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Sheik Video & Video Critique Thread
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sheikamaru
jive
need critique plz.. this guy is either bot or top of a tier or b tier respectively so he's really good. this is the first time i fought him in tourney but i'm pretty sure i can get him next time if crap doesn't happen
sheikamaru
jive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_Pg3dqUBto
another tourney match.. can post this for the sonic vs sheik mu if you want.. it's not espy but it's a sonic lol
another tourney match.. can post this for the sonic vs sheik mu if you want.. it's not espy but it's a sonic lol
Tristan_win
Not dead.
Well he's not a bot, he made a lot of mistakes as did both of you throughout the match up.
The two biggest being your spacing and how aggressive you were being throughout the match, you should be throwing way more needles. If your not in side B range you should always be stocking needles unless your in a favorable position. I can't stress that enough because that changes the match up. Once you start making him come to you then it's much easier to take full advantage of Zss design flaws.
Flaws suchs as,
Side B has a huge hole in the middle (like anyone didn't know that)
Ground jab can't combo into the third hit (unless your airborne if I recall correctly)
Extremely long cool down on grab which more or less guarantees a free dacus every time they miss.
Sheik can duck under the later part of Zss dash attack thus removing her best method of closing in.
Lack of any aerial shield pressure beyond side B.
Zss neutral B putting her in dash attack range.
What just kills Zss is when the match starts begin planking on the edge or camping on the platforms until her suit pieces disappear, stack needles if she's far away, throw them when they are in range, beyond that crouching and waiting to either sidestep, shield, or downtilt(to counter aerial attacks). Although when the chance present it's self become aggressive and combo her, your boxing game can get you pretty far in the match up alone.
If you play defense against Zss the match swing something close to 60/40 sheik advantage.
The two biggest being your spacing and how aggressive you were being throughout the match, you should be throwing way more needles. If your not in side B range you should always be stocking needles unless your in a favorable position. I can't stress that enough because that changes the match up. Once you start making him come to you then it's much easier to take full advantage of Zss design flaws.
Flaws suchs as,
Side B has a huge hole in the middle (like anyone didn't know that)
Ground jab can't combo into the third hit (unless your airborne if I recall correctly)
Extremely long cool down on grab which more or less guarantees a free dacus every time they miss.
Sheik can duck under the later part of Zss dash attack thus removing her best method of closing in.
Lack of any aerial shield pressure beyond side B.
Zss neutral B putting her in dash attack range.
What just kills Zss is when the match starts begin planking on the edge or camping on the platforms until her suit pieces disappear, stack needles if she's far away, throw them when they are in range, beyond that crouching and waiting to either sidestep, shield, or downtilt(to counter aerial attacks). Although when the chance present it's self become aggressive and combo her, your boxing game can get you pretty far in the match up alone.
If you play defense against Zss the match swing something close to 60/40 sheik advantage.
iLight
Smash Lord
i sad the only matches of me playing vs sonic and or zss i lose both sonic matches and 2/3 zss matches /wrists
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09NCi6p9_EI
critique mah noob sheik. The beginning looks horribad, but it gets better.
critique mah noob sheik. The beginning looks horribad, but it gets better.
Phil.
i know your still working on stuff and everything, but you telegraph your DACUS attempts. I could tell all of the dash attack were failed DACUS attempts and it was painfully obvious when you were gonna try one.
If your ever gonna DACUS in a match without a grab release, it needs to come as a total surprise. You do a lot of random things in general like FH needles and stuff lol.
Also way too much approaching. You had the lead I would have just stood still lol.
You seem to have most of the fundamentals down now it seems you just need to learn the more advanced stuff with Sheik like spacing, when to FF your aerials, staying safer....etc.
i know your still working on stuff and everything, but you telegraph your DACUS attempts. I could tell all of the dash attack were failed DACUS attempts and it was painfully obvious when you were gonna try one.
If your ever gonna DACUS in a match without a grab release, it needs to come as a total surprise. You do a lot of random things in general like FH needles and stuff lol.
Also way too much approaching. You had the lead I would have just stood still lol.
You seem to have most of the fundamentals down now it seems you just need to learn the more advanced stuff with Sheik like spacing, when to FF your aerials, staying safer....etc.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
hehe yeah, I had hypoDACUSitis. Thanks for the critique!
I just realized how many times I could've jabbed instead when I was inside and got more damage
not to mention I could've DI'd out of ZSS jab more.
rough sheik is rough lulz. 1/4 of those DAs were supposed to be DACUS's, and 1-2 of those vanishes were supposed to be FH needles.
I love FH needles after throws, because I can do damage w/o the risk of missing/retaliation from a chase, and sometimes you get another chase off of it. low risk, high reward, y'know?
Oh and this is a friendly match, I would probably play much more conservatively in tournament lol.
I just realized how many times I could've jabbed instead when I was inside and got more damage
not to mention I could've DI'd out of ZSS jab more.rough sheik is rough lulz. 1/4 of those DAs were supposed to be DACUS's, and 1-2 of those vanishes were supposed to be FH needles.
I love FH needles after throws, because I can do damage w/o the risk of missing/retaliation from a chase, and sometimes you get another chase off of it. low risk, high reward, y'know?
Oh and this is a friendly match, I would probably play much more conservatively in tournament lol.
good stuff. only suggestions I have are punish soinic's landing with needles every time free damage and it really adds up. (even spring board to down air = free garunteed damage for example)
jab1>jab2>dsmash or nair very strong ate kill percents don't forget you have it.
don't dsmash so much you are staling it and generally have better options that will do similar or more damage! too risky. when dsmash is garunteed jab2 into grab is going to net you better damage and better follow up options, or jab2 into dsmash or nair is going to net you more damage and garunteed (for the most part) the kill move connecting.
I saw you finish ftilt with dsmash, on characters like ZSS she could downB of utilt but it is at no risk to you. so finish you ftilt locks at higher up with utilt or uair they both do the same damage as hit 1 of dsmash but since you'll get more ftilts in you'll be netting more damage over all, you'll decay your ftilt more, and you'll be left with better follow up options.
needle landing lag. You did it a few times in there but there were tons of times you missed it going for dacus instead.
love the full hop needles. very attractive no sheiks do that it really is low risk and can yield pretty good damage and good follow ups.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Yeah I did this match as a warmup and I'm like "FH needles are pretty tight". I've gotten fthrow -> read DI -> FH needles -> FF -> ftilt lock -> usmash, felt like a million bucks.
Interesting, I'll keep in mind to use more utilt and uair. I love dsmash b/c the high knockback allows me to reset to a neutral situation, and thus charge more needles safely, but yeah I should probably start limiting it to low percents. I noticed that against heavies/FFers, a lot of people will get utilt -> DA at low percents, is that reliable?
Man I hate losing DACUS consistency after a long hiatus
Imo it's about as much a hard read as vanish, the thing I like about vanish though is that it looks like a spotdodge, so people will try to punish the latter end, when the invincibility frames kick in
I didn't use it a lot in this match because I was getting pressured by jab a lot, which I feel I should just DI out and punish more, but atm I feel like both are very usable.
Interesting, I'll keep in mind to use more utilt and uair. I love dsmash b/c the high knockback allows me to reset to a neutral situation, and thus charge more needles safely, but yeah I should probably start limiting it to low percents. I noticed that against heavies/FFers, a lot of people will get utilt -> DA at low percents, is that reliable?
Man I hate losing DACUS consistency after a long hiatus
Imo it's about as much a hard read as vanish, the thing I like about vanish though is that it looks like a spotdodge, so people will try to punish the latter end, when the invincibility frames kick in I didn't use it a lot in this match because I was getting pressured by jab a lot, which I feel I should just DI out and punish more, but atm I feel like both are very usable.
TKD
Smash Lord
From my experience...
I dacus a lot too (I think it's a lot, but it depends). I either perform them as a combo (so there's pretty much no chance to punish), from a grab release, or as a punish (as soon as ddd whiffs his sidetilt, if i block something with lots of cooldown, etc).
Random usmash can also work depending on the opponent's attitude, either it's totally unexpected or the opponent's very passive so you space it to be relatively safe on block (release it near them as you pass through).
Aiming to land the sweetspot vs aerial opponent will usually result in either them airdodging or getting hit.
I dacus a lot too (I think it's a lot, but it depends). I either perform them as a combo (so there's pretty much no chance to punish), from a grab release, or as a punish (as soon as ddd whiffs his sidetilt, if i block something with lots of cooldown, etc).
Random usmash can also work depending on the opponent's attitude, either it's totally unexpected or the opponent's very passive so you space it to be relatively safe on block (release it near them as you pass through).
Aiming to land the sweetspot vs aerial opponent will usually result in either them airdodging or getting hit.
Yeah I don't think I said that but that's exactly how I feel. the window is too small to reliably punish landing with dacus IMO against most of the cast. you move so fast that you'll run into most pokes before the opponent has that landing lag that you were aimming to punish even if you did time it perfectly.
don't feel like you need to work so hard to charge needles. You can charge them while recovering/after knock back, you can charge them just outside of attack range pretty comfortably too. (which is neat because you can also then mix in instant cancels to force interesting reactions, spot dodges, rolls jumps, ect. because it looks like you'll needle toss) you can normally cancel and shield or jab on reaction or worst case roll.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Yeah, long cooldown on moves = DACUS fodder.
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
Don't bother charging needles until the pieces are gone. You're just going to frame trap yourself and take one to the face. also if you get in between ZSS and her pieces you should get the pieces yourself and either use them against her or throw them off stage if you don't feel comfortable with your item game. You spot dodge way too much against zero suit samus. This zero suit in particular mainly went for D-smash's to the point where it was getting telegraphed, but you kept spot-dodging and getting hit by them. ZSS snowballs really well so you have to take care in letting her get started. Overall I really like your Bair's but you rely on it too much, and by the end of your first stock game 1 the ZSS had already figured out a way to counter it, and thats where your game really fell apart. It's kind of like you're relying on Bair to win. I don't mean to say you should stop doing it, but find other things you can approach with.
Game 1: You were having a really hard time getting the kill, and while DS4 didn't capitalize, you were often way too far off/below the stage going for the super risky kill with a stale move, this lead to your SD on your second stock. You're pressure game is really good, DS4 was having a really hard time regaining his distance from you. And even tho you weren't getting the kills until 150% you weren't taking much damage, making the best out of a bad situation.
Game 2: Too much spot dodging, almost every time you missed an aerial you'd land and spot dodge. and once again you chased him too far/low and got punished hard for it. 1st stock d-smash gimp, 3rd stock you got spiked. Your second stock was going pretty good for a while, but then you lost momentum and air dodged into a charged u-smash (I guess you were expecting a bair or a uair). I'm not sure what would have been a better option, it was kind of a gamble, but even though air dodging might not have been a bad choice, you shouldn't have done it away from him lol.
Game 3: You fixed the only issue you were having in game 1. You saved your nair for kills and that made a huge difference. No having to chase mad far off the stage means a smaller chance of getting gimped. You also did a great job frame trapping with your u-air into nair. You still did the miss aerial into auto-spotdodge thing so watch out for that.
I don't have anything to add that hasn't been said. You could nair oos to mix up your oos punishes.
It's Tutu because Premium is borked and he wanted a namechange.
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
Yeah I'm Tutu O:
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
Replays from my last tournament. I've been trying to pick up other characters which is why some of my replays aren't all Sheik.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTHaYB95hRM&feature=related (Tutu vs ArcRevived )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB_49o-uQEU (Tutu vs Ron ) Even though the whole set is recorded I only went Sheik game 1. Game 2 I choose to do a Mk ditto on Delfino
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZs5ZFXpLZQ (Tutu vs Pzo ) Games 2 and 3 were the ones I played as Sheik. Game 2 begins at 3:55)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTHaYB95hRM&feature=related (Tutu
vs ArcRevived )http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB_49o-uQEU (Tutu
vs Ron ) Even though the whole set is recorded I only went Sheik game 1. Game 2 I choose to do a Mk ditto on Delfinohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZs5ZFXpLZQ (Tutu
vs Pzo ) Games 2 and 3 were the ones I played as Sheik. Game 2 begins at 3:55)
TKD
Smash Lord
I meant that the opponent gets hit. DACUS vs air opponents is good if you aim to sweet-spot it. If the opponent has to air-dodge to avoid it, it's pretty safe.
Blistering Speed
Smash Champion
Lol, kinda sucks to see Sheik's metagame hasn't advanced at all from when I was a regular contributor here.
Lol, such high expectations you have for this game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6UvrevyDaA&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w-8VXuljw8&feature=channel_video_title
In match 1 ive failed hard so its not posted could win that set but failed at match 3 stock 2
have fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w-8VXuljw8&feature=channel_video_title
In match 1 ive failed hard so its not posted could win that set but failed at match 3 stock 2
have fun
sheikamaru
jive
i'm no expert at the marth mu but i can give some advice
vid 1
at 0:23 you gotta remember that marth has the option to upb out of the aaa combo. so if your gonna do that just do it for like one round then try to bait an up and punish likewise. you also had the option of grabbing him which is my choice of punishing imo
at like 0:34 sec you never wanna charge a fsmash or use fsmash in the match at all unless you are sure it's going to punish. like you coulda used that at :23 as well
i also notice you whiffing a lot of dash attacks, you wanna be more on spot w/ them at least lol another tip would be to get into that mentality of not rolling so much when marth is setting up a wall on ya. good marths are always expecting rolls from you. like i was told from another sheik main here that marths will "pump" their side b's to lower your sheild or get you to roll like around 3:05 ish and at 3:15 a solid up air would have sealed the deal but good job either way :Dmatch two.... i'd say to utilize your down throw more at early percents because they lead into easy reads. they have two options. either to dair your follow up or airdodge and di to which ever side but you can generally tell which side they are diing too. almost had him on that third one though it's just that he got some early reads on you which hurt. remember against marths, bait their up b so you can punish them. it's a guessing game you can't know for sure just something you'll have to pick up
i kept thinking you were the original light they have here lol small world
Airborne
Smash Lord
2,523,406. Surprisingly low.
Also, I was entertained from watching your matches, Light. Ya gotta gimp that f*cker more though. <3
vid 2
0:55 that jab should of lead to a second jab which could have lead to a free dsmash or prom a nair (since he was so high I'm positive that nair would have hit) which could have been a kill.
you don't have to full hop your aerials to hit through the plats if your enemy is on them sh uair and fair and bair all worl wonders and you pretty much can't be punished that isn't the case with full hopped pokes through the plats. utilt is also huge for poking through the plats. you apply presure and lower sheilds and make it easier for usmash to shield poke if they want to roll to avoid you.
Um... wished I saw more needles especially at a distance. Also would of liked to of seen more jab1-jab2 no realy reason to do it at the percents you were hitting with IMO.
Overall I'm digging it though. I loved the use of dair you used it very very well. I like your air chains bair->bair ftilt->uair->fair did really well managing your move decay.
0:55 that jab should of lead to a second jab which could have lead to a free dsmash or prom a nair (since he was so high I'm positive that nair would have hit) which could have been a kill.
you don't have to full hop your aerials to hit through the plats if your enemy is on them sh uair and fair and bair all worl wonders and you pretty much can't be punished that isn't the case with full hopped pokes through the plats. utilt is also huge for poking through the plats. you apply presure and lower sheilds and make it easier for usmash to shield poke if they want to roll to avoid you.
Um... wished I saw more needles especially at a distance. Also would of liked to of seen more jab1-jab2 no realy reason to do it at the percents you were hitting with IMO.
Overall I'm digging it though. I loved the use of dair you used it very very well. I like your air chains bair->bair ftilt->uair->fair did really well managing your move decay.
sheikamaru
jive
i know of 3 lights on the boards already lol
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
I think the only Shadow that really earned the name was Snakeee's brother XD
sheikamaru
jive
why are ya a lucaca main!! what happened to sheik? :C
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
I've always been a Lucario main, I just really like Sheik (use her to flesh out my problems in my current gameplay) and feel like I want to prove that she's underrated. She's a blast to use against D3, ZSS, Falco, and Marth, and I'm thinking of using her for once in tournament, since all she's been doing is help me win a couple of mms lol
sheikamaru
jive
nicee haha which chars were you going against? and you should post vids
haha which chars were you going against? and you should post vids
sheikamaru
jive
and by the way chok i enjoyed watching you **** that ddd :D his name was count i think
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Yeah, Count is a pretty good D3 from NorCal iirc
Yeah, I'm thinking of posting some when I get more tourney footage.
Yeah, I'm thinking of posting some when I get more tourney footage.
sheikamaru
jive
it's hard nowadays to find decent sheiks on youtube lol
its always been hard to find any sheiks on youtube.