Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[Fortress | Sveet]

Well utilt allows you to maintain control if you wiff, usmash is risky

 

[gm jack]

The combo options you get will also vary depending on percent/falling speed etc. Usmash might start hitting them too far away for you too follow up when utilt still pops them up nicely.

Utilt's double hit and really low end lag makes it really good for poking at the bottom of people's shields on low platforms as well.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Up smash is better when up tilt won't knock them over. Or if it will kill them. Otherwise up tilt and up air are better.

 

[Jolteon]

you jab grounded falco a lot, the risk/reward for that sucks.

 

[hectohertz]

what are the percent ranges that sheik can CG the characters she can chaingrab?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Forever to forever + 10

 

[BSeeD]

Hmmmmmmmm

*Dreams of NTSC Melee*

...........

 

[ShroudedOne]

Trust me...most of us over here would take PAL Sheik in a heartbeat...

 

[Strong Badam]

Everyone that doesn't use Sheik would.

 

[hectohertz]

Forever to forever + 10

oh yeah? wow.... didn't realize how good her CG was

 

[KirbyKaze]

For DI away (which is the best for getting out) assuming full power grab

Works at 0 on Link, Sheik, Pikachu, Bowser to my knowledge

At like 10 or something on YLink

At like 18 on Ganon

I dunno anyone else or how long they go

 

[hectohertz]

thanks KK

<3 <3 <3

 

[Fly_Amanita]

I was under the impression that Link could get out at really low percentages with DI away.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I've been able to regrab him for DI away but I'm also not sure how port priority and all this affects it. I'm always a lower port.

edit: port priority does affect some CGs.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I was under the impression sheik couldnt be regrabbed on away DI until at least like 15%

 

[Strong Badam]

port priority affects all ground launcher CGs like Doc, Sheik, and Ganon dthrows.
i always forget which port order does what tho. search magus sheik port throw

 

[joejoe22802]

So jw what sheik videos have you guys watched that really taught you something.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I was under the impression sheik couldnt be regrabbed on away DI until at least like 15%

Then you're wrong lol

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

for real? then why do people talk about jab and ftilt mixup at 0%? I thought u had to do that because the regrab isnt possible til slightly later

 

[KirbyKaze]

for real? then why do people talk about jab and ftilt mixup at 0%? I thought u had to do that because the regrab isnt possible til slightly later

> implying people learn strict timings to do more optimal punishes

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Wow ur right, i just tested in AR. I never knew that.

 

[Kaffei]

?
I dun get what you guys are talkin about
So Sheik can CG Sheik from 0% right

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Yeah. Its hard and you have to dash grab

 

[Kaffei]

Got it. thanks =D

 

[BSeeD]

Trust me...most of us over here would take PAL Sheik in a heartbeat...

And why is that ?
Ur not a Sheik mainer I suppose then ?

 

[KirbyKaze]

I think as far as Sheiks that can actually do the CG at zero it's like me and M2K.

 

[Luma]

get ice a copy of ntsc and he will cg at -% =P

 

[Zoler]

Everyone that doesn't use Sheik would.

Every logical person would take pal over ntsc except some dumb fox and sheik mains

 

[Strong Badam]

I think as far as Sheiks that can actually do the CG at zero it's like me and M2K.

I can also do this but it's irrelevant.

Ganon's dthrow CG is the only one in the game I can't do at least semi-consistently lol

 

[BSeeD]

Every logical person would take pal over ntsc except some dumb fox and sheik mains

Let alone the fact Ganondorf looses his fair...

 

[Strong Badam]

He's still either comparable or better in PAL because of Sheik, Marth and Fox being worse.

 

[BSeeD]

Why is every american player always sayin that about every character in PAL ?
I mean, Ganon is a lot more useless without this fair, and the fact top tiers are nerfed doesn't change that.
The whole Ganon metagame is changed 'cause of that. (u have to Bair way more, so positionning changes a lot for instance)

 

[Strong Badam]

Because it's true. I've played with PAL Ganon before. When he doesn't get an outright kill from his Fair due to the nerf, he can still edgeguard. & Fair still has really good hitboxes.

 

[Beat!]

Why is every american player always sayin that about every character in PAL ?
I mean, Ganon is a lot more useless without this fair, and the fact top tiers are nerfed doesn't change that.
The whole Ganon metagame is changed 'cause of that. (u have to Bair way more, so positionning changes a lot for instance)

??????????

Ganon is definitely better in PAL by a pretty big margin, thanks to the top tier nerfs. The nerfed fair is a drawback, but it certainly doesn't make him "useless".

 

[BSeeD]

I'm starting to realize that a lot of the things I thought were true in melee are not.
Maybe that's the reason I suck. -_-

 

[Strong Badam]

I used to be wrong a lot too. Don't get too down about it lol

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm starting to realize that a lot of the things I thought were true in melee are not.
Maybe that's the reason I suck. -_-

Don't let people like me discourage you from asking questions. But do try to think more objectively.

Is having to wait to 3% to knock someone over with Fair (instead of zero) really as bad as Sheik being able to death-touch you when she lands just about anything? His Fair is still functionally the same in every respect except that it kills later. As a spacing & zoning tool (which is its primary purpose anyway) it's still the same move.

Be critical, come to your own conclusions. You'll find if you can think for yourself and figure out this sort of stuff then you'll be better at analysis, which makes improvement much easier IMHO.

 

[donny!]

If i had to pick a secondary character if i main sheik, who should it be?

Note: i love all the other characters equally,but who should i pick up that would be great with sheik, Like a character that could counter characters that counters sheik.

 

[Teczer0]

Fox or Falco

 

[KirbyKaze]

Peach, Fox, or Falco.

One of the three.