1. Even the most credible leakers remaining not only HAVE said they don't think Box theory is a thing.

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards. In spite of it spitting in the face of any logical sense.

Look you can say sakurais interview all you want but if the only characters left are Ken, an Echo, and Incineroar, a Base Breaker, do you REALLY think thats gonna be at all helpful to nintendo at all who's main market strategy at least since the wii has been, and currently is
HYPE
to put out a box that says nope two left, **** you?

Hence why I'm so hostile about box theory.

But go ahead and call me an idiot for comparing people who think a JPEG of a box is proof of smash is on the same level as people who think the earth is a coin on the back of a giant turtle.

The worst part about your theory is that it relies on your personal taste of what's hype.

 

[Noipoi]

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards. In spite of it spitting in the face of any logical sense.

Ladies and Gentlemen, i've found the problem.

Look you can say sakurais interview all you want but if the only characters left are Ken, an Echo, and Incineroar, a Base Breaker, do you REALLY think thats gonna be at all helpful to nintendo at all who's main market strategy at least since the wii has been, and currently is
HYPE

Brawl ended with Olimar. Smash 4 ended with Shulk.
Not to discredit those two because I like them, but they're not exactly universal hype machines.
Smash speculation seasons have never had big finales. I dunno why everyone's expecting this one to.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

I wonder how many of these “leaks” are just people pushing their own selfish agendas.

 

[TheCJBrine]

But how would any leak know the next blogpost?

Is Intern-kun going rogue again?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Whether or not you like something is irrelevant to the overall truth/reality. Just because you don’t want to believe it doesn’t mean it’s any less valid.

The box is nothing compared to flat earth, and that’s a ridiculous comprison. The earth being round is denied based on complete disregard for the science and facts that legitimately back it. The thing with the box is that it’s combined with what we know of a leaker, his information, and the fact that he hasn’t really come to the table with anything definitive on base roster.

Vergeben wouldn’t know if the box indicates the final roster. For the thousandth time, say it with me: He. Gets. His. Information. From. Primary. Sources. As in, he is not directly in contact with the game, but his sources are more privy to that.

I don’t know what’s really going on with people just calling it stupid, but people who disagree with the box “theory” consistently follow it up with, “It’s not real, we’re getting 6 it more newcomers”. This ironically is based on less circumstantial evidence than the box theory.

People deny the box theory because they don’t want it to be true. I’m not even going all in on it myself, because anything can happen. But i’m not denying it because I don’t want it to be real.

You wanting it to be nothing doesn’t mean it is nothing.

 

[KingofKoopas]

The worst part about your theory is that it relies on your personal taste of what's hype.

It certainly isnt Ryu in a Blonde wig whos picture may fit on a picture of a cardboard box with more pictures.

 

[ZephyrZ]

JPEG of a box that can never be changed at all, released more than three or possibly four, cant remember, months before the game releases. Even after the Banner image was changed three times, the Cover Art was changed after Ridley was introduced, and the fact that within the last Smash direct we got more than 2 characters. Plus a nintendo direct with at least 1. Even the most credible leakers remaining not only HAVE said they don't think Box theory is a thing.

It's not that they think these things can't be changed, it's that they noticed a weird pattern that can only be explained if the box's designers were taking unanounced newcomers into account. It's really not that crazy and there's some actual logic to it.

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards. In spite of it spitting in the face of any logical sense.

This argument makes no logical sense. Just because a theory isn't hype doesn't mean it's untrue. It's clearly your gut doing the talking here.

Hence why I'm so hostile about box theory.

It's possible to politely disagree with someone. You aren't going to change anyone's mind by making them dislike you.

 

[KingofKoopas]

Brawl ended with Olimar. Smash 4 ended with Shulk.
Not to discredit those two because I like them, but they're not exactly universal hype machines.
Smash speculation seasons have never had big finales. I dunno why everyone's expecting this one to.

Pikmin was an up and coming IP that was becoming a universally loved title which it is today, and OP Rainfall ring a bell?

 

[Deleted member]

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

I...I just...How? How is it physically possible for someone to be this stupid?

 

[lightdrago]

It certainly isnt Ryu in a Blonde wig whos picture may fit on a picture of a cardboard box with more pictures.

Pikmin was an up and coming IP that was becoming a universally loved title which it is today, and OP Rainfall ring a bell?

And Ken is from a well known and famous fighting game that basically fathered the genre.

I think you're missing the words "in my opinion" there, buddy.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

JPEG of a box that can never be changed at all, released more than three or possibly four, cant remember, months before the game releases. Even after the Banner image was changed three times, the Cover Art was changed after Ridley was introduced, and the fact that within the last Smash direct we got more than 2 characters. Plus a nintendo direct with at least 1. Even the most credible leakers remaining not only HAVE said they don't think Box theory is a thing.

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards. In spite of it spitting in the face of any logical sense.

Look you can say sakurais interview all you want but if the only characters left are Ken, an Echo, and Incineroar, a Base Breaker, do you REALLY think thats gonna be at all helpful to nintendo at all who's main market strategy at least since the wii has been, and currently is
HYPE
to put out a box that says nope two left, **** you?

Hence why I'm so hostile about box theory.

But go ahead and call me an idiot for comparing people who think a JPEG of a box is proof of smash is on the same level as people who think the earth is a coin on the back of a giant turtle.

If you think two characters are going to make or break the hype of every character in Smash history playable in this game, having Ridley and K.Rool, two very highly requested characters, 900 music tracks, 103 or more stages, and all the other goodies that Smash Ultimate will have, then I don't know what to tell you. And also, comparing box theorists to flat earthers is asinine because box theorists have logical reason to believe in the box theory. You're free to disbelieve in it, but as of now there is no evidence that kills the box theory. Flat-earthers, on the other hand, deny all evidence of a round earth refusing to believe in science and thinking it is all a grand conspiracy by "the powers that be". Be careful how you post next time.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Brawl ended with Olimar. Smash 4 ended with Shulk.

I thought Brawl and Sm4sh ended with having their full rosters leaked and revealed?

 

[Noipoi]

It certainly isnt Ryu in a Blonde wig whos picture may fit on a picture of a cardboard box with more pictures.

You literally just proved their point.

It seems you dislike the box simply because it doesn't excite you. It's okay to be disappointed, but the insults are taking it too far.

And yes, the box isn't proven. it could be fake. But guess what? It could be real too.

Pikmin was an up and coming IP that was becoming a universally loved title which it is today, and OP Rainfall ring a bell?

A lot of people love Pikmin, but a lot of people don't.
A lot of people like Ken, a lot of people like Incineroar. If you don't that's okay, but you're pushing you're opinions as if they're fact.

Chill.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

JPEG of a box that can never be changed at all, released more than three or possibly four, cant remember, months before the game releases. Even after the Banner image was changed three times, the Cover Art was changed after Ridley was introduced, and the fact that within the last Smash direct we got more than 2 characters. Plus a nintendo direct with at least 1. Even the most credible leakers remaining not only HAVE said they don't think Box theory is a thing.

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards. In spite of it spitting in the face of any logical sense.

Look you can say sakurais interview all you want but if the only characters left are Ken, an Echo, and Incineroar, a Base Breaker, do you REALLY think thats gonna be at all helpful to nintendo at all who's main market strategy at least since the wii has been, and currently is
HYPE
to put out a box that says nope two left, **** you?

Hence why I'm so hostile about box theory.

But go ahead and call me an idiot for comparing people who think a JPEG of a box is proof of smash is on the same level as people who think the earth is a coin on the back of a giant turtle.

I don't have much to add to this conversation but this:

People like you are the reason we can't have civilized discussions here, and are why I made Nihilist Theory to shut down hateful theory discussion.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Box Theory is actually very realistic when combined with recent info. If Vergeben is right about the SE rep, it may end up as DLC, unless Incineroar happens to be DLC for some reason.

Otherwise, the Box Theory probably just barely became true, with us getting one or two fighters on the back of the box (I say two because I want Steve or Banjo-Kazooie).