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Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA
- Thread starter KirbyKaze
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7IfEojSGAs
Don't feel like this is a good example of how good I am.. But finally able to force Strong Bad to not play DK against me. Only 2-stocked his DK. Still, that is an achievement for me. :D
I really have problems with Fox and Falco. I can fairly easily beat Falcons, Peaches, Puffs, Marths and etc. on my skill level. I lol'd when I watched my Sheik against his Fox. I played so goofy. I am usually better about tech chasing with grabs and edgeguarding. There were so many times he should have been dead. Then I just played pretty badly in the end.
After that nonsense, Strong Bad flipped a coin for Sheik or Fox against me on the last match. I don't really like Sheik dittos but also have close to no actual experience in them. They seem kinda gay. So, I went Fox. Though I don't have experience playing Sheiks with Fox either, I figured I at least have experience playing against Fox with Sheik. OMG, after watching the rest of the video, my Fox is pretty funny. xD
Would appreciate any feedback. Also, I didn't have my good controller so turnaround needles were difficult. You can easily tell when I throw needles at nothing that I was trying to turnaround needle.
Don't feel like this is a good example of how good I am.. But finally able to force Strong Bad to not play DK against me. Only 2-stocked his DK. Still, that is an achievement for me. :D
I really have problems with Fox and Falco. I can fairly easily beat Falcons, Peaches, Puffs, Marths and etc. on my skill level. I lol'd when I watched my Sheik against his Fox. I played so goofy. I am usually better about tech chasing with grabs and edgeguarding. There were so many times he should have been dead. Then I just played pretty badly in the end.
After that nonsense, Strong Bad flipped a coin for Sheik or Fox against me on the last match. I don't really like Sheik dittos but also have close to no actual experience in them. They seem kinda gay. So, I went Fox. Though I don't have experience playing Sheiks with Fox either, I figured I at least have experience playing against Fox with Sheik. OMG, after watching the rest of the video, my Fox is pretty funny. xD
Would appreciate any feedback. Also, I didn't have my good controller so turnaround needles were difficult. You can easily tell when I throw needles at nothing that I was trying to turnaround needle.
silentSWAG
Smash Lord
all i ever play in tourny is foxes and sheiks.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
I never fight in tournament ics(thank god),sheiks,or docs. I always fight fox falco marth peach and puff cuz people like to tier ***** haha.
Wtf ***** is a censored word? If you cant guess its a woman who likes to sleep around. Starts with w.
Wtf ***** is a censored word? If you cant guess its a woman who likes to sleep around. Starts with w.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
sheik nair doesn't beat fox nair, it only "beats" it if sheik and fox both SH nair because sheik is above fox (same with falco) since she jumps higher. Fox's nair hitbox is better than sheik's nair hitbox easily, it's just who's coming from above who. Straight on horizontal it will trade or lose.
Kaffei
Smash Hero
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ooo
thank u m2k
Mew2King
King of the Mews
I mean like this won't always apply sometimes u can get lucky I think but generally I wouldn't try to beat it
moves that straight on BEAT fox's nair are sheik's tilts, down smash, fair, and bair. Uair usually beats it too if you come from under but it usually trades with dair i think? but falco's dair ***** sheik's uair -____- so you can't Uair falco -.-. What I mean when I say that they BEAT fox's nair is if you know Fox will nair, you can use these superior-extended-hitbox-moves and beat it without trading (trade at worst if your spacing is bad).
moves that straight on BEAT fox's nair are sheik's tilts, down smash, fair, and bair. Uair usually beats it too if you come from under but it usually trades with dair i think? but falco's dair ***** sheik's uair -____- so you can't Uair falco -.-. What I mean when I say that they BEAT fox's nair is if you know Fox will nair, you can use these superior-extended-hitbox-moves and beat it without trading (trade at worst if your spacing is bad).
Kaffei
Smash Hero
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o ok so i shud space like fair and bair and stuff at low %? and try to grab or something
btw how do i do sheik ditto
they spam ftilt and idk wat do
cc dsmash? cc grab? what if i accidentally dont cc
T___T
Mew2King
King of the Mews
idk i dont have a sheik ditto strat tbh. I just fight.
u can fair f tilt or fair grab or w/e you think is good for the situation
fox you just... outrange him i guess, his range sucks. I think falco's way harder to fight. Fox is easy you LITERALLY just outrange him, then try to figure out ways to combo or edge guard him to death after u get a grab or hit off
u can fair f tilt or fair grab or w/e you think is good for the situation
fox you just... outrange him i guess, his range sucks. I think falco's way harder to fight. Fox is easy you LITERALLY just outrange him, then try to figure out ways to combo or edge guard him to death after u get a grab or hit off
Kaffei
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that makes a lot of sense actually. thx! =D
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the coin flipping
it's too good
& yeah I have to go Sheik or Fox against you springfielders now, it's kind of depressing. will still be repping DK at nationals tho
stelzig
Smash Lord
Is jumping out of combos ever faster or better than Nairing out? After being told I can jump out of docs chaingrab at 30-40 percent with no DI I realised I might not be using/thinking about that option enough with sheik.
Now that I think about it, it obviously is better in all the situations where Nair won't hit or trade... And I think I use that too... Just tell me if it's faster then, I guess
Now that I think about it, it obviously is better in all the situations where Nair won't hit or trade... And I think I use that too... Just tell me if it's faster then, I guess
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
that doc is full of crap but yeah dj activates in 1 frame, nair takes 3
silentSWAG
Smash Lord
i thought tradeing with falcos dair was good with sheiks uair cause it keeps them in the air
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Doc is so free for sheik its not even funny. Especially on FD
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
up tilt is better
SonuvaBeach
Smash Lord
I also cannot get consistent regrab's at 0 on shady's marth. I continue to try because you guys say it is guaranteed (and marth sucks), but I swear he can jump out since he does every other time. Should I start u-tilting at 0 instead on no di/di in?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Yeah. I usually do the up tilt anyway.
joejoe22802
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How do i play against samus? Just got ***** for days.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
space fair & bair
needles > grab combo
d-throw up air after like 25% on every DI
shield > wd oos ***** her
she doesn't cover the zone in front of & above her that well because your fair > her f-tilt and her up tilt is slow
needles > grab combo
d-throw up air after like 25% on every DI
shield > wd oos ***** her
she doesn't cover the zone in front of & above her that well because your fair > her f-tilt and her up tilt is slow
joejoe22802
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Can you just pressure a lot or should you be more selective with when to attack?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Pressuring is fine but be prepared to shield after attacks to block the cc d-smashes.
CK Momentum
Smash Apprentice
what stages are typically played in sheik vs. peach? We are thinking htat you will mostly strike to Battlefield or Fountain, and then Counterpicks go like this. For peach, dreamland, FD. For sheik, pokemon or yoshis. Is this roughly correct?
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As a Peach versus Sheik, I think FD is a good stage I'd want. DL64 is okay, imo. FoD is the obvious Peach choice, so don't let her take you there. PS and YS are probably your best bets, and FD is in your favor compared to FoD.
CK Momentum
Smash Apprentice
What makes FoD such a big advantage for peach?
Kaffei
Smash Hero
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platforms + dsmash i guess
I don't think its an advantage for her really.
Sorta even, they both have their advantages imo.
The small stage helps peach, but the platforms help sheik a lot if you play well.
john!
Smash Hero
that's like asking "what's the worst way to win the lottery?"
Probably PS or Dreamland.
Basically the larger the stage is horizontally, the harder it is for sheik.
Fernandez
Smash Journeyman
Is not tippered late bair safe on shield? I got grabbed out of it before i could uptilt, but maybe im just doing it too slow, i just started playing sheik
Also tomahawk uptilt seems really good
Also tomahawk uptilt seems really good
I don't think it is. Depends how far you do it I suppose.
small stages just bug me vs good peaches. I can't see why you'd pick Fountain over yoshi's in ntsc though.
People in general tend to really be unfamiliar with it at least from what I see. A lot of people tend to avoid it during friendlies for whatever reason.
I'd pick FoD potentially over YS. But thats because I hate YS, and I really like that the platforms easily induces decent-good peaches and MacD to dsmash on them thinking I'll just jump into it.
Then ftilt fair =3
I'd pick FoD potentially over YS. But thats because I hate YS, and I really like that the platforms easily induces decent-good peaches and MacD to dsmash on them thinking I'll just jump into it.
Then ftilt fair =3
Cia
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D***.The. Callout.