Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Michael the Spikester]

I mean you could make an argument that Pyra/Mythra alone could work, but I feel like if Sakurai adds them he'll play around with the affinity line mechanic.

I really like the idea of Rex & Pyra. I don't think they'll be Base but DLC and the idea of how they could work is being like a mix of Ice Climbers and Pokemon Trainer.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Characters like Sora, Crash, and Spyro, as much as I like to see them, are mostly rooted in the PlayStation with some Nintendo crossover. And then we have the Angry Video Game Nerd and Lester the Unlikely, who each have distant chances at making it in.

For what it's worth, AVGN remains relevant (and I don't think Lester's developer even exists anymore), even if the Adventures sequel is on computers only. His cussing would have to be censored six ways to Sunday, however.

 

[Will]

I think he was referring to the Ryota/Lloyd renders, not the Agnes et al renders.

He mentioned both.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Given how the fanbase abuses Original the Hedgehog a fair bit, I'd say it's a case of us not having nice things because of things some dumb folks did.

Granted, it doesn't explain why Bamco is as stingy with Pac-Man. At least give us a Ms. Pac-Man Echo or something!

oh **** forgot about him

like, say what you want about Sonic's alts, but at least some of them are in different shades of blue.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Hmmm, it couldn't hurt to talk about something new. Let's say you literally are the character you main in SSBU. You can do anything that character can do in SSBU (moves, taunts, victory poses, etc.). What would you do knowing that?

I'd be seeking out creatures with phenomenal cosmic power and shoving them into itty-bitty little living spaces.

 

[MaestroDavros]

An alternate skin looking like a default skin is NOTHING compared to one playable character looking like another.
Why do you think the costume for or the costume for got removed?

It does when the basic argument about why Ninten can't be included is, because barring a redesign, if a default Ness and a default Ninten appeared on the stage at the same time the players would get confused, and because of that Ninten can't be in the game (again, unless he is redesigned, which I personally have no problem with). It's just a flimsy argument when the same thing can happen with Falcon, and it's arguably even worse because it's a pallet swap (at least a different character would have minor differences and a different portrait for instance).

The fact that Falcon's issue is about one character having two incredibly similar pallets vs. 2 separate characters having similar looking default pallets is irrelevant.

Yes Sakurai did remove those 2 pallets, but only because the characters they were based on were now in the game (in one case is the echo of the original character, i.e. Samus/Dark Samus). Because Ninten isn't based on Ness (it's the other way around) there would be no reason to change any of Ness' pallets unless Sakurai truly wanted to.

This would have been a better example:

god these alts are so awful. Why the **** is SEGA so stingy about this.

Actually yes that's a much better example, or Pac-Man (EDIT: got partly 'd on that lol). Thanks!

I just get annoyed when people come up with arbitrary "rules" on things when there are clear examples of things being otherwise. What's worse is when those misconceptions spread and become like gospel.

 

[NintenZ]

The rabbit hole is going deeper with this leak.

For those wondering this image is actually enhanced quality so it’s easier to see what’s behind the watermark, the original one is actually really hard to see cause it’s so dark.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

oh **** forgot about him

like, say what you want about Sonic's alts, but at least some of them are in different shades of blue.

HEY.

Don't you DARE insult Oven Mitts Pac-Man. That's the best alt in the game. Period.

 

[Jim_Puff]

Wait, has there been another "leak?" You guys keep throwing around the name Ryota, was something else uploaded or something?

 

[Slavic]

I really like the idea of Rex & Pyra. I don't think they'll be Base but DLC and the idea of how they could work is being like a mix of Ice Climbers and Pokemon Trainer.

I also like the idea of Rex & Pyra

...

good thing there's other characters in Xeno2 that do (mostly) the same thing

 

[Peridorito]

Fun idea: Let's think of different ways the room in the next direct could hint at characters.

Geno would be a doll obviously

Isaac could be possibly some sun decoration.

Bandana Dee could be a spear?

Paper Mario would be paper.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

The rabbit hole is going deeper with this leak.
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For those wondering this image is actually enhanced quality so it’s easier to see what’s behind the watermark, the original one is actually really hard to see cause it’s so dark.

Where the hell is this from?

 

[DarkFalcon]

Huh, okay. So I read your messages and then went googling some gameplay and I understand what you mean now. That makes a lot of sense, actually. Probably should've looked into it before hand. So basically just having Rex or just having Pyra or this blonde lady would be a bit of a mishandling of their characters, gotcha.

I mean, you can still make an argument for just Pyra/Mythra, as they can fight without Rex, so it wouldn't be too out of character, but I think most people make that argument because they don't really like Rex.

 

[MBRedboy31]

oh **** forgot about him

like, say what you want about Sonic's alts, but at least some of them are in different shades of blue.

Why don’t they, at the absolute very least, use the blue PAC-MAN from the co-op mode of the Switch version of PAC-MAN Championship Edition 2?

 

[Danpal65]

The rabbit hole is going deeper with this leak.
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For those wondering this image is actually enhanced quality so it’s easier to see what’s behind the watermark, the original one is actually really hard to see cause it’s so dark.

You can see that it is painted on a canvas. Why would this be a physical painting and not done digitally?

Also. It isn't a leak it's a rumour at best, but most likely a fake.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

The rabbit hole is going deeper with this leak.
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For those wondering this image is actually enhanced quality so it’s easier to see what’s behind the watermark, the original one is actually really hard to see cause it’s so dark.

Where the hell did that come from? That...actually kinda looks real.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

HEY.

Don't you DARE insult Oven Mitts Pac-Man. That's the best alt in the game. Period.

I mean I'll say this much, thats my favorite alt for PAC-MAN but then again... that isn't really saying much...

 

[Shroob]

The rabbit hole is going deeper with this leak.
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For those wondering this image is actually enhanced quality so it’s easier to see what’s behind the watermark, the original one is actually really hard to see cause it’s so dark.

Now that render, for as little as we can see of it, looks pretty good.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Hmmm, it couldn't hurt to talk about something new. Let's say you literally are the character you main in SSBU. You can do anything that character can do in SSBU (moves, taunts, victory poses, etc.). What would you do knowing that?

Ummm.....pick creatures out of the ground, make juice and fuel.....try to get the hell out of dodge.

 

[Jim_Puff]

I mean, you can still make an argument for just Pyra/Mythra, as they can fight without Rex, so it wouldn't be too out of character, but I think most people make that argument because they don't really like Rex.

Yeah that makes sense, thanks for the info! They look like cool enough characters, so either way I wouldn't mind! I probably should play Xenoblade one of these days...

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

Why don’t they, at the absolute very least, use the blue PAC-MAN from the co-op mode of the Switch version of PAC-MAN Championship Edition 2?

hell give us a PAC-MAN alt themed after the ghosts' color scheme when he grabs a Power Pellet
like seriously there are so many opportunities being missed here

 

[Iridium]

HEY.

Don't you DARE insult Oven Mitts Pac-Man. That's the best alt in the game. Period.

Ironically, when I play Pac-Man, that's the alt I use. Huh.

 

[NintenZ]

Where the hell is this from?

Where the hell did that come from? That...actually kinda looks real.

I’m currently trying to track down the source, from the watermark it seems the site is pretty self-explanatory, but I’m gonna do my best to ask for it’s origin.

 

[Zinith]

Yeah that makes sense, thanks for the info! They look like cool enough characters, so either way I wouldn't mind! I probably should play Xenoblade one of these days...

You can't go wrong with any of the 3 games. You can dive in wherever you want....

 

[DarkFalcon]

Where the hell did that come from? That...actually kinda looks real.

I need someone to debunk this quick. I refuse to believe something so good.

 

[Dee Dude]

The rabbit hole is going deeper with this leak.
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For those wondering this image is actually enhanced quality so it’s easier to see what’s behind the watermark, the original one is actually really hard to see cause it’s so dark.

....Nothing can describe how bad I want that to be real.

 

[Dukeofdeath5]

I’m currently trying to track down the source, from the watermark it seems the site is pretty self-explanatory, but I’m gonna do my best to ask for it’s origin.

Mysterious Banjo render behind a watermark....

 

[NintenZ]

You can see that it is painted on a canvas. Why would this be a physical painting and not done digitally?

There’s nothing to suggest that it’s a canvas, it’s too blurred to make out if it’s on one but judging from the original screenshot this appears to be three-dimensional:

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I’m currently trying to track down the source, from the watermark it seems the site is pretty self-explanatory, but I’m gonna do my best to ask for it’s origin.

Can you at least tell me where you originally found it? It's not on 4chan or GameFAQs.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

OK even if this Banjo & Kazooie leak ends up fake I still want that render
it looks good

 

[NintenZ]

Can you at least tell me where you originally found it? It's not on 4chan or GameFAQs.

It was originally found on the Smash Underdog’s Discord server by Aussie, while the enhanced image was found on Twitter.

I’ve reached out to both of the users for answers.

 

[PlasmaDam]

I think Shantae won't be in smash ultimate as a playable character

 

[CosmicQuark]

The rabbit hole is going deeper with this leak.
View attachment 161077
For those wondering this image is actually enhanced quality so it’s easier to see what’s behind the watermark, the original one is actually really hard to see cause it’s so dark.

Where the hell did that come from? That...actually kinda looks real.

Really? It's an extended version of one I found and posted earlier, though everyone said fake. Tried looking it up, but can't find my post. EDIT: NintenZ posted it--thanks!

 

[Jetsurge]

This would have been a better example:

god these alts are so awful. Why the **** is SEGA so stingy about this.

WTF Why is the silver alt blue now? IT'S NO USE!

 

[MaestroDavros]

HEY.

Don't you DARE insult Oven Mitts Pac-Man. That's the best alt in the game. Period.

THANK YOU!

Although you have to call him by his proper name; that's "Muffin-Pac-Man" to you.

 

[Iridium]

There’s nothing to suggest that it’s a canvas, it’s too blurred to make out if it’s on one but judging from the original screenshot this appears to be three-dimensional:
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I'll give it 45 minutes.

 

[Nethermoosen]

Well, maybe bad time to bring this up with that new image of BK, but I noticed no one seemed to talk about the Rayman cloud in K. Rool’s reveal. I mean...chairs discussed at length, but not the Rayman cloud?

 

[Danpal65]

There’s nothing to suggest that it’s a canvas, it’s too blurred to make out if it’s on one but judging from the original screenshot this appears to be three-dimensional:
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Oh that's a mistake on my part then. I think what I'm seeing as a canvas texture on that other image is the screen.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I'd just like to remind people to never forget about the following image.

As for Banjo, why do we only see part of the image? Why can't this mysterious "leaker" show the full thing?

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Banjo & Kazooie: There'd be a blurry book in the background...

Oh..

In all seriousness, backpack would be the obvious choice. Less obvious would be a hexagonal cupboard in the background, resembling a honeycomb.

It could be even more obvious