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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
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thumbswayup
Smash Master
Almost triple kneed a Jiggs at a smashfest last weekend. It was dthrow to knee to knee to weak knee offscreen. I was pissed, but it still felt amazing lol and it was recorded to haha
bulgarian_kid
Smash Cadet
- Joined
- Jun 4, 2007
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So I saw the thread about autocanceling fair, and if I understand correctly one can also autocancel sheik's other aerials. If that is the case, is it the same timing or is it different for each? If it is different, a brief description of what you need to do to autocancel each aerial would be very much appreciated. Thank you.
soap
Smash Hero
they all auto-cancel in one way or the other. fair and nair are the only ones ive found that can be fastfalled as an approach and with a certain timing have them autocancel.
sh nair no fastfall autocancels.
sh rising bair, fastfall autocancels.
there is a ton more stuff to know about her aerials, like the timing for wavelanding after a full hop aerial, id recommend experimenting with all her aerials for an hour to get used to it.
Cia
das kwl
jiggs is a cool character. she dies at like.. 4%. from the center of FD
10thatssomeseriousrape
I've started taking on stuff that m2k likes to do and that is....
To dash dance lol. Its surprisingly good and it gets grabs =D.
Depends on what character you play but.
Spaced nairs, and fairs are pretty good for pressure. It can make people jump at you trying to get past you and ftilt grab works. Needle work can be done quite effectively on FD actually. So don't count out needles, it can be helpful counterattacking sometimes after you get hit. People seem to underestimate the needle's range during sheik's freefall. It seems to catch people off guard and depending on your height and the needle count you have when you hit them. You can get a free grab ^_^.
Standing needles aren't bad either but it really depends on the opponent.
Jiggs is gay
. I mean its hard to punish jiggs if she misses a rest, especially for falcon. I mean what can falcon possibly do? mirite Vanz?
Linguini
Smash Master
tec, ill be at no johns on saturday, you going?
if so we gotta get alot of sheik dittos in
if so we gotta get alot of sheik dittos in
Linguini - I will most likely be with my family on Saturday for pre-easter or whatever.
So probably no.
Are you gonna go to SPOC?
So probably no
.Are you gonna go to SPOC?
Linguini
Smash Master
nahh im not im leaving tri state on sunday
bulgarian_kid
Smash Cadet
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What I was referring to was landing during the attack animation to cut down the lag without l canceling:
when exactly do you have to land each aerial to autocancel it?
frame data from superdoodleman said:
when exactly do you have to land each aerial to autocancel it?
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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After the second number of the auto cancel thing. Or before, the first, I guess.
Wait what the hell? Fair autocancels frame eleven? I'm about to scream OP sauce.
Wait what the hell? Fair autocancels frame eleven? I'm about to scream OP sauce.
Cia
das kwl
so.. gay.Jiggs is gay
mirite Vanz?
i really wish you would just stay sheik so that i can Bthrow you off the level. and win the stock everytime.
:i still think falcon should be banned.
thumbswayup
Smash Master
You realize that all of the top and high tiers gay him so hard because his recovery is the most predictable thing ever
Cia
das kwl
yeah, but he can maneuver himself. it's not like he just falls in a straight line.
his recovery is nothing special, but you guys make it seem like his recovery is yoshi's egg.
and most of the time, he's on the level. Camping w/ Nair, Dairing out of sheild. Out prioritizing/ ranging sheik's aerials w/ SH Uair.
he's such a gay character and he should die.
i think the reason falcon doesn't use his gun is because it would actually hinder his already broken move pool.
his recovery is nothing special, but you guys make it seem like his recovery is yoshi's egg.
and most of the time, he's on the level. Camping w/ Nair, Dairing out of sheild. Out prioritizing/ ranging sheik's aerials w/ SH Uair.
he's such a gay character and he should die.
i think the reason falcon doesn't use his gun is because it would actually hinder his already broken move pool.
thumbswayup
Smash Master
lol just use Jiggs and bair
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Nair autocancel frame 31 looks really awesome.
SDM Frame Data
Jump
Airborne on frame 4
Air time: 50
Earliest FF hold: 23
Earliest actual FF: 26
FF air time: 37
SH air time: 38
Earliest FF hold: 17
Earliest actual FF: 20
SH FF air time: 27
Extrapolating on this, it means it's actually possible to SH Nair and FF and have the hitbox active for the entire jump duration (except for one frame) and STILL make it autocancel.
Oh Sheik. How I love you.
SDM Frame Data
Jump
Airborne on frame 4
Air time: 50
Earliest FF hold: 23
Earliest actual FF: 26
FF air time: 37
SH air time: 38
Earliest FF hold: 17
Earliest actual FF: 20
SH FF air time: 27
Extrapolating on this, it means it's actually possible to SH Nair and FF and have the hitbox active for the entire jump duration (except for one frame) and STILL make it autocancel.
Oh Sheik. How I love you.
Oh yea thats just cuz I suck though.so.. gay.
i really wish you would just stay sheik so that i can Bthrow you off the level. and win the stock everytime.
i still think falcon should be banned.
Plus your jiggs is beyond gay to play anyway
Linguini
Smash Master
stole that from you bud
Cia
das kwl
you suck so much that you pick random characters on a whim and 2 stock my Mains <_<Oh yea thats just cuz I suck though.
Plus your jiggs is beyond gay to play anyway
besides, i do that to all sheiks.
****.
soap
Smash Hero
i don't use needles nearly as much anymore cuz i am so fascinated with her aerials atm.
Tero.
Smash Champion
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techchase.
You can get a DA sometime or ftilt/fair/etc. if they DI the throw wrong.
Lawrencelot
Smash Lord
Techchase fox/falco/falcon to death, against Peach and other floaties you can follow up with sidetilt or fair, against Marth it depends: chaingrab or techchase or sh fair, against other chars it's a mix of these
soap
Smash Hero
i remember amsah dthrow dash attacking armada into **** combos.
I would'nt mind having that dash attack angle sometimes.. but i guess dthrow tipper usmash is not too bad either rofl
I would'nt mind having that dash attack angle sometimes.. but i guess dthrow tipper usmash is not too bad either rofl
uh I noticed that sheik can get a jab off on falcon before he touches the ground after the dthrow (at 0), and I forget, so are you suppose to tech chase him or can you jab him and do something to him? If so, when is the ideal time?
It's better to let him touch the ground and tech chase him in my experience.
here some super cool Sheik vids
yeah no chaingrabbing but uair combos instead, sorry =/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l18NhURO4TQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bx8N4AT8Fc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNpao1J4Xu0
yeah no chaingrabbing but uair combos instead, sorry =/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l18NhURO4TQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bx8N4AT8Fc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNpao1J4Xu0
Why is it hard, if you're cc'ing on the ground, to dash immediately away? It's impossible to dash behind you too... anyone know why this is?
In other words
Step 1: cc for a while
Step 2: dash behind
Why is this so hard to do? The reason I'm asking is for techchasing.
In other words
Step 1: cc for a while
Step 2: dash behind
Why is this so hard to do? The reason I'm asking is for techchasing.
soap
Smash Hero
jab grab doesn't technically work but i get it all the time. don't do it twice in a row. catch them off guard.
at high percents, jab dtilt fair
CanISmash
Smash Lord
ummm i need c.falc help. basically when i get grabbed i feel like im caught in between getting pseudo cg'ed or combo'ed and i dont remember but officially after 85 if you get u-thrown and you got no platforms you're dead right?
CanISmash
Smash Lord
i feel like i di away and im still getting hit with **** lol iono.
i expertise in combo vid di tho.
i expertise in combo vid di tho.
qft, that's fukken hard for some reason
Also watch Adam and Amsah*, he didn't attend a tourney for a year but still *****:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=An00bis514&view=videos
Hey guys =D I got new vids up on my youtube if anyone is interested.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Teczer0
Lotsa sheik everywhere lawl.
Canismash - at low percent I think DIing away is better for the most part because if you DI in at low percents they can just re-grab you.
Its hard to say whats better to do because regardless as long as the CF can read your DI he can act accordingly.
I would say try to mix it up.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Teczer0
Lotsa sheik everywhere lawl.
Canismash - at low percent I think DIing away is better for the most part because if you DI in at low percents they can just re-grab you.
Its hard to say whats better to do because regardless as long as the CF can read your DI he can act accordingly.
I would say try to mix it up.
soap
Smash Hero
ive noticed this too with the crouch dash away thing.
i think its cuz u have to return to neutral to dash back.
but u can dash forward. Just do a very quick pivot forward then back
i think its cuz u have to return to neutral to dash back.
but u can dash forward. Just do a very quick pivot forward then back
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Haley's Sheik is so gay.
But you know you love it Dave
Friendly thread in case anyone wants to see it *shrugs*
soap
Smash Hero
who is haley?