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Small things about Christianity that bug me

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For the most part, I'm fine with the religion. There are a couple of things about it that kinda annoy me though:

1) The fact that it restricts Sunday shopping. There's no good reason for this. If people don't want to open their shops on a Sunday due to being Christian or whatever, then that's fine. But being FORCED to have restricted shopping hours is unfair to people who don't believe in the Sabbath. Why shouldn't they be allowed to open on normal hours? The Bible even says that the Sabbath is optional in Mark 2:27. Thus, there's no good reasons to force restrictions on it; it should be left to the judgment of the people owning the business.

2) The fact that creationism is still taught in schools. No offense, but creationism has been proven to be BS. The world wasn't created in six days, there was no such people as Adam or Eve, and the world is billions of years old, NOT 7,000 years old. Many modern Christians accept that the story of Creationism is not literally true, but rather a metaphorical representation of how God created the earth. It astounds me how people can reject evolution, which there is a lot of evidence for, and accept creationism which there is NO evidence for. I've heard somewhere that only 40% of Americans beleive in evolution, though hopefully that's false.

3) Jehovah's witnesses. OK, so you believe in God, fair enough. But that does't mean you have the right to go door-to-door forcing your views on people. If someone went door-to-door trying to tell people that there was no God they'd probably be lynched.

4) When people use it as an excuse for homophobia, subjection of women, any form of discrimination really, or when used for selfish motives (and this one applies to religion as a whole).


Apart from those four things, I think that Christianity is a good thing (I'm an atheist myself, but if religion helps people to cope with difficult times or to behave morally that's fine by me), but unfortunately it seems to corrupt some people and causes a handful of others to stop themselves thinking logically. Most other Christians are fine by me.
 

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I'm pretty every time MT posts a blog, Teran's blood pressure spikes.

Why don't you use these as fodder for the Proving Grounds?
 

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It's just a stagnant yet touchy subject which will cause discussion which will get us nowhere, because people believe whatever they want and that's that.

It just causes futile heated arguments. Not to mention, these arguments have happened time and time again across time in all different forms of media and communication.

It's just a pet peeve of mine, and usually threads like this cause behaviour that requires disciplining and thread locking.
 

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Now onto MT's post:

#1= I agree, people should not be forced to not do anything on what was originally SATURDAY, not SUNDAY.
It was changed to Sunday a long time ago after Jesus's death.

#2= I do not agree with that.
Creationism is legit, but I do believe the Earth is billions of years old.
It's called the gap theory and many Christians have shot it down with BS excuses. If they would just except it it would solve many problems.

#3= They're annoying... that and the Mormons. -_-

#4= I agree
 

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1.) Definitely. Christmas too for that matter. But yeah, I wish I could buy liquor on Sundays. It's actually (for some reason) usually the only day I ever find myself even in the mood to do so.

2.) Meh. I went to a public school that taught evolution in biology, creationism in history (where they belong). But that was years ago, and in the northeast (a suburb of Boston, MA). 'Round here (the deep south) it is definitely different. Creationism is taught alongside evolution as an "alternate theory." LOL! That way the bible thumpers can be placated. It's disturbing.

3.) Eh, I actually can't find fault with this.

From: Matthew 28:19-20 (King James Version)

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

This "command" for all intents and purposes is basically the reason why there is such strong evangelism (the spreading of the Good Word) in many Christian faiths, though admittedly some more than others.

4.) Yeah, I am forced to agree here. It's very unfortunate that passages from The Bible are used as tools of hate and persecution.

From: Matthew 7:15-23 (King James Version)

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
 

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I understand you. But I've got one question:

What proof do we humans have to show creationism is incorrect? Chances are the scientist that came up w/ that conclusion had unprecise data. You can't get a legitimate conclusion when you were unprepared to begin w/.:026:
 

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I understand you. But I've got one question:

What proof do we humans have to show creationism is incorrect? Chances are the scientist that came up w/ that conclusion had unprecise data. You can't get a legitimate conclusion when you were unprepared to begin w/.:026:
I'm seriously going to vomit if I hear this again.

Your statement is based on a heaping pile of lies and logical fallacies. Isn't it somewhat ironic that you sit in your chair, typing on a PC (which scientists paved the way to create), it gets sent over the Internet (which again, scientists had a lot to do with), to us on an LCD screen (again, science). For someone to satiate their person so hard with the spoils of scientific advancements, then spit in the science's face because it doesn't agree with your religion, that is perfidious with a capital P.

As for your question: What in particular is not precise with the generally accepted view on the origins of life on Earth? No blanket statements here, homes.
 

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I understand you. But I've got one question:

What proof do we humans have to show creationism is incorrect? Chances are the scientist that came up w/ that conclusion had unprecise data. You can't get a legitimate conclusion when you were unprepared to begin w/.:026:
Here is another question to your question: What proof do religious leaders, religious zealots, and believers have that creationism is correct?

Old texts that were written well over two millenniums ago that say so? With stories that could very well have been dreams interpreted to be real?

You can't get a legitimate conclusion when you dream it up yourself, or have a hallucination and interpret it to be real.

See how this keeps going back and forth with no end?

Scientists can't completely conclusively prove it, neither can the religious believers.
 

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I'm seriously going to vomit if I hear this again.

Your statement is based on a heaping pile of lies and logical fallacies. Isn't it somewhat ironic that you sit in your chair, typing on a PC (which scientists paved the way to create), it gets sent over the Internet (which again, scientists had a lot to do with), to us on an LCD screen (again, science). For someone to satiate their person so hard with the spoils of scientific advancements, then spit in the science's face because it doesn't agree with your religion, that is perfidious with a capital P.

As for your question: What in particular is not precise with the generally accepted view on the origins of life on Earth? No blanket statements here, homes.
^Makes no sense because my post didn't offend science. I'm not even using the internet on a computer.

In fact, my comment was based off a teaching from Introduction Physical Science. Checkmate, no johns. jk/

Seriously though, I believe in math and science and I understand each very well. I'm asking MOUNTAIN TIGER to give me the data that scientist have to prove creationism isn't valid. No hard feelings, and BZ, I didn't ignore your post btw.:026:
 

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I could give you 20 links that could prove creationism wrong right now. I somehow doubt that this would change your opinion though. However, would you like to see it anyways?

EDIT: Not so much actually. I should give a chance for MT to respond to this first...in the interest of fairness...
 

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Here we go again, exactly the same with both sides as stubborn as always.

This is about someone not liking something about religion, not the validity of religion itself.
 

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MT has a right to his thoughts and opinions.

I told a friend the other day that we have different beliefs, therefore we cannot have a debate w/ nothing to agree on. The same applies here.

Hopefully these religion threads stop being made, they suck.:026:
 

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it's funny I just read a paper on creation vs evolution. he (the author) assumes creation is more valid because biology has a design (and therefore a Designer [God]) and that evolution requires the survival of the fittest model to work and that that has been all but debunked so without a new model to perpetuate the theory, it's over. ><

Biology may very well contain seemingly Godlike design, but that doesn't mean it's the result of God's will. The Atom has structure too, and so it makes sense (to me anyway) that inorganic materials that have design, and coalesce would then combine to form a living, and similarly structured form.

Evolution doesn't need survival of the fittest to work. All it needs is the basic understanding that over time, our sun's radiation when coupled with Earth's environment, its position, spinning yada yada = changes in the biology of the planet and its inhabitants.

But who knows, maybe neither is right. I'll subscribe that this planet was lifeless until an alien landed and pooped on the ground somewhere.
 

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I just came onto Smashboards thinking "I hope there's a recursive and pointless argument somewhere" and boy was I delighted when I saw a thread with "Christianity" in the title on the first page!
 

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holy **** christianity is so ****ing stupid
If you believe in Adam and Eve than you're an idiot
 

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For the most part, I'm fine with the religion. There are a couple of things about it that kinda annoy me though:
AKA Christianity. The only seemingly religion out there.

1) The fact that it restricts Sunday shopping. There's no good reason for this. If people don't want to open their shops on a Sunday due to being Christian or whatever, then that's fine. But being FORCED to have restricted shopping hours is unfair to people who don't believe in the Sabbath. Why shouldn't they be allowed to open on normal hours? The Bible even says that the Sabbath is optional in Mark 2:27. Thus, there's no good reasons to force restrictions on it; it should be left to the judgment of the people owning the business.
First, where the hell is this coming from. I never actually experienced this kind of stuff before.

Also Sabbath is on Saturday's and applies to Judaism.

2) The fact that creationism is still taught in schools. No offense, but creationism has been proven to be BS. The world wasn't created in six days, there was no such people as Adam or Eve, and the world is billions of years old, NOT 7,000 years old. Many modern Christians accept that the story of Creationism is not literally true, but rather a metaphorical representation of how God created the earth. It astounds me how people can reject evolution, which there is a lot of evidence for, and accept creationism which there is NO evidence for. I've heard somewhere that only 40% of Americans beleive in evolution, though hopefully that's false.
Nope sorry, but it's true.

I was taught Evolution in Science( VERY EARLY and I've been in Catholic schools for a long time), creation of nations in history and stuff in Catholic Education. I was told about creationism, but I witnessed small steps of evolution in my life time.


3) Jehovah's witnesses. OK, so you believe in God, fair enough. But that does't mean you have the right to go door-to-door forcing your views on people. If someone went door-to-door trying to tell people that there was no God they'd probably be lynched.
I hate them too.....well not really, but I do find some of their methods and restrictions very hard to grasp on.


4) When people use it as an excuse for homophobia, subjection of women, any form of discrimination really, or when used for selfish motives (and this one applies to religion as a whole).
So it's also a bad thing when people use it for Human Rights, equal treatment of humans, abolition of Abortion and the works as well?


So yea....I honestly agree with some points, but no idea where some of your other points come from.
 

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First, where the hell is this coming from. I never actually experienced this kind of stuff before.

Also Sabbath is on Saturday's and applies to Judaism.
The Sabbath for Jews is Saturday. It's not the Sabbath for everyone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_shopping

You never knew before that liquor stores are closed on Sundays in some states? And, for that matter, no alcohol can be sold on Sundays in said states?
 

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The everlasting cycle of religion topics on the Internet:

Garland: This is the cycle of BATTLE!
Garland: We will never come to accept one another. We will always be in CONFLICT!


And I like how there's a banner ad questioning if God exists. XD
 

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I understand you. But I've got one question:

What proof do we humans have to show creationism is incorrect? Chances are the scientist that came up w/ that conclusion had unprecise data. You can't get a legitimate conclusion when you were unprepared to begin w/.:026:
I'm sorry, but I just hate this logic.

God is a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Prove it wrong. Oh wait, you can't, therefore it must be true.
I'm a Jedi. Prove me wrong. You can't. Must be true.
I can fly, prove me wrong. You can't. Must be true.

Dumb logic, sorry.
 

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I'm anti-alcohol and stuff, but that is just stupid if liquor stores are closed just on Sunday by state law.
Yeah, I really don't see the logic in it either.

If you want a full list of laws like that, here's a Wikipedia article.

When you think about it for a second...aren't laws like this infringing on the First Amendment? It's basically saying that everyone has to abide by the Sabbath, whether or not they believe in that religion.

Nope. I live up north, where such law's are illegal. I had my cousins buy Beer on a Sunday once and the liquor store was still open 2 hours later (11:00 ish).
Wait...do you mean you live in Canada, by "up north"? Now that I think about it, I recall that. And that would pretty much have to be, because there are northern states that have such laws.
Either way, the laws do exist.
 
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