Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

[Deleted member]

Homura from Senran Kagura?

Homura from Madoka Magica.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Here's a fun disappointing game to prep us all for the next infodump:

Sakurai shows of your absolute #1 most wanted character...as an assist trophy. It's a gorgeous model, they have a lot of attacks and act almost like a real character, but are stuck in the assist box. Sakurai also takes that opportunity to show off a beautifully detailed Mii costume for them as well.

How do you take it?

Me - that's making the Dragonborn an assist. I'd be a bit bummed if he's not playable, but just having Skyrim content would be awesome. Plus, I'd actually have a reason to play the Miis then. And I could still get some great pictures in the gallery mode as well.

Dillon's trophy really good use an update. As it is right now, everyone thinks he's just a Sonic knock off. Throw in his claw attack at the very least!

And I'd hate to say it but Type: Knoll and Silvally will probanly make more sense as pokeballs than fighters anyway. Don't know how their mii costumes would work though. Maybe just add a Gladion costume instead?

 

[PeridotGX]

Here's a fun disappointing game to prep us all for the next infodump:

Sakurai shows of your absolute #1 most wanted character...as an assist trophy. It's a gorgeous model, they have a lot of attacks and act almost like a real character, but are stuck in the assist box. Sakurai also takes that opportunity to show off a beautifully detailed Mii costume for them as well.

How do you take it?

Me - that's making the Dragonborn an assist. I'd be a bit bummed if he's not playable, but just having Skyrim content would be awesome. Plus, I'd actually have a reason to play the Miis then. And I could still get some great pictures in the gallery mode as well.

TBH if it gets Marx in the game at all I'm happy. Kinda confused as to how the Mii costume works though.

 

[StormC]

Here's a fun disappointing game to prep us all for the next infodump:

Sakurai shows of your absolute #1 most wanted character...as an assist trophy. It's a gorgeous model, they have a lot of attacks and act almost like a real character, but are stuck in the assist box. Sakurai also takes that opportunity to show off a beautifully detailed Mii costume for them as well.

How do you take it?

Me - that's making the Dragonborn an assist. I'd be a bit bummed if he's not playable, but just having Skyrim content would be awesome. Plus, I'd actually have a reason to play the Miis then. And I could still get some great pictures in the gallery mode as well.

I’d be a bit bummed about Banjo, but happy he’s in the game in some form.

 

[Deleted member]

Yep! And to add to that, I'd much prefer Gardevoir and Gothitelle over a Gen 7 Pokémon

To be honest, same. If we're getting a new Pokemon, I would like something unconventional and surprising.

 

[lightdrago]

If there were to be a Gen III Rep, I’d believe it to be Sceptile. He had a bit of a following during 4’s release after Sakurai revealed Greninja and solo Charizard. Plus, he was one of Ash’s strongest Pokemon in the anime.

In fact, Grovyle would be a viable Gen III Rep as well, considering the role he plays in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon.

 

[praline]

Here's a fun disappointing game to prep us all for the next infodump:

Sakurai shows of your absolute #1 most wanted character...as an assist trophy. It's a gorgeous model, they have a lot of attacks and act almost like a real character, but are stuck in the assist box. Sakurai also takes that opportunity to show off a beautifully detailed Mii costume for them as well.

How do you take it?

Me - that's making the Dragonborn an assist. I'd be a bit bummed if he's not playable, but just having Skyrim content would be awesome. Plus, I'd actually have a reason to play the Miis then. And I could still get some great pictures in the gallery mode as well.

Your game is my reality.

 

[Luminario]

Filling a quota != fulfilling a gimmick.

Ivy was added because Sakurai wanted a swtiching mechanic for starters, and it didn’t make sense to have all of them as heavies, so he put in Squirtle instead of Blastoise. And woth Charizard and Squirtle, Ivy made sense to finish the type effectiveness triangle and be a middle stage when the other two were there. I’m sure that if it came out where he said “I’m making a switching character using Charizard, Squirtle, and one other Pokémon. Who should be the third?” Ivy would be the obvious choice.

Gothitelle is a suggestion because “we totes should have a gen 5 rep and she’d fit Gardevoir’s skeleton as a tall thin woman!” And people are assuming Gardevoir would get added because again, “we don’t have a gen 3 rep!”

If he did add based on quotas, the Trainer would have had Charizard, Croconaw, and Treecko back in Brawl, and Zoroark would have joined in Sm4sh.

This is the first game with such a wide ballot. How many do you think asked for a gen 3/5 Pokemon with this specific reasoning of there being no Gen 3/5 fighters? Quite a few I'd say. If (IF) Gardevoir is added then the possible throught process could be "let's not risk only adding a next Gen Pokemon that can easily fail to gain popularity, lets go for the most recent game and look at possible popular Gen 3 pokemon that we can add" whether or not a Gothitelle echo had anything to do with choosing Gardevoir is anyone's guess, but the fact of the matter is I know a bunch of Smash fans want reps from each Gen, and Sakurai might have tried to fulfill that desire to the best of his abilities under the development time.

No one's comparing Ivysaur's and Gothitelle's popularity, there's no contest about that, the point was that he added the least popular Bulbasaur line simply because it fit his vision for the Pokemon Trainer, which could happen with trying to represent all Pokemon Gens. Gothitelle clearly isn't many people's first choice, but in the unlikely event of this being true it seems like it's either Gothitelle or no one. In this situation it's an echo anyway it's not like it's gonna take much time to squeeze in.

 

[Kuon]

Homura from Madoka Magica.

Ooooh I thought you meant this Homura As you can tell, someone was able to fix my issue with not being able to upload pictures

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Just because there are possible, unproven explanations for something doesn't make it unsuspicious. And just because something seems plausible doesn't make it true.

Oh believe me I know im only watching it Im well aware of the possibility of being fake

Vergeben is the only one to have been 100% right and the only one I believe right now
Lol at "i datamined the demo build and it somehow had the data for characters not present on it" yeah, sure, I'll believe that.
I don't know who Loz or why he's credible but I can bet my *** he got one thing tangentially right and now everyone wants to believe him for whatever reason

Well the gardevoir leak didn't really have those exact words though


Oh one more thing

Turns out Beyoncé is a rythmn heaven fan

 

[BlueMagician]

I'm pretty sure Gardevoir is the most popular non-Legendary Gen III Pokémon, at least in Japan.

As expected, the most popular in Japan and elsewhere are the starters. All three of them got an anime boost, Grovyle has story significance in one of the most popular side games, the Swampert line is full of memes, etc.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I kinda want them to pick up on the Smash 4 trailer for villager. Tom Nook finds Villagers letter on the ground. Isabelle gets upset he'd leave all the office work to her. Isabelle sets out to leave, but Nook won't Isabelle go alone.

Nook shows with Isabelle to the scene of a fight and gets attacked and hurt/dies. Isabelle joins the fray in his honor.

 

[Noipoi]

I kinda want them to pick up on the Smash 4 trailer for villager. Tom Nook finds Villagers letter on the ground. Isabelle gets upset he'd leave all the office work to her. Isabelle sets out to leave, but Nook won't Isabelle go alone.

Nook shows with Isabelle to the scene of a fight and gets attacked and hurt/dies. Isabelle joins the fray in his honor.

Tom Nook dies.
Perfect, now I don't have to pay off my loans!

 

[MrSmashFour]

Dark Matter, a new Gen 1 Pokémon, or Goku.



Ah yes, Ridley was a safe guess, hence the 15% or so on the Rate their chances thread. Some people have forgotten how suprising Ridley was, concidering he was "Too Big" for the past two games. And Simon was hardly a safe guess, we didn't even know if Snake would be back.

I didn't say Ridley was a safe guess at all. Under normal circumstances, Ridley was unrealistic. My point is, Verg made unrealistic claims (we always get unrealistic "leaks" every game), but this time, these unrealistic predictions were accurate. That's because this game is being catered very specifically to the fans, every character (except Richter, who's just an echo) so far have been ones fans have clamoured for for years. All Verg's "leak" proves is that Sakurai is correct as to which characters fans want

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm pretty sure Gardevoir is the most popular non-Legendary Gen III Pokémon, at least in Japan.

Always thought that was Blaziken.

Who could very easily be a C.Falcon Echo with a unique Final Smash honestly.

I doubt they will add yet another C.Falcon-clone from a franchise other than F-Zero, but the idea is kind of cool still. All attacks would fit nicely, except the Thunder Knee, which can just become a Fire Knee instead.

 

[Blargg888]

Here's a fun disappointing game to prep us all for the next infodump:

Sakurai shows of your absolute #1 most wanted character...as an assist trophy. It's a gorgeous model, they have a lot of attacks and act almost like a real character, but are stuck in the assist box. Sakurai also takes that opportunity to show off a beautifully detailed Mii costume for them as well.

How do you take it?

Me - that's making the Dragonborn an assist. I'd be a bit bummed if he's not playable, but just having Skyrim content would be awesome. Plus, I'd actually have a reason to play the Miis then. And I could still get some great pictures in the gallery mode as well.

I'd be hyped!
As previously stated, I've already given up hopes on my pick making it in, so anything would be nice at this point, especially since they've straight up never been in a Smash game in any capacity period.

Oh my god Homura made it into the game. What the ****. The first ever anime character, and it isn't Goku. I'd drop Shulk immediately, and only play Mii Gunner from that day on.

Yes.
Join me.
I mean I play Shulk AND Mii Gunner, but uh... ignore that for now.

 

[Pyra]

I kinda want them to pick up on the Smash 4 trailer for villager. Tom Nook finds Villagers letter on the ground. Isabelle gets upset he'd leave all the office work to her. Isabelle sets out to leave, but Nook won't Isabelle go alone.

Nook shows with Isabelle to the scene of a fight and gets attacked and hurt/dies. Isabelle joins the fray in his honor.

I thought this was going to lead into "Isabelle is a Nook echo"

 

[Deleted member]

Yes.
Join me.
I mean I play Shulk AND Mii Gunner, but uh... ignore that for now.

I'm actually quite excited to try out Miis this time, so maybe I will be a Gunner main...

 

[RandomAce]

Loz has gotten anything wrong? That was not my impression at all. He's definitely not a fake.

Anyway, November is a logical time for the last big blowout of information; it's very good timing to make a final push to really sell this game for a December release. Since they'll want to get ahead of holiday shopping, early November is most likely if that makes you guys feel better. It wouldn't be surprising to have like a single Smash newcomer reveal in a direct in-between mostly focused on other games, but in terms of big smash specific reveals, this is definitely the logical way for things to be.

He did say that there is probably a direct and a reveal before November due to the online though.

Which, I expect a reveal in September and October. November will have a couple of more too.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Vergeben is the only one to have been 100% right and the only one I believe right now
Lol at "i datamined the demo build and it somehow had the data for characters not present on it" yeah, sure, I'll believe that.
I don't know who Loz or why he's credible but I can bet my *** he got one thing tangentially right and now everyone wants to believe him for whatever reason

Loz is literally the opposite of what you described, he leaked that "Everyone is here" before E3 and even detailed Zelda and Ganondorf's designs being from ALBW and OoT respectively, and he also said that we'd get a Direct mid-August. He's gone into far greater detail than Vergeben and bar a few details surrounding the recent Direct everything he's said has been true so far. He even shot down a claim Vergeben asked him about there being no DK newcomers.

He is worth listening to, even if he's an odd personality (and honestly, so is Vergeben).

 

[Diddy Kong]

"no cuts" = not the same as "every character EVER coming back"

"Ridley" = a guess everybody and their mother has been making for years, this time, it turned out to be true

"Daisy" = as above

"Simon" = been expected since Brawl

These are all characters that have been fan favourite picks for YEARS, and that's WHY they're in the game, this game is tailored for fans. Verg spouted the typical claims everyone makes every year and this time it just happened to be true. Notice how he didn't "predict" Richter, who was revealed in the very same breath as Simon, because nobody was expecting Richter.

The nail in the coffin for me is his BS about the Gen 7 Pokemon. He just wants attention, if he knew what the Pokemon was, he would say it. He wouldn't keep stringing everyone along by saying "nope, it's not that one!".

He's full of BS, at first glance he seemed legit, and hell, maybe he was at one point, but I'm certain by now he's riding off coat-tails.

THANK YOU! This had to be said, I say it all the time but don't have the details about these "leaks" because well.. I don't follow them.

Can someone give this man a medal already?

These fake "leakers" are full of ****. And here you are all entertaining them.

 

[Iridium]

I'm actually quite excited to try out Miis this time, so maybe I will be a Gunner main...

Which voice options will you try? Will you use any?

 

[TheGoobster]

I'm actually quite excited to try out Miis this time, so maybe I will be a Gunner main...

I'm also thinking of making the mii gunner my main along with ice climbers. Nothing feels better than beating people in locals with underrated characters!

 

[T-Hell]

"no cuts" = not the same as "every character EVER coming back"

"Ridley" = a guess everybody and their mother has been making for years, this time, it turned out to be true

"Daisy" = as above

"Simon" = been expected since Brawl

These are all characters that have been fan favourite picks for YEARS, and that's WHY they're in the game, this game is tailored for fans. Verg spouted the typical claims everyone makes every year and this time it just happened to be true. Notice how he didn't "predict" Richter, who was revealed in the very same breath as Simon, because nobody was expecting Richter.

The nail in the coffin for me is his BS about the Gen 7 Pokemon. He just wants attention, if he knew what the Pokemon was, he would say it. He wouldn't keep stringing everyone along by saying "nope, it's not that one!".

He's full of BS, at first glance he seemed legit, and hell, maybe he was at one point, but I'm certain by now he's riding off coat-tails.

Daisy a pick every year my balls, the only delusional who would think Daisy was a possible pick every year was that memoryman guy, and Verg didn't even mention Daisy. He said IC coming back, Ridley, Simon, Snake coming back and no cuts.
At the end of the day, he was RIGHT with the no cuts scenario, it turned out that every freaking character in Smash history was coming back? so what, he's point stands. And don't even bring me the "no cuts was a safe scenario" because everyone and their mother was expecting a few cuts here and there.
Also he got mention and confirmation on Snake, he doubled down on Snake. Was Snake coming back a safe prediction? In any way.

So he didn't predict Richter, so what? I don't think his sources would tell him or even know absolutely every single thing. Now we are gonna base the potential legitimacy of a leak on a surprise character that almost no one expected?

And this is the game tailored for fans so that's why those so called "safe picks" are in, but.. we DIDN'T KNOW **** about this game back then, we didn't know if it was going to be a full fanservice game or yet another Smash with a few cuts here and there and your crazy Sakurai picks. So what you're telling me that now, after we've seen the game, it suddenly became obvious that is normal that those characters are in because this entry is tailored for fans. AFTER all of that.
The only thing I see here is your typical stab in the back of a seemingly legitimate leaker because he didn't have a little detail mentioned, or because something NO ONE expected suddenly becomes an "obvious thing" AFTER it happens.

Who knows, maybe you're right and he's full of it, and also let me tell you I'm not telling you that you should believe him because my balls say so, but please, don't bring me those super conveniently made up arguments against him because it just screams hipocrisy and self-convenience, so to speak.

 

[dezeray112]

So loz18 has spoken about a potential Smash Direct in November? I do anticipate that they will possibly speak a lot more detail in regards to the unrevealed mode which is likely to be the "Spirits" by then.

However, I still think that even though I'm not exactly 100% certain of the chances of this happening, but they could unveil at least 1 newcomer and 1 veteran during September and October.

 

[Deleted member]

Which voice options will you try? Will you use any?

Depends on what they sound like. If they're anything like the Mario Kart voices, I'll probably go voiceless (if that's still an option).

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

You don't know Mii Gunner will be "underrated" in Smash Ultimate. It could easily be top tier!

Mii Gunner is an interesting character in 4. It has a lot of really good spatial control moves (that down-B bomb and the grenade special in particular are just amazing projectiles), but it struggles so badly to end stocks that it makes Duck Hunt look like Ganondorf. Like other Miis, a lot of its special options are just blatantly worse versions of what other characters have too which hurts; there's no reason its version of Din's Fire, Arc Fire, Missiles, Charge Shot, Reflector, PSI Magnet should all just be purely inferior versions of what non-Mii characters have and it really limited how far it could go. I think the Miis in 4 were intentionally undertuned though in order to make sure no size variation would be too strong (and even then, arguably small Brawler ended up stronger than they probably would have liked). In Ultimate in which they have already said they're putting more work into balancing the Miis, maybe they'll be better overall. There's nothing about any of their base movesets which precludes them from being good characters.

 

[DLEAF]

You don't know Mii Gunner will be "underrated" in Smash Ultimate. It could easily be top tier!

Mii Gunner is an interesting character in 4. It has a lot of really good spatial control moves (that down-B bomb and the grenade special in particular are just amazing projectiles), but it struggles so badly to end stocks that it makes Duck Hunt look like Ganondorf. Like other Miis, a lot of its special options are just blatantly worse versions of what other characters have too which hurts; there's no reason its version of Din's Fire, Arc Fire, Missiles, Charge Shot, Reflector, PSI Magnet should all just be purely inferior versions of what non-Mii characters have and it really limited how far it could go. I think the Miis in 4 were intentionally undertuned though in order to make sure no size variation would be too strong (and even then, arguably small Brawler ended up stronger than they probably would have liked). In Ultimate in which they have already said they're putting more work into balancing the Miis, maybe they'll be better overall. There's nothing about any of their base movesets which precludes them from being good characters.

Except they'll probably be banned again, it's hard to be top tier if the competitive scene doesn't even acknowledge your existence.

 

[TonyMyOnly]

what have i missed?

 

[KMDP]

As expected, the most popular in Japan and elsewhere are the starters. All three of them got an anime boost, Grovyle has story significance in one of the most popular side games, the Swampert line is full of memes, etc.

Always thought that was Blaziken.

Who could very easily be a C.Falcon Echo with a unique Final Smash honestly.

I doubt they will add yet another C.Falcon-clone from a franchise other than F-Zero, but the idea is kind of cool still. All attacks would fit nicely, except the Thunder Knee, which can just become a Fire Knee instead.

In Japan, Gardevoir is more popular than all the other non-Legendary Gen 3 Pokémon.
NOTE: Magnemite is Japan's Mudkip (i.e. Meme Pokémon)

 

[TheGoobster]

You don't know Mii Gunner will be "underrated" in Smash Ultimate. It could easily be top tier!

Mii Gunner is an interesting character in 4. It has a lot of really good spatial control moves (that down-B bomb and the grenade special in particular are just amazing projectiles), but it struggles so badly to end stocks that it makes Duck Hunt look like Ganondorf. Like other Miis, a lot of its special options are just blatantly worse versions of what other characters have too which hurts; there's no reason its version of Din's Fire, Arc Fire, Missiles, Charge Shot, Reflector, PSI Magnet should all just be purely inferior versions of what non-Mii characters have and it really limited how far it could go. I think the Miis in 4 were intentionally undertuned though in order to make sure no size variation would be too strong (and even then, arguably small Brawler ended up stronger than they probably would have liked). In Ultimate in which they have already said they're putting more work into balancing the Miis, maybe they'll be better overall. There's nothing about any of their base movesets which precludes them from being good characters.

Hopefully they have new moves in ultimate. Like you said, mii gunners had a tough time with taking stocks.

 

[Jedisupersonic]

https://smashboards.com/threads/something-i’d-like-from-smash-3ds-in-ultimate.457407/

Just a little thing that I think would be cool if it’s in the final version of ultimate

 

[Deleted member]

Gardevoir is more popular than all the other non-Legendary Gen 3 Pokémon.
NOTE: Magnemite is Japan's Mudkip (i.e. Meme Pokémon)

Oh man, look at how popular Gothitelle is!

 

[KMDP]

Oh man, look at how popular Gothitelle is!

Gothitelle is in, like, 400th Place or something.

 

[SvartWolf]

Here's a fun disappointing game to prep us all for the next infodump:

Sakurai shows of your absolute #1 most wanted character...as an assist trophy. It's a gorgeous model, they have a lot of attacks and act almost like a real character, but are stuck in the assist box. Sakurai also takes that opportunity to show off a beautifully detailed Mii costume for them as well.

How do you take it?

Me - that's making the Dragonborn an assist. I'd be a bit bummed if he's not playable, but just having Skyrim content would be awesome. Plus, I'd actually have a reason to play the Miis then. And I could still get some great pictures in the gallery mode as well.

ok.. Let's play.... I would be very happy if he ackowledges Simon Belmont as an assit... except that he is a playable fioghter with ton of content <3...

I guess i will go with Alucard then. the AT looks sick and i would LOVE a mii swordman Alucard costume.

<3

 

[Deleted member]

Gothitelle is in, like, 400th Place or something.

According to this list, my idea of making Emolga a Pikachu clone with Shuttle Loop makes more sense than cloning Gardevoir to make Gothitelle.

Also Beautifly is popular somewhere? Interesting.

 

[DLEAF]

In Japan, Gardevoir is more popular than all the other non-Legendary Gen 3 Pokémon.
NOTE: Magnemite is Japan's Mudkip (i.e. Meme Pokémon)

What I love about Pokemon is that almost every single one of these could be a unique fighter, and I'd be down with it. This shows why Pokemon has so many fighters - because they're diverse (which contrasts with how people view Fire Emblem).

 

[TheGoobster]

Except they'll probably be banned again, it's hard to be top tier if the competitive scene doesn't even acknowledge your existence.

Correct if i'm wrong, but I remember Sakurai saying that they'll maybe let them be usable in for glory. Also why would they get banned?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Here's a fun disappointing game to prep us all for the next infodump:

Sakurai shows of your absolute #1 most wanted character...as an assist trophy. It's a gorgeous model, they have a lot of attacks and act almost like a real character, but are stuck in the assist box. Sakurai also takes that opportunity to show off a beautifully detailed Mii costume for them as well.

How do you take it?

Me - that's making the Dragonborn an assist. I'd be a bit bummed if he's not playable, but just having Skyrim content would be awesome. Plus, I'd actually have a reason to play the Miis then. And I could still get some great pictures in the gallery mode as well.

>Shantae
Well, at least the Shovel Knight fanbase won't be jealous.

I would be disappointed, but Isaac was an assist in Brawl so... *shrug*

One thing I noticed about Knuckles in the latest Assist Trophy showcase is that he doesn't emote. At all.

They keep forgetting that Knuckles is supposed to chuckle.

 

[Noipoi]

What I love about Pokemon is that almost every single one of these could be a unique fighter, and I'd be down with it. This shows why Pokemon has so many fighters - because they're diverse (which contrasts with how people view Fire Emblem).

No.
All Pokemon are anime swordsmen.