Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[thumbswayup]

Hey

Why are you so jealous?

Don't hate on ninjas that love animals.

I mean when I played your fox I sent him on an express way to cloud service. At least you can be nice to us thanks to my favor

I even faired waved at him wishing him a nice trip.

And with your weak bair to fair edge guard I am now in the leagues of Spamer and Eggm for spacies who got ***** by it At least I got some impressive combos on you with Falcon Kneeing Sheik might be the most satisfying thing ever

And I'm jealous because I'm a former Sheik main

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dthrowchar

LOL

 

[Teczer0]

And with your weak bair to fair edge guard I am now in the leagues of Spamer and Eggm for spacies who got ***** by it At least I got some impressive combos on you with Falcon Kneeing Sheik might be the most satisfying thing ever

And I'm jealous because I'm a former Sheik main



LOL

LOL come back to the dark light side

OMG WHERE is that post you sigged?

OMFG LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

 

[thumbswayup]

ROOOOOOOOFL YEEEEEESS Wes is the funniest ****ing poster on SWF. LMFAO I can't stop laughing whenever he posts ahhahahaa

 

[Bakasquad5]

And with your weak bair to fair edge guard I am now in the leagues of Spamer and Eggm for spacies who got ***** by it At least I got some impressive combos on you with Falcon Kneeing Sheik might be the most satisfying thing ever

And I'm jealous because I'm a former Sheik main



LOL

Yeah, thumbs loves kneeing shiek so much, he does it to his own teammates... >.<

 

[thumbswayup]

LMAO Dragon that **** was hilarious. Good thing it was just in a friendly against Jam and not in tourny LOL

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

DA is hilarious because they're such scrubs yet they can get away with it somehow. Lulz.

 

[Teczer0]

DA is hilarious because they're such scrubs yet they can get away with it somehow. Lulz.

Well Wes is hilarious .

His posts are golden

The rest of DA I kind of just ignore them.

But Wes is too good ^_^

 

[Bakasquad5]

LMAO Dragon that **** was hilarious. Good thing it was just in a friendly against Jam and not in tourny LOL

No, in tourney teams you just go into hype **** mode and knee everything, i just happen to run away better, lol. That fair to double knee we set up was still so very epic. When i get my license back in july, you better have a room ready for me lol.

edit: i miss my posts, ct thread screwd me over yet again

 

[thumbswayup]

No, in tourney teams you just go into hype **** mode and knee everything, i just happen to run away better, lol. That fair to double knee we set up was still so very epic. When i get my license back in july, you better have a room ready for me lol.

edit: i miss my posts, ct thread screwd me over yet again

Does this mean you'll be coming over here for some smash? :D I just moved into a friend's place so you can come down whenever you want to smash and you'll have a place to stay.

 

[soap]

lol, i remember DA making a website for brawl, and wes saying how garbage melee was, how u can only play four characters to win.

 

[Bakasquad5]

Does this mean you'll be coming over here for some smash? :D I just moved into a friend's place so you can come down whenever you want to smash and you'll have a place to stay.

why yes, yes it does, i don't mind traveling as long as theres

A. Food, that is key. nom's must be had
B. Smash or some other competitive fighting game
C. Place to sleep if time allows
D. *****es, if once again time allows

pound3

 

[Spife]

why yes, yes it does, i don't mind traveling as long as theres

A. Food, that is key. nom's must be had
B. Smash or some other competitive fighting game
C. Place to sleep if time allows
D. *****es, if once again time allows

pound3

Why, I have all 4 of those things. We should make plans some time cause I got GG, SSBM, and Godzilla DAMM *nods* (WHICH SHOULD BE COMPETITIVE BUT THE FAT CATS AT HEAD OFFICE SAY NO)

OT: My sheik is really aerial based, is this a problem?

 

[soap]

OT: My sheik is really aerial based, is this a problem?

pure aerial sheik fails imo. Pure ground sheik can be amazing.

I use both.

 

[thumbswayup]

lol, i remember DA making a website for brawl, and wes saying how garbage melee was, how u can only play four characters to win.

This makes all his posts in the last year even more hilarious.

 

[Spife]

pure aerial sheik fails imo. Pure ground sheik can be amazing.

I use both.

Thanks. I'll work on that

 

[soap]

let me elaborate:

in general approaching with aerials is bad cuz sheik doesnt move well horizontally in the air and it is very easy to dash dance grab her aerials on reaction. Doesn't mean i dont approach with them, but be able to notice when they will be able to space it, and sh waveland back instead.

Aerials are better used defensively with reverse short hops, cuz in this manner you got them to commit into you, and aerials give you a safe lag free way to defend.

So approaching from the ground with shield, boost grabs, dash attacks, dsmash, wavedash tilts are generally more reliable. Aerials are good for pressure mixup once you are already in and have them commited to shield. Also running right up to shields then shorthop back spaced fair is a cool trick to catch sidesteps.

(Hope this helps, I finished testing and am bored)

 

[KirbyKaze]

The rule of thumb with aerial approaches with Sheik IMO is that it's amazing under the following conditions:

1) you will hit their shield or them
2) you will not be punished for hitting their shield or them

Approaching with retreating aerials is another matter entirely, however. Retreat autocancel Fair is a very good scare tactic for controlling space and you can often scare people into running into them if you approach with them carefully. It's hard to catch Sheik for doing retreat anything if you're smart about it.

Either way, you have to have a strong mix. It's bad to define yourself as one or the other because against anyone you'll need both. You tailor your offense to their defense and vice versa. It's okay to have a preference but ideally you can flow from one to the other seamlessly. Cactuar ***** me pretty terribly game 3 of our set for me not tailoring my mostly-grounded style enough to match his waveland-heavy air game. Zhu did the same only he was more aggressive about the ordeal.

 

[soap]

Approaching with retreating aerials is another matter entirely, however.

its a trick. if u jump forward from a distance away they have time to realize you are in the air n run away.

if u run on the ground up to them they expect a grab or dash attack and will not run away and likely sidestep or jab. which u can jump over with backwards jump and smack.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I like it when people run away from me. It brings them one step closer to the edge.

edit: You are right, though, I do exaggerate how useful retreat aerials are.

 

[SPAWN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6hugarQ0qo&feature=channel_page

How do you outcamp a Falco on FD? I'm bad at it apparently.

 

[Luma]

its quite easy actually

oh no, wait, you ****ing cant, go attack him

 

[SPAWN]

Lol @ my typo. I meant Falco, haha.

Also, http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=226220

Critique my Sheik please.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Be gayer.

If that's possible I'm really not sure.

 

[Teczer0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6hugarQ0qo&feature=channel_page

How do you outcamp a Falco on FD? I'm bad at it apparently.

GOD DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM

LOL

You just stood on the other side LMAO daaaam thats dedication lol.

In any case you can't outcamp (Well through pure projectile camping anyway) falco especially on FD. His lasers are a much more effective projectile than your needles. Mainly because he can auto cancel them and have them fly across the screen unlike needles.

There are a lot of things you can do. Falcos will DEFINITELY not approach you especially when you are the edge of the stage. Unless they just don't care or they are .. well bad lol.

You can throw some needles and all, but try to throw more than one needle at a time. Then at least you can have one needle clash with a laser and the other needle hits falco. Otherwise in a situation like that you are gonna get laser camped hard.

Also if you are getting laser camped like that start crouching. Its VERY easy to PS lasers that go above your head while you crouch. All you have to do is hit L once the lasers go above you. You can close the distance by WDing in and out or whatever.

 

[SPAWN]

It was a lulz match to see who was better at camping, he won lol.

Also, I tried to charge needles as you could probably see in my vid, but the lasers would hit me while I charged them and then I'd drop them. Looks like I'll just have to not try and outcamp Falco like all my other matches xD.

People go to my thread and watch my matches. They aren't anything like what that match is lol.

 

[Cia]

spawn - i'll show you how to out camp falco

it's so fun when they come to the realization that their lasers aren't enough.

my methods do not work on FoD v. Falco. eff that stage.

 

[SPAWN]

Yeah, I feel confident about outcamping him on non FD. Platforms are ****.

 

[R3N0]

spawn that 2nd match made me like cry a river. u dont have to out camp falco to win. and if u do, shino stall (AKA PLANKING) is > standing still.

Also you can charge needles on the edge. (press release edge and charge for 2 clicks, needle cancel, jump up b sweet spot(no poof)
btw u DROP under the edge. don't do release ledge immediate jump (b/c u will get reemed by lasers and or dair) needle charge into frantic up-b (where u can get ledge taken over)

thats how i beat eggm camping me.. (eggm camping > mogwai camping)

 

[SPAWN]

I was just seeing if I could outcamp him lol.

Thanks for that tidbit of advice though. Next time I want to outcamp him I'll know how to do it. :D

 

[MarsFool!]

I have discovered sheik. Space animals are the most fun things to gimp....EVER.

 

[Teczer0]

I have discovered sheik. Space animals are the most fun things to gimp....EVER.

=D

QFA

Because nothing seems to be happening here, recently I've been obsessive about Sheik's nair. Like.. its becoming a problem how much I love that move

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I have discovered sheik. Space animals are the most fun things to gimp....EVER.

It's about ****ing time.

Smooth Criminal

 

[SPAWN]

Tec0, it's happening to me too. I don't know why but in tournament vs Hazzard, all I did was nair oos randomly. It worked the first match, then he started catching on.

 

[Spife]

Tec0, it's happening to me too. I don't know why but in tournament vs Hazzard, all I did was nair oos randomly. It worked the first match, then he started catching on.

I haven't played hazz in tourny in a while, but when ever I nair oos i got *****. ****ing low tierrrrrr

I'tsl ike 3:45 in the morning and i'm still procastinating Help me sheik boards

 

[KirbyKaze]

Tec0, it's happening to me too. I don't know why but in tournament vs Hazzard, all I did was nair oos randomly. It worked the first match, then he started catching on.

You should have added FJ Fairs too you silly noob.

Spife, do your Nair faster and space it better and be perfect. Then you'll win sometimes but still lose often.

 

[Teczer0]

You should have added FJ Fairs too you silly noob.

Spife, do your Nair faster and space it better and be perfect. Then you'll win sometimes but still lose often.

Yea =D.

I love OOS fairs onto platforms.

^_^

 

[SPAWN]

You right, KK, you right.

I love fairing right over people's shields and then them getting caught by it and being surprised and you also get a grab out of the deal. :D


I wish my first match vs Hazzard was recorded. I played ****ing perfectly. It was on FD, I was down 3 stocks and had 30 damage on me. Hooray for absolutely perfect techchasing based on pure reaction and adrenaline. I somehow managed to win that one... but lost the set. T_T That guy is too smrt(lulz).

 

[KirbyKaze]

I was down 3-1 vs Vwins and somehow won. And then somehow pulled another win out my ayuss again being down 2-1.

Also, I agree Spawn. Perfect tech chases are awesome.

 

[SPAWN]

Definitely the greatest feeling in the world. Especially getting perfect tech chases multiple stocks in a row. Too bad this rarely ever happens. :-/


CC'ing when fox doesn't tech is way too good. Cover's all options... until 99% where you can't cc everything.

 

[KirbyKaze]

At like 50+ I just dash away from him and then react. If he techs to me I can dash away again and then go back with dash attack or just let him roll towards my loving arms and grab him. If he techs in place or non-techs I can dash attack. If he techs away, I can dash attack.