Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Luigi The President]

JPEG of a box that can never be changed at all, released more than three or possibly four, cant remember, months before the game releases. Even after the Banner image was changed three times, the Cover Art was changed after Ridley was introduced, and the fact that within the last Smash direct we got more than 2 characters. Plus a nintendo direct with at least 1. Even the most credible leakers remaining not only HAVE said they don't think Box theory is a thing.

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards. In spite of it spitting in the face of any logical sense.

Look you can say sakurais interview all you want but if the only characters left are Ken, an Echo, and Incineroar, a Base Breaker, do you REALLY think thats gonna be at all helpful to nintendo at all who's main market strategy at least since the wii has been, and currently is
HYPE
to put out a box that says nope two left, **** you?

Hence why I'm so hostile about box theory.

But go ahead and call me an idiot for comparing people who think a JPEG of a box is proof of smash is on the same level as people who think the earth is a coin on the back of a giant turtle.

I really don't care about how you feel about the box theory, I care about how you compared people who subscribe to it to flat earthers.

 

[KingofKoopas]

It's not that they think these things can't be changed, it's that they noticed a weird pattern that can only be explained if the box's designers were taking unanounced newcomers into account. It's really not that crazy and there's some actual logic to it.
This argument makes no logical sense. Just because a theory isn't hype doesn't mean it's untrue. It's clearly your gut doing the talking here.
It's possible to politely disagree with someone. You aren't going to change anyone's mind by making them dislike you.

1. Pictures have changed in the past does not mean the Cardboard Box cant be changed too. And every leak still standing lists three or more which is one above the box limit

2. When has nintendo not used hype to market a Smash game let alone any of their First Party games. The Hype Train flying into the sun with Reggie's Face is a meme for a reason

3. I don't care about being liked. If something smells rotten in denmark im gonna ask what stinks, and when a theory is silly im going to make fun of it.

 

[PsySmasher]

Ladies and Gentlemen, i've found the problem.


Brawl ended with Olimar. Smash 4 ended with Shulk.
Not to discredit those two because I like them, but they're not exactly universal hype machines.
Smash speculation seasons have never had big finales. I dunno why everyone's expecting this one to.

They did explicitly state that they will reveal all of the base roster prior to release, unlike Melee, Brawl and Smash 4. They all had extra characters that weren't revealed in official material that were still playable.

Ultimate is the first time where this ISN'T the case.

So yes, I can see why everyone is expecting a big final reveal. That last reveal will be the last character in the base roster.

 

[Hydrualic Hydra]

JPEG of a box that can never be changed at all, released more than three or possibly four, cant remember, months before the game releases. Even after the Banner image was changed three times, the Cover Art was changed after Ridley was introduced, and the fact that within the last Smash direct we got more than 2 characters. Plus a nintendo direct with at least 1. Even the most credible leakers remaining not only HAVE said they don't think Box theory is a thing.

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards. In spite of it spitting in the face of any logical sense.

Look you can say sakurais interview all you want but if the only characters left are Ken, an Echo, and Incineroar, a Base Breaker, do you REALLY think thats gonna be at all helpful to nintendo at all who's main market strategy at least since the wii has been, and currently is
HYPE
to put out a box that says nope two left, **** you?

Hence why I'm so hostile about box theory.

But go ahead and call me an idiot for comparing people who think a JPEG of a box is proof of smash is on the same level as people who think the earth is a coin on the back of a giant turtle.

You either have way too much time on your handsor are in genuine need of psychiatric assistance.

 

[Noipoi]

They did explicitly state that they will reveal all of the base roster prior to release, unlike Melee, Brawl and Smash 4. They all had extra characters that weren't revealed in official material that were still playable.

Ultimate is the first time where this ISN'T the case.

So yes, I can see why everyone is expecting a big final reveal. That last reveal will be the last character in the base roster.

That's a legitimately good point.

it's certainly possible, but i'm personally not expecting it.

 

[Luigi The President]

Box Theory is actually very realistic when combined with recent info. If Vergeben is right about the SE rep, it may end up as DLC, unless Incineroar happens to be DLC for some reason.

Otherwise, the Box Theory probably just barely became true, with us getting one or two fighters on the back of the box (I say two because I want Steve or Banjo-Kazooie).

If Verge is right about the SE rep and they're in base the theory's dead, simple. Not sure what the recent info is that supports the theory.

 

[amazonevan19]

JPEG of a box that can never be changed at all, released more than three or possibly four, cant remember, months before the game releases. Even after the Banner image was changed three times, the Cover Art was changed after Ridley was introduced, and the fact that within the last Smash direct we got more than 2 characters. Plus a nintendo direct with at least 1. Even the most credible leakers remaining not only HAVE said they don't think Box theory is a thing.

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards. In spite of it spitting in the face of any logical sense.

Look you can say sakurais interview all you want but if the only characters left are Ken, an Echo, and Incineroar, a Base Breaker, do you REALLY think thats gonna be at all helpful to nintendo at all who's main market strategy at least since the wii has been, and currently is
HYPE
to put out a box that says nope two left, **** you?

Hence why I'm so hostile about box theory.

But go ahead and call me an idiot for comparing people who think a JPEG of a box is proof of smash is on the same level as people who think the earth is a coin on the back of a giant turtle.

woah there buddy exaggeration much? At this point it's pretty obvious you're a troll trying to get people mad but I'll try talking sense into you anyway.

Box theorists might be right or wrong. Who knows. We can debate it, argue it, and have intelligent discussion about it. There is literally no feasible universe in which flat earth can be right. The entire body of scientific knowledge depends on a round earth.

Comparing the box theory, which is a well informed but potentially flawed theory about future events, is 100% incomparable to a crackpot """theory""" which only those in extreme denial can subscribe to. The comparison is both foolish and extremely overstated and it would be wise of you to stop overreacting to those you disagree with.

 

[AlphaSSB]

At this point, is there really any harm in believing the box theory?

Go in with lower expectations, then you're prepared for it, and pleasantly surprised if things turns out better.

Go in with higher expectations, then you' may be disappointed when things turn out to be less than expected.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

1. Pictures have changed in the past does not mean the Cardboard Box cant be changed too. And every leak still standing lists three or more which is one above the box limit

2. When has nintendo not used hype to market a Smash game let alone any of their First Party games. The Hype Train flying into the sun with Reggie's Face is a meme for a reason

3. I don't care about being liked. If something smells rotten in denmark im gonna ask what stinks, and when a theory is silly im going to make fun of it.

Vergeben only (definitely) claims Ken and Incineroar though; any other characters are either unconfirmed or speculated.

If you're going to call a theory out at the very least use some actual evidence besides "muh hype" and miscellaneous opinions of yours'.

 

[Shroob]

They did explicitly state that they will reveal all of the base roster prior to release, unlike Melee, Brawl and Smash 4. They all had extra characters that weren't revealed in official material that were still playable.

Ultimate is the first time where this ISN'T the case.

So yes, I can see why everyone is expecting a big final reveal. That last reveal will be the last character in the base roster.

Even then, what did those two games end on otherwise?


Toon Link, Jigglypuff, ROB and Wolf?


Bowser Jr, Dr Mario, Dark Pit, Duck Hunt?


Even secret characters are arguably not 'hype' reveals if we're going by "WELL THE SECRET CHARACTERS WERE AT LEAST HYPE!"

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Not sure if this was already posted but here i come

Spoiler: SSBU Leaks

Hey guys,

I'm not going to reveal who I am except that I do in fact work for Nintendo. Believe this leak or not, but all of this will be over soon. The next Smash Ultimate Direct is October 16th. Anyway, let me tell you the newcomers.

Skull Kid (The Legend of Zelda)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Geno (Super Mario RPG)
Incineroar (Gen 7 Pokemon rep)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Steve? (Minecraft)
Banjo-Kazooie

Echos:
Ken echos Ryu (Street Fighter)
Shadow echos Sonic (Sonic)
Octolings echos inking (Splatoon)
Dixie Kong echos Diddy Kong (Donkey Kong)

Stages:
Planet Robotron
Forest Maze
Overworld
Gruntilda's Castle

There are talks about DLC. The only guaranteed person right now is Spring Man from Arms.

Now, let me tell you about Spirits Mode.
It's the only way to unlock the characters. You start out with the beginning roster for the 64, except no Mario, Link, Kirby, or Captain Falcon.

That's all I have to say. I will try to get an image or two to prove my point, but it's not likely.

Source: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77046493

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Another typical fake leak is typical.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Box Theory is actually very realistic when combined with recent info. If Vergeben is right about the SE rep, it may end up as DLC, unless Incineroar happens to be DLC for some reason.

Otherwise, the Box Theory probably just barely became true, with us getting one or two fighters on the back of the box (I say two because I want Steve or Banjo-Kazooie).

Probably. For all we know, there's actually 4 characters left, even that would be enough to disprove it.

I feel like Isabelle is proof we're not just getting big fan-requested characters from the general community.

While I acknowledge that, yes, there were a lot of people that wanted her and it's likely (if not 100% certain at this point) she received a lot of requests, the general Smash community seemed to not care, nor bother to put her on their fan-polls to my knowledge. There may be other characters that did well on the ballot that the general community would be surprised to see due to not much vocal support. Vergeben actually said Simon did surprisingly well on the ballot, though how his sources got that info I'm not sure; however, I'll note that in another gamefaqs thread he mentioned him being chosen to promote upcoming Castlevania games, though as we've learned the recently released one seems to be PS4-exclusive...

Spoiler: leaky leaks (it's not far down; about Simon and the ballot + other stuff)

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76614511?page=7

It's ironic how Simon isn't in the games he was meant to promote.

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

Well, I'm glad to see I'm not the person who said the dumbest thing today...

 

[Deleted member]

Even if the theory isn't true, I still don't think that means 8 plus unique characters. IMO Incineroar + MAYBE someone else and one or two more Echos with Ken are probably gonna be what happens if the box is wrong, and even if it's wrong, it pointed us in the right direction.

 

[T3Z3R1]

JPEG of a box that can never be changed at all, released more than three or possibly four, cant remember, months before the game releases. Even after the Banner image was changed three times, the Cover Art was changed after Ridley was introduced, and the fact that within the last Smash direct we got more than 2 characters. Plus a nintendo direct with at least 1. Even the most credible leakers remaining not only HAVE said they don't think Box theory is a thing.

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards. In spite of it spitting in the face of any logical sense.

Look you can say sakurais interview all you want but if the only characters left are Ken, an Echo, and Incineroar, a Base Breaker, do you REALLY think thats gonna be at all helpful to nintendo at all who's main market strategy at least since the wii has been, and currently is
HYPE
to put out a box that says nope two left, **** you?

Hence why I'm so hostile about box theory.

But go ahead and call me an idiot for comparing people who think a JPEG of a box is proof of smash is on the same level as people who think the earth is a coin on the back of a giant turtle.

Well there never is a WE in these sorts of things. Theres people who unirionically believe the Earth is Flat too.


Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

>Box theory as anti-hype theory

Really, man? Why did you decide to be hostile against box theorists? We know that box theory looks like it can come to be true, and I personally don't want it to be true but I can deal with final two: Ken and Incienroar in smash, and I can wait for DLC to be announced if it's possible at this stage.

Don't be **** here, please okay? Just accept the facts, we can always accept Shulk as final reveal of smash 4, and Olimar as final reveal of Brawl.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

At this point, is there really any harm in believing the box theory?

Go in with lower expectations, then you're prepared for it, and pleasantly surprised if things turns out better.

Go in with higher expectations, then you' may be disappointed when things turn out to be less than expected.

Exactly, I don't want the box theory to be true, and I am sure the same goes for some other believers, but I want to keep my expectations low. And hey, if we actually get 4 or more characters then that would be great for me.

 

[Pakky]

Ok so big rant incoming:
While i do agree we are not gonna get 2 Sonic newcomers,if there has to be one of Sonic's supporting casts imo IT HAS TO BE EGGMAN, (if he isnt in i will still respect Sakurai's decision) Here are a couple of reasons
1: He is one of Gaming's most iconic and biggest villains, he is one the same level as Bowser and far exceeds Ganon,Dedede and K.Rool in terms of recognition. I do think for Sonic characters Sakurai would at least CONSIDER HIM.
2: he is THE SONIC VILLAIN, while i understand that Shadow can be made much quicker and easier, i do think that the good doctor can fit in incredibly with the Heroes-Villains theme, think about it we got:
Mario-Bowser
Link-Ganon
DK-K.Rool
Kirby-Dedede,MK
and you are telling me Sonic-Shadow would be the best fit for one of Gaming's most recognizable and important characters AND NOT BRING IN THE GOOD DOCTOR, thats just disrespectful towards sonic's legacy
3: wouldnt it be cool to do a Mario-Sonic-Dk-Link V Bowser-Eggman-K.Rool-Ganon 8 Player Smash
4: He has TONS of moveset potential with all the mechs,equipment and Armies he has had over the Sonic Series, a FARCRY over the Echo and 'isabelling' ( giving tails the issabele treatment) that Shadow and/or Tails would have some people say some of his mechs are too big AND I SAY RIDLEY MADE IT IN SO SIZE NO LONGER MATTERS.
5: HE APPEARED IN THE 1ST GAME. it should be imo THE ORIGINAL 2 FROM SONIC 1.
6: We could even get an DR.Wily Echo fighter of him (or reverse idc too similair).
7: Sonic is really lacking Representation,(ik 3RD PARTY but no Mania stage come on) all we have is sonic as a character, Knuckles as an assist, and 2 stages thats IT, not even items.
Overall i really think Eggman has a lot more going for him to make it in then tails but Shadow is more likely.
9: I AM THE E.G.G.M.A.N... that justifies him completely

I mentioned this a while back but in terms of video game villain, there's no one in as much media as Eggman.

Shadow I get, but to be honest I couldn't care less about him. Do you need him for the series to go on? No.

Maina shows that a lot of the modern guys aren't needed. Which is... something to think about.

Though is he popular? Yes.

More than Eggman? My gut tells me, yes, but it doesn't feel correct.

 

[Potato_]

At this point, is there really any harm in believing the box theory?

Go in with lower expectations, then you're prepared for it, and pleasantly surprised if things turns out better.

Go in with higher expectations, then you' may be disappointed when things turn out to be less than expected.

There isn't. The only thing it really affects is speculation and you can still speculate if you want to.

Only problem is when box theorists talk down to people who are speculating in that manner, but that doesn't happen very often at all.

Even if you aren't fully on board with box theory, giving it some credence just ensures you aren't burned if it comes true later.

Is it just me or is this thread going in circles again

 

[Noipoi]

Not sure if this was already posted but here i come

Spoiler: SSBU Leaks

Hey guys,

I'm not going to reveal who I am except that I do in fact work for Nintendo. Believe this leak or not, but all of this will be over soon. The next Smash Ultimate Direct is October 16th. Anyway, let me tell you the newcomers.

Skull Kid (The Legend of Zelda)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Geno (Super Mario RPG)
Incineroar (Gen 7 Pokemon rep)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Steve? (Minecraft)
Banjo-Kazooie

Echos:
Ken echos Ryu (Street Fighter)
Shadow echos Sonic (Sonic)
Octolings echos inking (Splatoon)
Dixie Kong echos Diddy Kong (Donkey Kong)

Stages:
Planet Robotron
Forest Maze
Overworld
Gruntilda's Castle

There are talks about DLC. The only guaranteed person right now is Spring Man from Arms.

Now, let me tell you about Spirits Mode.
It's the only way to unlock the characters. You start out with the beginning roster for the 64, except no Mario, Link, Kirby, or Captain Falcon.

That's all I have to say. I will try to get an image or two to prove my point, but it's not likely.

Source: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77046493

This seems less like a leak and more like a wish list.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Eggman is honestly if anything going to be a boss.

 

[FirestormNeos]

Can someone please explain to me what Incineroar specifically has to do with the Box Theory? I understand Ken, but not Incineroar.

Faker than a three dollar bill, Capcom friggin BURIED the reboot Dante in the hole it crawled out of and made a real sequel.

and then they shot the real sequel's kneecaps off with a shotgun and made it walk home by putting microtransactions in it.

Edit: PS HEY BOX THEORISTS

is this loss?

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards.

Uh, speak for yourself, my dude.

 

[TheCJBrine]

If Verge is right about the SE rep and they're in base the theory's dead, simple. Not sure what the recent info is that supports the theory.

I was referring to Sakurai's statement on reveals slowing down; while it doesn't mean less newcomers, we only have two more months, though it's possible that newcomers get packed together.

Also, yes, if anymore newcomers other than just Ken and one other get put into base, Box Theory is dead; I was just noting how anymore possible third-parties may end up on the back of the box; of course, Simon didn't get put on the back, so idk, I'd rather the theory die because it seemed to make some character supporters decide to jump ship.

 

[Nekoo]

Look, I myself hate the **** out of this Box Theory but, if the SE rep is base game, nothing stop them to shove it in the back-
Especially if there steve two.

I say that, I say nothing.

Only true theory is that The SE Rep will be A moggle.

 

[cothero]

Not sure if this was already posted but here i come

Spoiler: SSBU Leaks

Hey guys,

I'm not going to reveal who I am except that I do in fact work for Nintendo. Believe this leak or not, but all of this will be over soon. The next Smash Ultimate Direct is October 16th. Anyway, let me tell you the newcomers.

Skull Kid (The Legend of Zelda)
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Geno (Super Mario RPG)
Incineroar (Gen 7 Pokemon rep)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Steve? (Minecraft)
Banjo-Kazooie

Echos:
Ken echos Ryu (Street Fighter)
Shadow echos Sonic (Sonic)
Octolings echos inking (Splatoon)
Dixie Kong echos Diddy Kong (Donkey Kong)

Stages:
Planet Robotron
Forest Maze
Overworld
Gruntilda's Castle

There are talks about DLC. The only guaranteed person right now is Spring Man from Arms.

Now, let me tell you about Spirits Mode.
It's the only way to unlock the characters. You start out with the beginning roster for the 64, except no Mario, Link, Kirby, or Captain Falcon.

That's all I have to say. I will try to get an image or two to prove my point, but it's not likely.

Source: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/77046493

Boring leak.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

All these leakers at this point I think are just seeking attention. Nothing more, nothing else trying to cash in on VergeBen.

 

[Deleted member]

JPEG of a box that can never be changed at all, released more than three or possibly four, cant remember, months before the game releases. Even after the Banner image was changed three times, the Cover Art was changed after Ridley was introduced, and the fact that within the last Smash direct we got more than 2 characters. Plus a nintendo direct with at least 1. Even the most credible leakers remaining not only HAVE said they don't think Box theory is a thing.

But no lets bring up for the 45th time the most anti hype theory on the face of smashboards. In spite of it spitting in the face of any logical sense.

Look you can say sakurais interview all you want but if the only characters left are Ken, an Echo, and Incineroar, a Base Breaker, do you REALLY think thats gonna be at all helpful to nintendo at all who's main market strategy at least since the wii has been, and currently is
HYPE
to put out a box that says nope two left, **** you?

Hence why I'm so hostile about box theory.

But go ahead and call me an idiot for comparing people who think a JPEG of a box is proof of smash is on the same level as people who think the earth is a coin on the back of a giant turtle.

It certainly isnt Ryu in a Blonde wig whos picture may fit on a picture of a cardboard box with more pictures.

Regardless of wether or not you find the theory “un-hype”, there’s absolutely no excuse for you comparing people who follow it to something absolutely absurd and nothing alike like you did.

Are you an 11 or 12 year old? Because you’re certainly displaying the attitude and logic of one.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Ken is one of the most iconic video game characters out there.

Pokémon is the highest grossing media franchise of all time, and Sun and Moon sold over 16 million copies.

Ken and Inceneroar would get plenty of people hype.

 

[Pakky]

Eggman is honestly if anything going to be a boss.

But why?

There's Bio Lizard, Chaos, Metal Sonic, Silver, Mecha Sonic, Slive Sonic, Black Doom (Jesus that's a horrible name, ew), and Neo Metal Sonic.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Look, I myself hate the **** out of this Box Theory but, if the SE rep is base game, nothing stop them to shove it in the back-
Especially if there steve two.

I say that, I say nothing.

Only true theory is that The SE Rep will be A moggle.

>Moggle instead of Moogle

Fake fan right here /s.

I agree with those saying that even if Box Theory is wrong, we shouldn't expect more than six characters at best. Ken and Incineroar are practically locks, and fill out the sides of the box. Best case scenario we put Steve/Microsoft Rep and the SE Rep on the back on the box.

Another interesting play on Box Theory is placing other Third Parties (like Sonic & Snake) on the back of the box, and seeing how that could change things.

 

[PsySmasher]

Even then, what did those two games end on otherwise?


Toon Link, Jigglypuff, ROB and Wolf?


Bowser Jr, Dr Mario, Dark Pit, Duck Hunt?


Even secret characters are arguably not 'hype' reveals if we're going by "WELL THE SECRET CHARACTERS WERE AT LEAST HYPE!"

Fair point.

But the fact that Sakurai himself emphasized that all the characters will be revealed before launch will cause people to assume that the last reveal will be a big one.

I don't necessarily believe it, but I do understand why other people would be inclined to believe it.

 

[amazonevan19]

similar to the prima leak - unbelievable and ridiculous, especially given that we're not going to get tons more characters

 

[Michael the Spikester]

But why?

There's Bio Lizard, Chaos, Metal Sonic, Silver, Mecha Sonic, Slive Sonic.

Well for one he's one of gamings most iconic third party villains as well as recognizable gaming villains and I can imagine a boss fight working with him being in one of his mechs. The reason Shadow would be pick over him as a playable character is due to how easy he could be done as an Echo on top of his popularity whereas Eggman would require an entirely different unique moveset.

Also why would Silver be a boss? He's not even a villain to begin with.

 

[Deleted member]

Ken is one of the most iconic video game characters out there.

Pokémon is the highest grossing media franchise of all time, and Sun and Moon sold over 16 million copies.

Ken and Inceneroar would get plenty of people hype.

Exactly. Just because some (myself included) don't like Ken doesn't mean there aren't people who like him and will be excited for him. Same goes for Incineroar.

Everyone has their own tastes.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Can someone please explain to me what Incineroar specifically has to do with the Box Theory? I understand Ken, but not Incineroar.



and then they shot the real sequel's kneecaps off with a shotgun and made it walk home by putting microtransactions in it.

Long story short, V For Vendetta leaked Incineroar and Ken, meaning they're supposedly the two characters that fit the two empty slots on the box.

Also, wasn't it said that the microtransactions turned out to be optional anyway?

 

[Pakky]

Well for one he's one of gamings most iconic third party villains as well as recognizable gaming villains and I can imagine a boss fight working with him being in one of his mechs. The reason Shadow would be pick over him as a playable character is due to how easy he could be done as an Echo on top of his popularity whereas Eggman would require an entirely different unique moveset.

Also why would Silver be a boss? He's not even a villain to begin with.

That's why you put him on the roster, not just as a boss. Could you imagine Bowser as a boss and not as a playable fighter?

Also, Boss doesn't really equal bad guy.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

That's why you put him on the roster, not just as a boss.

I already explained why Shadow would be chosen over him. Again he can be implemented as an Echo of Sonic which requires not much time on top of his popularity whereas Eggman requires a new unique moveset. I think by giving Eggman at least a boss role would significantly show his importance as said video game villain.

 

[Nekoo]

I mean, like legit, how is it hard to just descredit every leak that give the SE rep name without proof?
If Hitagi and Vergeben both say that the SE-rep is danger zone, to the point of Vergeben "soft-confirming" that SE employee get fake names and trap names and that Nintendo play along by keeping that rep a secret and that Jobs are on the line power 100 compared to the previous leaks.

Do you really think it's going to be a random nobody who will get it's name especially with how secretive they are?
Like legit, they didn't ""protect"" Simon, Ridley, Snake, Ice Climbers, Incineroar, Isabelle, Ken. But protect the **** out of that Square-Enix characters.

 

[FirestormNeos]

Long story short, V For Vendetta leaked Incineroar and Ken, meaning they're supposedly the two characters that fit the two empty slots on the box.

Also, wasn't it said that the microtransactions turned out to be optional anyway?

Whomst is V for Vendetta? And more importantly, does their name indicate that the final smash trailer will be on the Fifth of November?

All microtransactions are "optional."

 

[Pakky]

I already explained why Shadow would be chosen over him. Again he can be implemented as an Echo of Sonic whereas Eggman requires a new unique moveset. I think by giving Eggman at least a boss role would significantly show his importance as said video game villain.

Who's to say that hasn't happened already?

I know we take statements at face value but really you shouldn't.

 

[lightdrago]

Whomst is V for Vendetta? And more importantly, does their name indicate that the final smash trailer will be on the Fifth of November?

V is for Vergeben.

He leaked Incineroar and Ken, which lines up with the missing slot on the box and Corrin's pushed up slot. His SE rep, however, puts a little dent in the theory, but some people believe that the SE rep is DLC.