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Should Metaknight be Banned? ***Take 3***
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Yami Akatsuki
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Lol The Guy Made A Point And U Banned Him Get A Life 4 Real Nerd. The Funney Thing Is I Know Y U Banned Him Cuz U Knew He Waz Right Look Who Uses Snake U Do Lol True Nub So When Did U Look On The List 2 Years Ago Since Ur A Moderator U Have No Life Go Out Side Get Friends Nerd The Guy Waz Right I Dont Care If I Get Banned But All I Know Is I Agree With Him Ur A Noob And A Nerd And Have No Life Get One Snake User No Skill Mk Users No Skill GET A LIFE
PS NERDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD SHE KNOWS SHE IS BAN ME I DONT CARE BECAUSE UR ARE WRONG AND Hylian IS RIGHT NOOB
Pez55
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Good point, I am anti-ban as well so I can't really argue with this.
Falconv1.0
Smash Master
This trolling, it's delicious.
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demonictoonlink
Smash Master
Don't people have anything better to do...
Really? Trolling a gaming site...
Really? Trolling a gaming site...
Falconv1.0
Smash Master
You act like it's uncommon or not fun as hell for some people.
Your surprise is hilarious.
SuSa
Banned via Administration
Who wants to be infracted for spam? Get on topic people.....
Although it's been the same arguments since like... page 4.... and nothing new is coming up.
Oh, and Sheik may have a possible infinite on Meta Knight. I haven't bothered to look into it or anything. But finally people are finding things against him?
Although it's been the same arguments since like... page 4.... and nothing new is coming up.
Oh, and Sheik may have a possible infinite on Meta Knight. I haven't bothered to look into it or anything. But finally people are finding things against him?
SuSa
Banned via Administration
Far from a counterpick unless this infinite is much easier to do then I thought.
Also it's less of an infinite, more of a low% > death combo from what I've read/seen.
It could change the matchup a bit.
Also it's less of an infinite, more of a low% > death combo from what I've read/seen.
It could change the matchup a bit.
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I only want Meta Knight banned so low-tier characters can have a chance at competitive events.
Meta Knight has a significant advantage over all but two low-tier characters, and even then, winning isn't easy for them. It's difficult for users of these characters to win at tournaments because of the abundance of Meta Knight players overwhelming Brawl's competitive scene. Less people are using lower-tier characters, and their metagames are stagnant as a result. As an example, look at the Samus board. There are only 15 people posting there, at most. She's also the least-used character on All is Brawl's singles ladder according to the most recent character statistics release, returning a 0.36% playerbase percentage, compared to Meta Knight's ~40%. Her metagame hasn't had any developments since December 2008.
Some low-tier characters have some favorable match-ups against characters in the higher-tiers, but no one wants to use them, because they yield the least chance of victory against Meta Knight. Again, using Samus as an example, she has a large variety of projectiles and high priority on some moves that could potentially counter Snake, but it isn't being explored because everyone's largely focused on Meta Knight and the rest of the top-tier characters. This is really reducing the variety in Brawl, but people brush it off as not being a big deal. Some of us are trying to prove that lower-tier characters really don't suck that much, but it's hard to do when you're outnumbered 100-to-one. With him gone, it would open up opportunities for lower-tier characters that weren't possible with him factored into the general metagame.
Please, just ban him so the low tiers can move forward instead of being indefinitely stuck in place.
Meta Knight has a significant advantage over all but two low-tier characters, and even then, winning isn't easy for them. It's difficult for users of these characters to win at tournaments because of the abundance of Meta Knight players overwhelming Brawl's competitive scene. Less people are using lower-tier characters, and their metagames are stagnant as a result. As an example, look at the Samus board. There are only 15 people posting there, at most. She's also the least-used character on All is Brawl's singles ladder according to the most recent character statistics release, returning a 0.36% playerbase percentage, compared to Meta Knight's ~40%. Her metagame hasn't had any developments since December 2008.
Some low-tier characters have some favorable match-ups against characters in the higher-tiers, but no one wants to use them, because they yield the least chance of victory against Meta Knight. Again, using Samus as an example, she has a large variety of projectiles and high priority on some moves that could potentially counter Snake, but it isn't being explored because everyone's largely focused on Meta Knight and the rest of the top-tier characters. This is really reducing the variety in Brawl, but people brush it off as not being a big deal. Some of us are trying to prove that lower-tier characters really don't suck that much, but it's hard to do when you're outnumbered 100-to-one. With him gone, it would open up opportunities for lower-tier characters that weren't possible with him factored into the general metagame.
Please, just ban him so the low tiers can move forward instead of being indefinitely stuck in place.
Pez55
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I just think that low-tier characters won't be given much attention even with MK being banned. I think people will use higher tier characters and ignore the lower tier.
This is not why we ban things.
No he doesn't. Have you even glanced at a matchup chart? MK isn't a worst matchup for a single other character.
The object of banning is to make things fairer for players, not characters. Some characters are going to be inviable, or if not completely inviable, pretty close to it. Get over it.
I assure you, Meta Knight is not the only reason people aren't using characters like Captain Falcon or Ganondorf.
And the highest matchup any lower-tier character has against moderately high-tier characters is 60-40. Link against D3? Ike against IC's? What's the point of picking easily-countered low-tiers to have a 60-40 matchup against characters that have other, more highly disadvantageous matchups, all within their same tier?
If low-tier characters don't suck, then go out and win a Snake-infested major tournament with one (preferably Samus). Problem solved.
Falconv1.0
Smash Master
The idea that MK is the sole reason low tiers dont do well may be the stupidest thing I've read in this entire thread.
Alus
Smash Champion
Well...there is the issue where you nerf MK with the handicap system...
I don't know which is dumber...
SuSa
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Er. He may be a bad tester (read his latest post)...
Yes, things can be SDI'd out of. But if you SDI the bair, Sheik should be able to Pivot Boost > ftilt and continue it anyways.
If you try to SDI the ftilt so he cannot footstool you - it may prolong the ftilt lock leading to worse things.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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If this infinite is the one I am thinking about I know that guy xD
Palpi
Smash Hero
You play samus. METAKNIGHT IS ONE OF MANY CHARACTERS WHO BEATS SAMUS. METAKNIGHT IS NOT THE ONLY CHARACTER HOLDING ANY OF THE LOW TIERS BACK. NOTHING WILL CHANGE FOR LOW TIERS IF METAKNIGHT IS BANNED .
how many infinites does sheik have? XD
Dragonslayer9
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZyZ2JzHBgM&feature=channel_page
I think Snake can sort of counter MK with his keepaway game and the fact that MK is mid-light weight so those explosives really hurt him.
I think Snake can sort of counter MK with his keepaway game and the fact that MK is mid-light weight so those explosives really hurt him.
Masmasher@
Smash Lord
Well he cant counter him but hes a close matchup in my opinion. off stage though he gets *****.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
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You can't base a matchup off one set, that's already been pointed out so many times.
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Sweet Jesus you guys are getting desperate.
Taking out mk is going to make a lot more ****ty characters usable. TOurneys will become more fun because every other match wont be fighting an mk.
At least ban him in doubles. I'd bet that 75% of doubles teams have an mk. ITs ridiculous.
At least ban him in doubles. I'd bet that 75% of doubles teams have an mk. ITs ridiculous.
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
What Nic said. I can't think of a low-mid tier who is made inviable by MK, and as annoying as it is to see dozens of metaknights, I prefer MK matchups to Oli, Rob, DDD, Falco... Shall I go on?
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Blaming the position of Low Tier characters on Meta Knight is not a valid reason for a ban. Low Tier characters are in Low Tier because they are bad, not because they have bad matchups against Meta Knight. They wouldn't be viable even without Meta Knight present.
The only character who would gain profit out of this would be Marth, as he is the only character who has no hard counters but Meta Knight.
The only character who would gain profit out of this would be Marth, as he is the only character who has no hard counters but Meta Knight.
Jupz
Smash Master
I can't believe this is still going on... Metaknight isnt even good enough to be banned. People are viewing him as unbeatable... look at the apex results, where almost all the good players were there. At Whobo many pro players were missing. Just change the way you view him and once the intimidation factor is gone he becomes easier.
brinboy789
Smash Champion
there is not ONE character that MK makes unviable singlehandidly. true facts.
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Marth. Okay, not inviable, but definitely much worse. >.<
I've gone from anti-ban (really nooby, didn't know how good MK was) to pro-ban (picked him up and pwned) back to anti-ban. All of the recent things turning up make me believe that the meta is advancing and will advance with or without Meta. He has an arguably bad matchup now, and a few arguably even ones (bowser and Wario/Snake respectively), plus with the shiek infinite... Ionno. Either way, banning meta knight should have to wait until he gets another IDC that we can't ban as easily. Or planking becomes a far bigger problem than it is now.
Liquid Gen
Smash Ace
hahaha ok
Regardless, If I wanted someone banned because it was hard I'd go with Game and Watch. Seriously guys, he can nair you over and over!! With a parachute!!!!
Yeah, no.
Masmasher@
Smash Lord
No one can plank as good as MK
gm jack
Smash Lord
If they are using ledge tricks to force you back and to keep you off guard, well played them. If they do it constantly, it is stalling. You win.
Monkey Business
Smash Cadet
I don't like meta knight at all
I don't think he should be banned, just the people who play as him
I don't think he should be banned, just the people who play as him
Alus
Smash Champion
Not really...
It just puts a layer of puzzle in front of your opponent...its not like its impossible to get hit or anything...
M2K!!!!I don't like meta knight at all
I don't think he should be banned, just the people who play as him
You're BANNED!!!! D:
Why do people keep saying this? Where does this come from? Why this makes no sense was just addressed on this page. >.>
META KNIGHT DOES NOT **** LOW TIERS ANY WORSE THAN THEY WOULD NORMALLY BE *****! IF YOU WANT TO BAN CHARACTERS THAT SHUT DOWN LOW TIERS LOOK AT: DDD, Falco, and Marth.
100% of doubles teams having MK does not warrant a ban.
Seriously, everyone remember that banning a character is for dire situations only.
Palpi
Smash Hero
G&W ***** low tiers a lot....
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