Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Noipoi]

You know, I never realized how weird congratulation screens were in 64.

Like these:

What if we got congratulation screens like these back?

Edit: @Zinith, do you understand the Yoshi one?

I wanna see screens like this for every character now.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

https://play.nintendo.com/activities/polls/nintendo-switch-road-trip-fun-poll/

Weird that all of these characters are in Smash except one.

Yup, they're in.

 

[UberMadman]

Looking at Smash U's roster, only characters to not be fromoted from a previous gameplay role are King K. Rool and the Belmonts.

Inklings were costumes, Ridley was a boss, Daisy was Peach's alt, Isabelle and Dark Samus were assists and Chrom was part of Robin's final Smash.

Not sure what that means but let's keep an eye on the characters who had roles previously...

I don't think anyone responded correcting this from what I've seen, so let me just say that King K. Rool was also a DLC costume in Smash 4:

So the Belmonts are the only characters in this game not repped in Smash 4 at the moment. Presumably, this will change when we get Incineroar. Worth noting that Ken got a trophy in Smash 4, and was the only Street Fighter trophy other than Ryu's various trophies.

 

[Deleted member]

The only people that are complaining about DMCV's microtransactions are people who've never played DMC4SE or have long since forgotten since then that they don't do jack diddly squat to help you with the game. That or people jumping on an outrage bandwagon without actually doing any research.

It is basically the equivalent of paying real money for a piddly amount of exp points in a singleplayer game.

If you think having Roulette Spin is going to help you beat Credo, I have some very, very unfortunate news for you. I'd like to remind you that there is an entire style in DMC3,4, and V, that revolves around one move, blocking.
Here's a suggestion, if you think the microtransactions are going to hamper your experience of the game, ask someone who's played DMC4SE if their experience was changed with the existence of microtransactions, or better yet, play it yourself.

Watch as those kind of people complaining about DMC 5 now and then it releases and it turns out be absolutely amazing and they shut their mouths the hell up.

Always take what the Outrage Machine says with a grain of salt.

 

[Knight Dude]

Ex-****ing-actly. That and Mario Maker are the two games that should be on the Switch

Don't forget the Wonderful 101. That game should get a second chance too.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I wanna see screens like this for every character now.

I just wanna see DK’s butt in HD

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

You know, I never realized how weird congratulation screens were in 64.

Like these:

What if we got congratulation screens like these back?

Edit: @Zinith, do you understand the Yoshi one?

I missed those. It's a wonder that for how low budget 64 was, it still managed to have these.

 

[Iridium]

I wanna see screens like this for every character now.

Samus has an interesting one too:

Well, you can see her face, faintly. Especially the blond hair.

 

[ZenythSmash]

Well isnt it Obvious, Terry-ette jk

ahhhh, i wish i could hug Terry <3

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I don't think anyone responded correcting this from what I've seen, so let me just say that King K. Rool was also a DLC costume in Smash 4:

So the Belmonts are the only characters in this game not repped in Smash 4 at the moment. Presumably, this will change when we get Incineroar. Worth noting that Ken got a trophy in Smash 4, and was the only Street Fighter trophy other than Ryu's various trophies.

I knew I was forgetting something.

 

[DraginHikari]

The only thing the Box theory has done really to dull out the conversation surrounding Smash Ultimate which was an inevitable to closer to the release when things become more define in general. It's not so much a problem as just the reality of things.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Watch as those kind of people complaining about DMC 5 now and then it releases and it turns out be absolutely amazing and they shut their mouths the hell up.

Always take what the Outrage Machine says with a grain of salt.

And this is why you don't use a previous game's contents/actions surrounding it affect your opinion of a later game. One did poor microtransactions. Doesn't mean the other will.

Of course, it doesn't mean you shouldn't be weary of the idea of a sequel using it too. That's fair. It's a factor to look at when deciding to buy a game. But sometimes those factors aren't as important as one would think.

 

[Knight Dude]

All this Incineroar hate from westerners who dont know any better. We really are such uncultured swine to not recognize

this

especially after we got this

based on the same source

Edit: Fixed broken image link

I named my team in Pokemon Sun after Fighting Game characters, and Icineroar was called Armor King. I had a Poliwrath named Sub-Zero, ect ect.

 

[Iridium]

And here's all of the ending screens:

They're a handful. Some of them look cool (Link, Pikachu, Samus), and some look stupid (DK, Yoshi). I still don't get Yoshi's, or why it looks like he just died.

 

[KingofKoopas]

I named my team in Pokemon Sun after Fighting Game characters, and Icineroar was called Armor King. I had a Poliwrath named Sub-Zero, ect ect.

Theres a little more to it, King I is also inspired by a real life Lucha Libre wrestler, the same one that inspired the Jack Black movie Nacho Libre (Yes its based on a true story), so King is a very layered reference. Hence one of my guys in every tekken game. But thats neither here nor there.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Well isnt it Obvious, Terry-ette jk

I still wonder how SNK decided to do Rule 63: The Game.

I thnk his '13 style is closest to what is considered his modern appearance, and I could totally see him entering Smash with it. His Garou: MotW look is quite unique for him though, and I think it would make for an awesome alternate costume for him.

Though Fatal Fury is where he originates from, he's one of the primary faces of the King of Fighters franchise now, so I could see him having the gameplay from that series more than any other. He would make for a great counterpart to Ken as well, considering they've been friendly rivals in the Capcom vs. SNK games, where they even share a special intro before they fight:

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On this thought, I'd really love if other fighters in Ultimate shared special openings with each other, as unlikely as that is to happen. That would be really awesome if it could be done though, and would help bring out each character's personality more outside of a potential story mode.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai does it eventually. We've had openings, taunts, multiple taunts and updated facial animations, so this is the next logical step.

Huh? I remember reading that they just couldn't find a way to fit Mario in without it feeling forced; they did at least get to use Bowser.

It still irks me how Dr. Wily was taken out due to how Capcom treated Mega Man at the time, but at least we got a neat bit with Zangief out of it.

The only thing the Box theory has done really to dull out the conversation surrounding Smash Ultimate which was an inevitable to closer to the release when things become more define in general. It's not so much a problem as just the reality of things.

Yeah, but at least previous games had more than two unrevealed characters by the time the rosters leaked. A really small number is what kills speculation.

 

[amazonevan19]

I don't think the box theory killed speculation or should be blamed for doing so. Sakurai's interview changed the whole ballgame and I think the fact that people are having their sky high expectations come crashing to earth is what's killing discussion.

I myself am somewhere in the middle. Seeing as Sakurai already said "don't expect too many newcomers" at the start of the smash ultimate cycle and we've already gotten a good number (counting echoes), he could be doing slight purposeful understatement. I'm sure he has a few exciting tricks up his sleeves. But he definitely wanted to stop 100 character roster for base game type speculations.

 

[Noipoi]

And here's all of the ending screens:

They're a handful. Some of them look cool (Link, Pikachu, Samus), and some look stupid (DK, Yoshi). I still don't get Yoshi's, or why it looks like he just died.

Jeez, could you control your ego for a second Captain Falcon?

 

[Knight Dude]

The only people that are complaining about DMCV's microtransactions are people who've never played DMC4SE or have long since forgotten since then that they don't do jack diddly squat to help you with the game. That or people jumping on an outrage bandwagon without actually doing any research.

It is basically the equivalent of paying real money for a piddly amount of exp points in a singleplayer game.

If you think having Roulette Spin is going to help you beat Credo, I have some very, very unfortunate news for you. I'd like to remind you that there is an entire style in DMC3,4, and V, that revolves around one move, blocking.
Here's a suggestion, if you think the microtransactions are going to hamper your experience of the game, ask someone who's played DMC4SE if their experience was changed with the existence of microtransactions, or better yet, play it yourself.

I've played the Original DMC4 and got new moves at a reasonable pace(Though I had trouble switching to Dante after using Nero for so long), DMC5 seems to be the same way. I doubt that microtransactions are needed, and I never heard many people complain about DMC4SE needing them for any of the characters.

I hate that they are in, but it's in such an unobtrusive way unless you're complete trash at the game, and even if you are(like me)you'll get the hang of it eventually.

 

[MainJPW]

But why?

There's Bio Lizard, Chaos, Metal Sonic, Silver, Mecha Sonic, Slive Sonic, Black Doom (Jesus that's a horrible name, ew), and Neo Metal Sonic.

Silver Sonic is too small to be a boss.

And what the hell is a “Black Doom”? Sounds dirty.

 

[Luigi The President]

Silver Sonic is too small to be a boss.

And what the hell is a “Black Doom”? Sounds dirty.

Main antagonist of Shadow the Hedgehog.

 

[MainJPW]

Main antagonist of Shadow the Hedgehog.

I know...but does Sega remember that thing?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Black Doom”

Black Doom is the antagonist of Shadow the Hedgehog.

 

[Pakky]

I don't think anyone responded correcting this from what I've seen, so let me just say that King K. Rool was also a DLC costume in Smash 4:

So the Belmonts are the only characters in this game not repped in Smash 4 at the moment. Presumably, this will change when we get Incineroar. Worth noting that Ken got a trophy in Smash 4, and was the only Street Fighter trophy other than Ryu's various trophies.

Also Rayman

Why model the hands for rigging if he's just going to be a static trophy?

Why model him at all really?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I myself am somewhere in the middle. Seeing as Sakurai already said "don't expect too many newcomers" at the start of the smash ultimate cycle and we've already gotten a good number (counting echoes), he could be doing slight purposeful understatement. I'm sure he has a few exciting tricks up his sleeves. But he definitely wanted to stop 100 character roster for base game type speculations.

I wonder if he read ballot entries that kept saying "I want like 20+ newcomers but here's the one I want most".

Also Rayman

Why model the hands for rigging if he's just going to be a static trophy?

Why model him at all really?

That, friend, is what they call "art for art's sake". I mean, imagine how much time it took for Origins and Legends to have been made with the aesthetics they have.

 

[Idon]

Also Rayman

Why model the hands for rigging if he's just going to be a static trophy?

Why model him at all really?

Because this was not-so-subtle hint by Ubisoft saying that they want their pride and joy mascot to be a playable character in Smash when they sent the model over. Course, Nintendo had other plans.

 

[Knight Dude]

Theres a little more to it, King I is also inspired by a real life Lucha Libre wrestler, the same one that inspired the Jack Black movie Nacho Libre (Yes its based on a true story), so King is a very layered reference. Hence one of my guys in every tekken game. But thats neither here nor there.

I know about that, the real life Priest who would wrestle to make money for the orphanage. That's were King worked in Tekken, and King II, being one of the orphans the first took care of taking up his mantle.

 

[amazonevan19]

Putting in Black Doom but not Shadow? Black Doom was only ever relevant in the Shadow game 13 years ago and never used again after that.

Eggman makes the most sense for a Sonic villain but he'll probably be a boss. Knuckles is the best pick for a newcomer imo but he's assist, leaving Tails as the next best newcomer and Shadow as an echo. What path do you all think Sakurai is going to take...a harder path (making a new character) that will piss off Shadow fans, or the easy route that will please the larger part of the Sonic fanbase and makes the most sense to promote the echoes concept even further? I'm not opposed to Tails (in fact, I'd like for him to be in), but thinking both he and Shadow will get in is very wishful thinking IMO. DLC maybe.

Sakurai could likely not put any new sonic character in base and have one or both Shadow and Tails as DLC. But I'd hope for Shadow as base echo and Tails as DLC newcomer as the best outcome

Edit: Forgot a word

 

[MainJPW]

Black Doom is the antagonist of Shadow the Hedgehog.

I got the game when it originally released. Black Doom, though...when was the last time Sega acknowledged him? Even Zavok is more memorable.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I know about that, the real life Priest who would wrestle to make money for the orphanage. That's were King worked in Tekken, and King II, being one of the orphans the first took care of taking up his mantle.

And adding to that, in the Tiger Mask mythos, Naoto Date helps an orphanage as well.

 

[KingofKoopas]

I know about that, the real life Priest who would wrestle to make money for the orphanage. That's were King worked in Tekken, and King II, being one of the orphans the first took care of taking up his mantle.

And the original Tiger Mask was an orphan who became a heel Wrestler that went face after an orphan from his orphange wanted to become a villain, correct me if im wrong but doesnt King II have that to his backstory as well?

 

[Noipoi]

I got the game when it originally released. Black Doom, though...when was the last time Sega acknowledged him? Even Zavok is more memorable.

I only remember the Zeni because the green one is hot.

 

[Deleted member]

*sigh*...So, shenanigans aside, would anyone care to rate this hypothetical DLC lineup?

Hypothetical DLC Characters:
Unique Newcomers: 9
Rex & Pyra (Xenoblade)
Spring Man (ARMS)
Issac (Golden Sun)
Skull Kid (Legend of Zelda)
Sylux (Metroid)
Eldeguard (Fire Emblem)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Monster Hunter (Monster Hunter)

Echoes: 5
Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)
Impa (Legend of Zelda)
Ribbon Girl (ARMS)
Octoling (Splatoon)
Viridi (Kid Icarus)

Total DLC Fighter Count: 14

 

[KingofKoopas]

I got the game when it originally released. Black Doom, though...when was the last time Sega acknowledged him? Even Zavok is more memorable.

Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) sits at a funny place. Everything that happened in it for Shadow (the end of the amnesia storyline, him becoming a GUN Agent, the Commander's existance) all carried over from that game, but because everyone likes to meme on it Sega themselves slipped it into the Spinoff category.
Honestly, the game gets alot more hate than it deserves, Out of the Adventure generation of games it was probably the one that aged the most gracefully and was a pretty decent game still to this day, but ya know Edgehog

IT also helps in its favor the next game right after it was a dumpster fire, and now Sonic Boom exists.

 

[Idon]

*sigh*...So, shenanigans aside, would anyone care to rate this hypothetical DLC lineup?

Hypothetical DLC Characters:
Unique Newcomers: 9
Rex & Pyra (Xenoblade)
Spring Man (ARMS)
Issac (Golden Sun)
Skull Kid (Legend of Zelda)
Sylux (Metroid)
Three Houses Character (Fire Emblem)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Monster Hunter (Monster Hunter)

Echoes: 5
Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)
Impa (Legend of Zelda)
Ribbon Girl (ARMS)
Octoling (Splatoon)
Viridi (Kid Icarus)

Total DLC Fighter Count: 14

I'd prefer a concrete Fire Emblem character as opposed to "3 Houses" guy, but other than that, it seems like that'd please a lot of people.

 

[Iridium]

I've been rewatching glitches, and I wonder. Has anybody here fell victim to this?

Edit: Or seen it?

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

I got the game when it originally released. Black Doom, though...when was the last time Sega acknowledged him? Even Zavok is more memorable.

SEGA doesn't really want anybody to remember Black Doom, he was barred from making a physical appearance in the comics. When the reboot came around writer Ian Flynn had to make a successor for him just to use the Black Arms finally.

A fun bit of trivia for you: Black Doom's English VA Sean Schemmel is also the voice of Lucario from Smash 4 onwards.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Shadow the Hedgehog (the game) sits at a funny place. Everything that happened in it for Shadow (the end of the amnesia storyline, him becoming a GUN Agent, the Commander's existance) all carried over from that game, but because everyone likes to meme on it Sega themselves slipped it into the Spinoff category.
Honestly, the game gets alot more hate than it deserves, Out of the Adventure generation of games it was probably the one that aged the most gracefully and was a pretty decent game still to this day, but ya know Edgehog

IT also helps in its favor the next game right after it was a dumpster fire, and now Sonic Boom exists.

And it gave us a pretty good DAMN FOURTH meme.

SEGA doesn't really want anybody to remember Black Doom, he was barred from making a physical appearance in the comics. When the reboot came around writer Ian Flynn had to make a successor for him just to use the Black Arms finally.

A fun bit of trivia for you: Black Doom's English VA Sean Schemmel is also the voice of Lucario from Smash 4 onwards.

It's telling that the successor actually had a more daring name (Black Death).

*sigh*...So, shenanigans aside, would anyone care to rate this hypothetical DLC lineup?

Hypothetical DLC Characters:
Unique Newcomers: 9
Rex & Pyra (Xenoblade)
Spring Man (ARMS)
Issac (Golden Sun)
Skull Kid (Legend of Zelda)
Sylux (Metroid)
Three Houses Character (Fire Emblem)
Bandana Waddle Dee (Kirby)
Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Monster Hunter (Monster Hunter)

Echoes: 5
Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)
Impa (Legend of Zelda)
Ribbon Girl (ARMS)
Octoling (Splatoon)
Viridi (Kid Icarus)

Total DLC Fighter Count: 14

I'd give it a 7. Though with the way Viridi works in Reset Bomb Forest, I'm not sure if Sakurai would go to the effort of removing her image.

 

[ZephyrZ]

1. Pictures have changed in the past does not mean the Cardboard Box cant be changed too.

I know. I agreed with that point. That's not what the box theory is arguing.

Did you even read my post?

Edit: Just saw the mod post on the previous page. Sorry for bringing it back up.

 

[MainJPW]

It's telling that the successor actually had a more daring name (Black Death).

He also had a way better design.