Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
Shiek and Yoshi have an even matchup.... The Yoshi fails fallacy is getting old.
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Sheik's Counterpicks Against Specific Characters (Link current)
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Advantage Sheik, though not a large one, IMO. Sheik wins by virtue of better overall options rather than any gimmicks in that matchup.
Flamingo.... I somehow doubt your statement of skill, but maybe I'm just miswatching certain things.
Flamingo.... I somehow doubt your statement of skill, but maybe I'm just miswatching certain things.
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
Oh my lord at that video. Flamingo, you do realise the shield buttons are for more then just rolling constantly, dont you?
Conclusively
Smash Journeyman
LOL. Flamingo, you should watch yourself before you start insulting someone better than you. This isn't the first week of Brawl. Yoshi can be good. And.. lern2shield/dodge.
Flamingo
Smash Lord
Hahaha yeah, Im not too proud of that video, can I redeem myself by posting some new ones? 
BTW we were messing around on a BANNED stage >.<
But my playstyle has a lot less roll dodging now, it was a bad habit I had been in ever since the start of brawl cause I used to play pit/lucario.
Never fear! I will have videos up soon.
BTW we were messing around on a BANNED stage >.<
But my playstyle has a lot less roll dodging now, it was a bad habit I had been in ever since the start of brawl cause I used to play pit/lucario.
Never fear! I will have videos up soon.
Flamingo
Smash Lord
I know this is a double post... but back on topic, Lylat is not as good for Sheik as I had thought. Updating my last on-topic post, I went and tested with Samus on Lylat. It turns out that her missiles easily go over the middle plateau, and the plasma cannon is indeed NOT disrupted as it passes THROUGH the stage. Still, I think Sheik has the upper hand on this stage by a little, but not as much as she has on Battlefield, etc.
Be nice if you stopped arguing over your skills flamingo and started posting something that is even remotely useful. Not trying to sound rude, but it gets annoying.
Put down Battlefield and rainbow cruise for samus, moving on to ic.
not having internet work at house sucks...
Put down Battlefield and rainbow cruise for samus, moving on to ic.
not having internet work at house sucks...
Villi
Smash Lord
Pokemon Stadium might be ok against ICs since if you do happen to get grabbed, you might be saved by the stage changing.
Norfair if it's legal. You can come at them from all sorts of difficult to grab angles.
Battlefield as they're chain campable. Their downb might be able to outrange it, but it can stop the rest of their approaches and ice blocks. On FD, it works the same way and gives you more room to avoid their grabs and aerials.
Norfair if it's legal. You can come at them from all sorts of difficult to grab angles.
Battlefield as they're chain campable. Their downb might be able to outrange it, but it can stop the rest of their approaches and ice blocks. On FD, it works the same way and gives you more room to avoid their grabs and aerials.
Pretty much any non-neutral, Yoshi's Island, and Lylat will mess with the ICs chaingrabs.
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
Am I missing something, why has no one mentioned Rainbow Cruise?
The stage forces IC to go aerial, meaning death grabs are less to worry about and Shiek actually can hold her own in the air against them. Not to mention the stage can make the IC easily seperated because Nana is **** stupid and you can capitalise on this well, especially on parts with very close KO barriers. Not to mention the death grabs take time that IC often don't have, so even if despite this they still grab you, it's likely not to death still.
Be an annoying run away ***** on this stage and the matchup can actually become tolerable.
The stage forces IC to go aerial, meaning death grabs are less to worry about and Shiek actually can hold her own in the air against them. Not to mention the stage can make the IC easily seperated because Nana is **** stupid and you can capitalise on this well, especially on parts with very close KO barriers. Not to mention the death grabs take time that IC often don't have, so even if despite this they still grab you, it's likely not to death still.
Be an annoying run away ***** on this stage and the matchup can actually become tolerable.
Flamingo
Smash Lord
Agreed. They can't operate very well on Rainbow Cruise.
Btw. Why do you have Wario listed twice?
Btw. Why do you have Wario listed twice?
Tristan_win
Not dead.
Blistering Speed hit the nail on the head as Rainbow Cruise is the best level to fight the Ice climbers on.
If they banned it though then I guess Norfair would be the next best thing.
If they banned it though then I guess Norfair would be the next best thing.
JackieRabbit5
Smash Journeyman
am i correct in saying most ppl switch to zelda vs ice climbers?
those chaingrabs are obviously the biggest worry...i'd agree w/ Rainbow Cruise and Norfair
those chaingrabs are obviously the biggest worry...i'd agree w/ Rainbow Cruise and Norfair
Flamingo
Smash Lord
Idk, I've heard a lot of people say that Zelda is better vs. them but personally I like Sheik. If I can get them separated, I can fair gimp nana fairly easily.
Also, I was wondering about Frigate Orpheon, the Stage flip could save you from CG's (although you cant rely upon that, cause it doesnt flip too much) But off the right side of the stage, doesnt Nana automatically die if they use Up+B? Cause usually she suicides if they dont both grab the ledge... I mean I could be wrong, I just thought we might as well discuss it.
CPing Frigate Orpheon is an immediate character change.
Tristan_win
Not dead.
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That's right... Frigate Orpheon would be a much better choice then Norfair against the Ice climbers.
That's right... Frigate Orpheon would be a much better choice then Norfair against the Ice climbers.
Yeah...
Put Rainbow Cruise, Norfair, and Frigate for Ic. Pikachu coming up.
Put Rainbow Cruise, Norfair, and Frigate for Ic. Pikachu coming up.
Whenever a matchup comes up that I don't know how to counterpick, I go Battlefield. It usually works.
This is one of those matchups.
This is one of those matchups.
Pika is good on any level I swear.
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
Pikachu's can usually work well on virtually any stage, thanks to his good mobility and brilliant recovery. However one thing which we can hinder is his camping, because in my experience most Pikachu's are campy and frustrating to approach. So Im thinking anything with lots of platforms to get in the way or for you to be on so the bolt doesn't reach you.
SinkingHigher
Smash Lord
In my experience it takes quite a while for Pikas to adapt to platforms.
Battlefield, Pit's stage, Temple, etc.. all pretty much negate Thunder for you, so that's one less move you ever need to worry about. I would recommend something like battlefield though since you get complete coverage and it's easier to edgeguard when there are only two edges.
Maybe it's just my experience, but for some reason Pikas seem to have a lot of trouble with Frigate. I don't really know why.
Plus they can't grab the right ledge for most of the time, and for the majority of the match there's a platform above you.
Battlefield, Pit's stage, Temple, etc.. all pretty much negate Thunder for you, so that's one less move you ever need to worry about. I would recommend something like battlefield though since you get complete coverage and it's easier to edgeguard when there are only two edges.
Maybe it's just my experience, but for some reason Pikas seem to have a lot of trouble with Frigate. I don't really know why.
Plus they can't grab the right ledge for most of the time, and for the majority of the match there's a platform above you.
Villi
Smash Lord
Can someone explain Frigate Orpheon and the Ice Climbers to me?
For Pikachu, I am most worried about his chain grab. Neutral b is taken care of by power shielding, down smash by smash DI, and thunder by good DI and air dodging.
I would prefer a bigger stage like Final Destination against Pikachu. I'd like to be able to hit and run as much as I can until I reach the percent when he can't chain grab Sheik.
I wonder what a match on Jungle Japes would be like... lol
For Pikachu, I am most worried about his chain grab. Neutral b is taken care of by power shielding, down smash by smash DI, and thunder by good DI and air dodging.
I would prefer a bigger stage like Final Destination against Pikachu. I'd like to be able to hit and run as much as I can until I reach the percent when he can't chain grab Sheik.
I wonder what a match on Jungle Japes would be like... lol
Flamingo
Smash Lord
Yay Werekill, I contributing better?
Anyways, I'd CP a Pikachu with Lylat and Battlefield, Harder for him to do those jumping Thundershocks for spacing, and if he misses a Down+B, he's left wide open for a sec or two considering he usually doesn't hit himself with the thunder due to the plats.
I think any pikachu in his right mind would WANT Final Destination... That's usually their 1st pick map when I play them... Um I still say BF and Lylat are best, but what about Norfair guys? I mean we can adequately dodge the thundershocks due to the massive number of platforms, but I admit being a dummy I forgot about his CG myself, but due to the limited amount of horizontal distance on the stage on a single platform, it nullifies Fthrow CG, I'm not sure about Dthrow. I mean lava could save us haha... what do you guys think?
demodemo
Smash Ace
i think pikachu's dthrow CG can be jumped out of. and the forward one doesn't last that long (only for big stages)
Villi
Smash Lord
This is the last I heard of it: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=184584
It's never been done to me, so I don't know. It looks like Sheik was jumping before footstooling Pika, but it doesn't look like Pikachu's timing was consistent. It might be difficult, but it's a standing chain grab.
It's never been done to me, so I don't know. It looks like Sheik was jumping before footstooling Pika, but it doesn't look like Pikachu's timing was consistent. It might be difficult, but it's a standing chain grab.
an easy way to avoid chain grabs like this one is taking damage. (similar to how at high percents you can ftilt -> death) but I don't even think thats a chain grab on sheik...
don't worry about "being camped"your needles are a better projectile. platforms make thunder shock... what every it's called useless since the move is so slow. needles go through it too so yeah, pika needs to approach you no matter what stage you pick.
but that isn't necessarily a bad thing for pika. He has a lot of "mid range" junk that makes needles a lot less of an option. decent tilts and really good priority makes attacking him a little more difficult even after you've forced him on the offensive. Even when you see attacks coming you can say no to them. Depending on how the match is going I'd even consider going zelda just because her big DJHBes (dis-jointed hit box) will actually beat out pikas annoying fair and speedly annoying little tilts.
Oh yeah! I think it is that same priority that makes "combos" that work well on other characters impossible in this match up... I think I don't play other pikachus I'mjust going off of my own pika and it is far from good.
don't worry about "being camped"your needles are a better projectile. platforms make thunder shock... what every it's called useless since the move is so slow. needles go through it too so yeah, pika needs to approach you no matter what stage you pick.
but that isn't necessarily a bad thing for pika. He has a lot of "mid range" junk that makes needles a lot less of an option. decent tilts and really good priority makes attacking him a little more difficult even after you've forced him on the offensive. Even when you see attacks coming you can say no to them. Depending on how the match is going I'd even consider going zelda just because her big DJHBes (dis-jointed hit box) will actually beat out pikas annoying fair and speedly annoying little tilts.
Oh yeah! I think it is that same priority that makes "combos" that work well on other characters impossible in this match up... I think I don't play other pikachus I'mjust going off of my own pika and it is far from good.
Well, I'm gonna put down battlefield for Pikachu.
Next is pit.
Next is pit.
Flamingo
Smash Lord
You should also put Lylat down... every Pika main is going to use his stage ban on BF... Lylat is the second best, and if you have ever been to a tournament, Pika mainers DON'T play BF, ESPECIALLY when they are playing vs. a Sheik.
Thanks.Current Discussion
Ummmm Pit... BF seems safe... You know its kind of small, so he isn't that safe when using arrows... we've got a better game with platforms than he does IMO, so BF is my pick. Another thought is Yoshi's Island... Idk, some Pits I understand when forced to Up+B to recover, will go underneath the stage to grab the opposite legde, he can't do that on Yoshi's and furthermore when he does do it, it's an easy gimp because he'll be right up against that wall. Also... we have wall jumps to recover with if we have to go down that far
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I know I use a lot of commas.... xD
Flamingo, I wouldn't be talking about tournament experience if I were you. : j
lylat isn't all that good for sheik IMO... it stops needles a lot of the time and you can't spam them to force approach. Up smash and utilt aren't amazing on the platforms there.
For pit don't go FD, Frigate immediately comes to mind though.
For pit don't go FD, Frigate immediately comes to mind though.
Flamingo
Smash Lord
I'm not talking about experience... I'm talking about rules... and logic for that matter. If you mained pika, what stage would u ban?? C'mon lets be realistic... It's one thing to have a good stage for your opponent's character, and another for you to have a BAD stage for YOUR character... If you played Pika, which would you ban? Probably the one that is bad for you, in this case, battlefield...
Idk, I have been to a tournament (placed 5/32 or sumthin :D), Werekill could have gone to tourneys too and placed well, regardless, all I'm saying is that we should list 2 CP stages/character sa opposed to only 1 because the opponent will get a ban.
BACK TO PIT
Rules and logic, and experience at ONE tournament, have given you insight into every character in the game? Is that where you got that idea that Kirby is a bad character and nobody should ever lose to Yoshi's? It must take a pretty piss-poor Pikachu to somehow do bad on Battlefield. I don't know where you get off saying things like you know what you're talking about when you very clearly don't.
Flamingo
Smash Lord
I dont think I said kirby was bad.. haha. And why would Pikachus like BF...?
Please please PLEASE do not feign ignorance... well you're probably not feigning it actually.
Why would Pikachus not like Battlefield?
rinoH
Smash Lord
I main pit and one of the worst stages for us is yoshi's island and Lylat cruise because it really messus up our arrows
Flamingo
Smash Lord
Kirby is a BAD MATCHUP for us... learn context. PlzThx.
You heard the Pit mainer. haha. Btw, the stage slants on Yoshi's and Lylat might mess with Pit's little CG also, it might not too. Just something to consider.
Dear Sheik Boards,
I'm outta here. Enjoy Flamingo.
Sincerely,
Ankoku
I'm outta here. Enjoy Flamingo.
Sincerely,
Ankoku
Flamingo
Smash Lord
He's not. haha lets stay on topic and not flood pretty much the only useful thread on the Sheik forums that isn't locked.. Need a break? --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F85sWIybFk0
Back on topic...
Back on topic...
JackieRabbit5
Smash Journeyman
yeah c'mon guys stop flaming...we're all Sheik mains here
as for Pit matchup can't say i have much experience with that one...i might say Yoshi's Island (brawl) though, seems like it might be easier to gimp him there, he can't go under stage or anything and there is some arrow interference
as for Pit matchup can't say i have much experience with that one...i might say Yoshi's Island (brawl) though, seems like it might be easier to gimp him there, he can't go under stage or anything and there is some arrow interference
KillerSOS
Smash Champion
Shiek boards are almost as bad as Oli boards! =D ... I am here for da tasty spamz!