oldmanondorf_
Smash Ace
can the next subject not involve death, this thread is so morbid
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Nova
Banned via Warnings
'Sif Ganon doesn't want a morbid topic.
Some people WANT to die; just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean it won't make them happy being shrouded in eternal darkness forever.
Also some people that suicide are much better dead than alive. Some of them can be quite dangerous, or sociopaths (like me wee).
I would make a horrible lifeline consultant... 'specially by what a lot of the people here think. But what I'm trying to say is, everyone thinks and reacts differently to things.
Telling people how they should act is annoying, although I understand some people really do need to be told, but this is another whole topic.
...This is why I didn't want to post about this.
I'll just go around in circles really.
And then someone will say "Well some people need to be told not to kill".
It doesn't stop everyone though does it?
Blah blah blah.....
That's a stupid thing to say, really.Someone on the last page said:
Some people WANT to die; just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean it won't make them happy being shrouded in eternal darkness forever.
Also some people that suicide are much better dead than alive. Some of them can be quite dangerous, or sociopaths (like me wee).
I would make a horrible lifeline consultant... 'specially by what a lot of the people here think. But what I'm trying to say is, everyone thinks and reacts differently to things.
Telling people how they should act is annoying, although I understand some people really do need to be told, but this is another whole topic.
...This is why I didn't want to post about this.
I'll just go around in circles really.
And then someone will say "Well some people need to be told not to kill".
It doesn't stop everyone though does it?
Blah blah blah.....
xXArrowXx
Smash Champion
according to some people... large amout of time before birth + infinty after death = 99.9 infinity % so life is only but one small time. so lets talk about death all the time since clearly its most important..
but sure next topic.. drugs? what doesn't involve death
gaming addiction?
which rule is the best? king ftw... lol
dont be so self pleasing. you make me sad. no one is better off dead.... cant people get usta padded rooms? it is unethical to suicide. that is why it is law. blah blah.
suicidal people are making a mistake... they should be saved not L4D...
i guess u can still suicide but it will make others around you very sad. its not like you are gonna get caught dead and they gonna kill you again.
but sure next topic.. drugs? what doesn't involve death
gaming addiction?
which rule is the best? king ftw... lol
dont be so self pleasing. you make me sad. no one is better off dead.... cant people get usta padded rooms? it is unethical to suicide. that is why it is law. blah blah.
suicidal people are making a mistake... they should be saved not L4D...
i guess u can still suicide but it will make others around you very sad. its not like you are gonna get caught dead and they gonna kill you again.
oldmanondorf_
Smash Ace
Ganondorf sees death as a worthless obstacle he can easily surpass.
drugs are lame, people with addictive personalities become bored/sad/whatever stupid reason and take 'recreational' drugs then think they're hero's once they kick the addiciton.
carry on with your life/death moral debate I guess.
C~Dog
Smash Champion
Question: Does the time before you are born count as 'death'?
xXArrowXx
Smash Champion
little difference to not existing..
just a small wording error ide say =P
yeah so true oldman.. gannondorf is back like every game.. or should be atleast.
could talk about slavery... or poverty... something to that effect...
or aliens..
just a small wording error ide say =P
yeah so true oldman.. gannondorf is back like every game.. or should be atleast.
could talk about slavery... or poverty... something to that effect...
or aliens..
oldmanondorf_
Smash Ace
he's not in MM, which I guess I can accept because it chronologically occurs immediately after OoT.. and if Link slept for 7 years then collected a lot of items and magic to become sage hax and defeat him, only for Ganondorf to instantly escape from the Sacred Realm I guess most LoZ players would question the point of all that effort for nothing.
He never actually dies though, just becomes banished or imprisoned for being all up in Hyrules face.
poverty/slavery - the world is unfair, third world countries suffer because first world countries dominate. We have more wealth/power and they're too far behind to catch up, endless amounts of problems.
ALIENS! according to hawking if they exist and come to earth we're prettymuch ****ed, as if they can reach us before we reach them they must be more advanced than us and based on how the human race behaves as a species, we take advantage of and control other species on earth, so why wouldn't they do the same to us? makes sense to me.
Nova
Banned via Warnings
Arrow, the fact of the matter is we will never agree on this (unless you change your mind).
No matter how many times we post backwards and forwards at eachother regarding this, it'll never change anything. Suicide is usually preventable, but some people (usually the ones who don't scream and shout - not saying ALL of them) are going to do whatever they want, no matter how people tell them otherwise.
Because the fact is some people just think so differently to you that it's almost inconceiveable to understand where they're coming from.
Suicide is, in my opinion always a personal choice - although the whole mental side of it, which I cbf getting into, is another story.
This is of course already blatantly ignoring your "mentally unstable = suicide ALWAYS" argument, anyway.
So essentially I accept that you have different views to me on this matter, and trust me, no matter what you say you'll never change the way I think.
I've tried it for years - the only thing that changed is my own realisation of stubbornness, pretty much.
I also understand that it probably annoys you that such a person can think in this way and not somehow know they're "morally corrupt", by your own interpretation and you feel the need to correct such views, but you don't understand what a waste of time it is so you will attempt to anyway through "selfishness" and "human defined mental illness". Or you might just realise that this is a never ending argument.
Forcing views is never the answer, jokes aside, really.
Either way, it's pointless talking about it on the Internet, or anywhere else if the person doesn't want help.
I think a lot of people should give themselves more credit than they do, some like to feel in control by taking their own life - others are just miserable and want their lives to end.
I don't really find that it's my place to seriously dictate what people do with their lives, although I've always wished for more accepting people in the world. Although it's never really going to happen with the worlds growing population, lol.
tl;dr - Humans love judging, it's one of the reasons why we call things right and wrong. But in the end I understand that your views are different to my own, and I accept it as part of your individualism.
@ Conor, the time before my own "birth" in this body I have now (go on, someone read too much into that) I don't count as death, rather before birth.
I'm sure it has a fancy technical name, unreon? lol.
No matter how many times we post backwards and forwards at eachother regarding this, it'll never change anything. Suicide is usually preventable, but some people (usually the ones who don't scream and shout - not saying ALL of them) are going to do whatever they want, no matter how people tell them otherwise.
Because the fact is some people just think so differently to you that it's almost inconceiveable to understand where they're coming from.
Suicide is, in my opinion always a personal choice - although the whole mental side of it, which I cbf getting into, is another story.
This is of course already blatantly ignoring your "mentally unstable = suicide ALWAYS" argument, anyway.
So essentially I accept that you have different views to me on this matter, and trust me, no matter what you say you'll never change the way I think.
I've tried it for years - the only thing that changed is my own realisation of stubbornness, pretty much.
I also understand that it probably annoys you that such a person can think in this way and not somehow know they're "morally corrupt", by your own interpretation and you feel the need to correct such views, but you don't understand what a waste of time it is so you will attempt to anyway through "selfishness" and "human defined mental illness". Or you might just realise that this is a never ending argument.
Forcing views is never the answer, jokes aside, really.
Either way, it's pointless talking about it on the Internet, or anywhere else if the person doesn't want help.
I think a lot of people should give themselves more credit than they do, some like to feel in control by taking their own life - others are just miserable and want their lives to end.
I don't really find that it's my place to seriously dictate what people do with their lives, although I've always wished for more accepting people in the world. Although it's never really going to happen with the worlds growing population, lol.
tl;dr - Humans love judging, it's one of the reasons why we call things right and wrong. But in the end I understand that your views are different to my own, and I accept it as part of your individualism.
@ Conor, the time before my own "birth" in this body I have now (go on, someone read too much into that) I don't count as death, rather before birth.
I'm sure it has a fancy technical name, unreon? lol.
xXArrowXx
Smash Champion
k i understand. but maybe someday you/me will change your/my mind =P. it wont be me tho that does it.
i like circles btw. dont really get annoyied. your determination is saddening to me but whateva eh, ill live =P
also this topic is for those who are interested. like I am.. thats just one reason.
its nice to see what circles we get into. >.< i am not forcing opinions on people,,, i hope
accepting belief? you mean as to share the same belief? or just accepting that is one but many answers people tell themselves?
i like circles btw. dont really get annoyied. your determination is saddening to me but whateva eh, ill live =P
also this topic is for those who are interested. like I am.. thats just one reason.
its nice to see what circles we get into. >.< i am not forcing opinions on people,,, i hope
accepting belief? you mean as to share the same belief? or just accepting that is one but many answers people tell themselves?
Nova
Banned via Warnings
Accepting = dealing with other peoples opinions/belief's without questioning them, but reaching the understanding that you're in disagreement (agree to disagree, pretty much).
It definitely ain't sharing the same belief, that's the last thing I'd want it to mean, lol.
It definitely ain't sharing the same belief, that's the last thing I'd want it to mean, lol.
xXArrowXx
Smash Champion
yeah k
this thread is questioning them but i guess thats where all the rage comes from =P oh well continue.
this thread is questioning them but i guess thats where all the rage comes from =P oh well continue.
Suicide is a personal choice yes, but it is in my belief that there is nothing in this world that could be so horrible as to make me/someone else consider suicide.
You only get one life. Throwing it away rather than changing what happened/you did/etc. isn't going to help anyone, far be it from helping yourself. Instead of considering suicide, people should look at changing their lives for the better.
Obviously other people think/have thought differently to that notion though.
You only get one life. Throwing it away rather than changing what happened/you did/etc. isn't going to help anyone, far be it from helping yourself. Instead of considering suicide, people should look at changing their lives for the better.
Obviously other people think/have thought differently to that notion though.
Thats illogical. If someone is content with living but doesnt fear death why should they embrace it?
you are missing the point.
Also with regards to the whole suicide thing,
I feel that with the right personal justification anyone would do anything. That includes commit suicide or murder somebody else, I believe under the right circumstances anyone no matter how nice or well raised or conservative the person is would resort to those things.
That being said, I cant say that any action is inherently morally wrong.
Hitler saw the world differently to us, to him the holocaust was justified. If he thought it was wrong he wouldnt neccasarilly have gone through with it. A lot of people suffered at his hands but when push comes to shove you dont know what was going through his head at the time. You could attempt to justify it by saying "Hitler was a sick man" and you may not be wrong but nobody understands the justification for the extermination.
It is very easy to say "his actions were wrong, he was a horrible person" . You value human life arrow. Youve said things to the effect of that "Murder is just wrong". If Hitler strongly believed he was doing the right thing how can you say with confidence that he was in the wrong? Because he committed genocide?
Okay, the example is way too extreme ill admit. and i know it seems insensitive to the Jews but it doesnt change the fact that he knew what he was doing and went through with it. That is because Hitler's distinction between what is right and wrong is different to yours, and its a difference i believe occurs from person to person.
Because of this how can you say suicide as an absolute is wrong?
Inb4going2hell
oh wait, theres no afterlife
im all good.
xXArrowXx
Smash Champion
you are not content with living you should be grateful. if you are content you should fear death because it changes your norm of contentness.
murder is wrong. for the same reason why some people think suicide is right. justification is tricky. there is a good and a evil in this world, its not really my place to judge it other than from a law stand point, which is important to function as a community. there are grey areas tho that are hard to decide, murder is not one of them. sure you can justify what evil you have done but either it be society or the afterlife will judge you based on morals =P
well people in that state are "sick" (yeah using this again gaganova XP) arent fit to make the decision.
but then people agrue that only someone in that situation would understand. seems unnatural to me, doesn't seem like human life was suspose end that way.
so should we bother to offer care for these people?
if we really just live in each own world whats the point in helping people?
murder is wrong. for the same reason why some people think suicide is right. justification is tricky. there is a good and a evil in this world, its not really my place to judge it other than from a law stand point, which is important to function as a community. there are grey areas tho that are hard to decide, murder is not one of them. sure you can justify what evil you have done but either it be society or the afterlife will judge you based on morals =P
well people in that state are "sick" (yeah using this again gaganova XP) arent fit to make the decision.
but then people agrue that only someone in that situation would understand. seems unnatural to me, doesn't seem like human life was suspose end that way.
so should we bother to offer care for these people?
if we really just live in each own world whats the point in helping people?
Morals- A persons distinction between good and bad.
Motivation based on ideas of right and wrong.
If youre talking about universal goods and evils im willing to debate that they dont exist, but that is because we think about this differently.
You are treating your own personal moral compass as an absolute. In the situation that your family is murdered in front of you by retaliating it makes you an evil person for example? I dont mean to constantly bring up these ridiculously unlikely hypotheticals but there are situations which exist where murder is understandable. Because of this i dont believe murder is innately wrong, and im entitled to that. I would argue that it is wrong to murder someone without sufficient justification. That is the difference
As for the whole contentness with living thing perpetuating a debate is pointless because we just think in different ways about it.
Motivation based on ideas of right and wrong.
If youre talking about universal goods and evils im willing to debate that they dont exist, but that is because we think about this differently.
You are treating your own personal moral compass as an absolute. In the situation that your family is murdered in front of you by retaliating it makes you an evil person for example? I dont mean to constantly bring up these ridiculously unlikely hypotheticals but there are situations which exist where murder is understandable. Because of this i dont believe murder is innately wrong, and im entitled to that. I would argue that it is wrong to murder someone without sufficient justification. That is the difference
As for the whole contentness with living thing perpetuating a debate is pointless because we just think in different ways about it.
Is this about Euthanasia or Suicide? It's a bit off topic.
Suicide is a separate issue. The question at hand is whether it is ethical to end somebody's life if it is deemed 'Not worth living' and the ethical dilemma is whether it is something that should ever be contemplated and what conditions should be met.
I don't have much of an opinion, but it's interesting to note that this is a much easier decision to make when the subject isn't human.
Reminds me of the case of that girl who wasn't quite a vegetable, but for whatever reason, the hospital decided that she needed to attempt to care for herself, and she died from dehydration or something after nearly two weeks.
Suicide is a separate issue. The question at hand is whether it is ethical to end somebody's life if it is deemed 'Not worth living' and the ethical dilemma is whether it is something that should ever be contemplated and what conditions should be met.
I don't have much of an opinion, but it's interesting to note that this is a much easier decision to make when the subject isn't human.
Reminds me of the case of that girl who wasn't quite a vegetable, but for whatever reason, the hospital decided that she needed to attempt to care for herself, and she died from dehydration or something after nearly two weeks.
xXArrowXx
Smash Champion
self defence is different cause u are saving a life and imo is the only situation.
good and evil do exist but its not something that can be proven... like god. i am not saying there is somehting that really is 100% evil. its a scale and it tips to one side or the other. i am saying theres a answer deep down.
i htink u just have trouble believing in any sort of absolute.
good and evil do exist but its not something that can be proven... like god. i am not saying there is somehting that really is 100% evil. its a scale and it tips to one side or the other. i am saying theres a answer deep down.
i htink u just have trouble believing in any sort of absolute.
Pete278
Smash Lord
Somebody doesn't know much about quantum and parallel timelines
. Or you do and you believe the mind**** that is the Many Minds Hypothesis. Point is, universe doesn't exactly mean 'everything that ever is' anymore, and if other universes could exist, then hypothetically one could be heaven and one could be hell, etc.Sorry to go off topic with this post.
Sirias
Smash Champion
I have no idea with what was said about the previous topic, but lol at the thread name, wtf.
I dunno if it's still talking about but -
I say it's bad to do this, too.
I would say more but cbf, keyboard is gay. =/
Oh, and, heaven and hell (not to do with god/satan, just, places you go after you die), I say they exist, but only if you believe in it.
So if you believe (strongly enough) in something it'll happen.
I think reincarnation is the best, though. <3
I stick by it. C:
I dunno if it's still talking about but -
I say it's bad to do this, too.
I would say more but cbf, keyboard is gay. =/
Oh, and, heaven and hell (not to do with god/satan, just, places you go after you die), I say they exist, but only if you believe in it.
So if you believe (strongly enough) in something it'll happen.
I think reincarnation is the best, though. <3
I stick by it. C:
isthattim?
Smash Ace
Heres your next subject:
Debating on the internet is ********
therefore this whole thread is ********
DEBATE!!!1 (*******)
No i'm pretty sure hes right.Somebody doesn't know much about quantum and parallel timelines
Sorry to go off topic with this post.
This is basicallly the whole source of the conflicting opinions. What you "feel" is right or what brings "happyness" isn't always the logically right option.
Pete278
Smash Lord
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many_worlds
To paraphrase a particular quote to sum up the page for this argument, "There is a wide range of claims that are considered "many-worlds" interpretations. It was often claimed by those who do not believe in MWI that Everett himself was not entirely clear as to what he believed; however MWI adherents (such as DeWitt, Tegmark, Deutsch and others) believe they fully understand Everett's meaning as implying the literal existence of the other worlds." where MWI stands for Many worlds interpretation.
Many minds is an acceptable interpretation, though, if a bit hard to wrap your head around.
Im not saying its not a theory or anything but I personally never believed that stuff
Pete278
Smash Lord
I know, right? I also never believed in gravity or evolution. ****ing theories man, got no basis at all.
xXArrowXx
Smash Champion
debating on the internet is not ********... it may not change beliefs, it may take up space.. but not ********.
i find it thought provoking... so you thought you could be right and feed your ego but saying stuff about people? very classy, but no one cares apart from me partly because i like to response to silly stuff like what you did typing out that pointless waste of time post.
i like wasting time.
i always thought it was cool that time goes slower in a moving plane than you being stationary. which is due to gravity. hypothethically if we had a race to the center of australia and you walked there and i took a detour around ionno pluto (i wavedashed really quick), yet we arrived at the same time. if we both carried sychronized watches, mine would be 2 seconds or so before yours. tiiiime dilation XD
as for the universe thing.. god could live in a different universe, doesn't really matter since if hes so good he could move in this world undected. some things people cant comprehend..
what do people think about super natural things? like toast that look like jesus lol or about the bricks used in the pyramids.. (perfect 10:16 squares). or anything else thats unexplpainable? is the answer a god like being, or science? or ??
and why does sieg dislike heaven and hell?
i find it thought provoking... so you thought you could be right and feed your ego but saying stuff about people? very classy, but no one cares apart from me partly because i like to response to silly stuff like what you did typing out that pointless waste of time post.
i like wasting time.
i always thought it was cool that time goes slower in a moving plane than you being stationary. which is due to gravity. hypothethically if we had a race to the center of australia and you walked there and i took a detour around ionno pluto (i wavedashed really quick), yet we arrived at the same time. if we both carried sychronized watches, mine would be 2 seconds or so before yours. tiiiime dilation XD
as for the universe thing.. god could live in a different universe, doesn't really matter since if hes so good he could move in this world undected. some things people cant comprehend..
what do people think about super natural things? like toast that look like jesus lol or about the bricks used in the pyramids.. (perfect 10:16 squares). or anything else thats unexplpainable? is the answer a god like being, or science? or ??
and why does sieg dislike heaven and hell?
swordsaint
Smash Master
random parts of the bread got more toasty than the others. super luck
my opinion on anything religious is that people need to stop taking a book that was written thousands of years ago so seriously. There's no proof anything happened ever. If we still to this day, didn't document history, what are the chances that anyone of us could write a book, say it's real and have people thousands of years in the future call it their "bible"?
my opinion on anything religious is that people need to stop taking a book that was written thousands of years ago so seriously. There's no proof anything happened ever. If we still to this day, didn't document history, what are the chances that anyone of us could write a book, say it's real and have people thousands of years in the future call it their "bible"?
xXArrowXx
Smash Champion
what are you talking about? show me this lack of proof..
i know some parts are medathorical but i know some parts have been proved as facts.. jesus did exist, divine or not.
the bible is a collection of short stories written by man in the bronze age its been translated we can only loosely tell its intention and some knowledge... imo.
contridictions are fine tho...
how is luck controlled? what is at the base of it all?
i know some parts are medathorical but i know some parts have been proved as facts.. jesus did exist, divine or not.
the bible is a collection of short stories written by man in the bronze age its been translated we can only loosely tell its intention and some knowledge... imo.
contridictions are fine tho...
how is luck controlled? what is at the base of it all?
Sirias
Smash Champion
You know I'm so sick of people saying **** like that: "my opinion on anything religious is that people need to stop taking a book that was written thousands of years ago so seriously. There's no proof anything happened ever. If we still to this day, didn't document history, what are the chances that anyone of us could write a book, say it's real and have people thousands of years in the future call it their "bible"?"
The hell, lol.
It's such a weak argument, honestly, or opinion rather.
Basically (saying) just as if you can't be fcuked looking into it so you'll just say: "Nah iz totes rtarded."
Why is totes a word, is a tote something?
I hate religion but I don't think it's unreal.
You can't disprove that some things aren't real as well, just being realistic does that.
But why not believe? Doesn't do any harm.
I don't really much care about extremists, but I think that the morals of most religions are good.
Taking the religions so far and literally is what imbeciles do.
And they make that religion look bad.
But they're the ones that stand out, they're not the ones you should listen to.
Still, entitled to opinions and such.
Blah blah, no point forcing any ideal onto someone.
Just saying, no harm, unless you're insane. c:
Like most Jesus-loving, bible-humping d!cks. <3
Edit:
Also as far as I can see you're only talking about The Bible, Scoot (swordsaint is Scoot, right?).
Not all religions are like that.
Take Buddah for example, he takes crack. <3
The hell, lol.
It's such a weak argument, honestly, or opinion rather.
Basically (saying) just as if you can't be fcuked looking into it so you'll just say: "Nah iz totes rtarded."
Why is totes a word, is a tote something?
I hate religion but I don't think it's unreal.
You can't disprove that some things aren't real as well, just being realistic does that.
But why not believe? Doesn't do any harm.
I don't really much care about extremists, but I think that the morals of most religions are good.
Taking the religions so far and literally is what imbeciles do.
And they make that religion look bad.
But they're the ones that stand out, they're not the ones you should listen to.
Still, entitled to opinions and such.
Blah blah, no point forcing any ideal onto someone.
Just saying, no harm, unless you're insane. c:
Like most Jesus-loving, bible-humping d!cks. <3
Edit:
Also as far as I can see you're only talking about The Bible, Scoot (swordsaint is Scoot, right?).
Not all religions are like that.
Take Buddah for example, he takes crack. <3
lmao no. 10
xXArrowXx
Smash Champion
these 2 realms aren't good and evil... its more like believers and non belivers... but i guess your goodness is judged.. or your manmade evil (circumstancial).
that is all =P since everyone is judged differently it is possible for say murderers to go to heaven if they regret and belive in god.. good deal imo...
totes is like total i think..
bible is abit weird like that noahs ark story.. you cant make a boat that big... i think its more medathorical.
bible is weird in other ways.. it was one of the first to support "outer space"... XD
you take what is good in the bible and follow that.. there is room for agrument tho it is to cater for the whole world... you can only justify so far tho..
yeah being to literal and extreme is bad -,-
btw i dont like churchie group hangouts they are soo brainwashy.
that is all =P since everyone is judged differently it is possible for say murderers to go to heaven if they regret and belive in god.. good deal imo...
totes is like total i think..
bible is abit weird like that noahs ark story.. you cant make a boat that big... i think its more medathorical.
bible is weird in other ways.. it was one of the first to support "outer space"... XD
you take what is good in the bible and follow that.. there is room for agrument tho it is to cater for the whole world... you can only justify so far tho..
yeah being to literal and extreme is bad -,-
btw i dont like churchie group hangouts they are soo brainwashy.
correct
What gives you license to butcher the Word of God into what you think is hard truth and what is allegory?
unreon
Smash Ace
I know all about quantum mechanics and multiverses, thank you very much. But perhaps I should have been clearer. Each “universe” sits as a singlular isolated island. Any communication between the two is, as it is currently known, is impossible and if it were it would be integrated within the realm of existence. Hence nullifying it’s ‘supernatural’ status. Which is why the idea of supernatural seems a bit absurd. If it exists; it’s no longer super ._.Somebody doesn't know much about quantum and parallel timelines
I’d also like to add one last step to this. There is an input from the visual centres in your brain to reconstruct the ‘pixels’ of light in the world to make more sense. Kind of like how everyone sees a different picture in clouds. I think that cloud looks a bunny, you see a dog. And further exploited in optical illusions.
Oh, and there’s also the other (very possible) idea that they are nothing but scammers making a quick buck :/ Kinda like when Australia got that first “saint” (lol) and suddenly these parents come out saying she allowed their dead son to come back and write on their walls with “some substance nobody has ever seen before”. Omgmiracles.
Faith. What a horrible consequence of ignoring or denying the staggering information and knowledge about the world around us.
Where’s my hope? Faith does not hold a monopoly on hope; nor any other concept such as an idea of the afterlife. What an abhorrent notion. Everyone who has met me knows - and if FFF is an indication of other people’s thoughts - I’m cheerier than 90% of the people here. I’m not one to reject an idea if I deem it unpleasant (for what would gravity be to me if I detest not being able to fly?). Nor am I one to delude myself into accepting another simply because it keeps me warm at night. It would be a gross violation of intellectual integrity to do so.
The world around us is of such beauty that the idea of an eternal afterlife of your personal paradise is meagre and stagnant by comparison. I love the fact that in order for me to be here, every single one of my ancestors – even the single-celled ones – were successful in copulating and continuing the lineage. That we are able to prevent diseases by injecting bits of the very things that cause disease, or to even prophesise diseases before they appear. It’s incredible that the continents sit on plates that slide across the earth’s surface to form all the mountains and landscape you see, and it’s incredible we were even able to measure it. It astounds me that our solar system is one of billions, and the others are so far away that it takes millions of years for the light to reach us. You know what this means? When you look up into the sky, you are – in every literal sense of these words – looking back into time. With the words of Haldane: “the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, it is queerer than we can suppose”.
I hang my hat of hope on other concepts. In no way am I concerned about the preservation of “I”; it would be selfish and presumptuous of me to do so. I have hopes on behalf of the entire human race. Maybe one day we can finally keep nature in balance, or feed those of need, colonise other worlds, communicate with other sentients. There’s so much to do and accomplish as a society just in this lifetime alone. So tell me why I should limit my understanding of reality to the constructs of human imagination, which is dull and uninspired by comparison?
One final note: The human consciousness is what the brain does. Just like pumping blood is what the heart does, or how breathing is what the lungs do. Otherworldly explainations of consciousness have the unfortunate paradoxical hindrance in that they don’t explain anything. It’s superfluous. And if our consciousness is something sacred and ethereal, then I propose that you bonk something solid and hard against your skull and see which bits of it fall out.
This is exactly how The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (aka. Mormonism) started out =)
Cognitive dissonance? He believes in The Bible, for the same reasons you believe in the afterlife. On faith.
Just like to interject in saying “How are you not getting this?”. If someone is making a positive claim of existence e.g. “Jesus existed”, then the burden is on YOU to show POSITIVE evidence that your claim is correct. Not the other way around. How can one show NEGATIVE evidence of existence?
Show me evidence that these are wrong:
“My garden is home to leprechauns, fairies, and invisible pink unicorns.”
“My garage is home to a huge invisible ethereal dragon that breathes heatless flames, doesn’t need feeding, and levitates all the time. He’s my best friend.”
“Our entire existence, as we know it today, is simply the dreams of a cosmic purple bunny”
There are an infinite number of things that anyone can propose as true, and it is not up to us to show that they are wrong. The onus is on you to prove yourself right.
So much wrong in this post :/ But I’m done for today, will return next week =)
Pete278
Smash Lord
Well, that's not really at all what you said first off.
But I apologize for jumping the gun, then, anyway.
unreon
Smash Ace
Then I apologise on my half too!Well, that's not really at all what you said first off.
And all is good with the world =)