Q&A Sheik Strategy & QnA

[KirbyKaze]

lol yeah. but sometimes it works well against falcons if you space from far away and then they think they're faster than they really are. and fox. . . i have mixed results with that. but marth is really gay from below.

btw, what is the deal with uthrow from marths? how to di at which % and are the utilts guaranteed? i rarely get hit by it but idk if it's just them being slow or if it's just not possible

Fox it's okay if they don't see it coming or they don't cc --> **** on it. Every good Fox does the latter.

Falcon is weird because Falcons tend to be stupid but I think being above him, without defensive options or priority, is generally a bad place to be. Even if it's cute, Sheik wins the matchup because of ultimate safety and defense. Why you'd want to compromise those strengths baffles me. Mixed results or not, I'd feel much better grounded or low to the ground.

 

[Teczer0]

Dave - I could have sworn I recall you saying you liked using FH nairs at one point in time

Vs Falcon I mean......

 

[KirbyKaze]

Then I played Scar.

Everything suddenly changed.

 

[nicaboy]

Lol marth killer. Its rather funny to perform as he drops to his death.

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

so whats a good way to challenge sloppy aerials? i usually try to predict the where they will fall and try to slap

 

[pockyD]

what makes it sloppy?

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

its sloppy because its too far away to be effective. as in "this attack is too far to do anything but close enough that i can punish it"

 

[pockyD]

then ftilt i say

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

so wavedash/ runcc ftilt to punish?

 

[DJRome]

can someone upload a ledgedash to ftilt video done perfectly? i have trouble believing that it can be done and have invin. at the tip of the ftilt. i know it's possible from what magus says, but i tried for like 2 hours and never got it to show flashing during it in all speeds of training mode

 

[soap]

u start the ftilt asap while ur still sliding slightly

i don't have my cube anymore otherwise id record it real quick

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

no more cube? u retired soap?

 

[soap]

retired? no lol

just having a cube in my house is very distracting during the school year cuz i can, and have, literally sat there for hours by myself practicing random stuff cuz its so fun for me

i still play once a week at someone elses place

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Yea i know it can be done, and i have the same prob as soap

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

so what do you guys think of using back air as a forward ( facing) attack? im kind of playing around with it and it seems to work interestingly for edgeguards and combos

 

[Teczer0]

so what do you guys think of using back air as a forward ( facing) attack? im kind of playing around with it and it seems to work interestingly for edgeguards and combos

I could have sworn I heard of someone using this..........

I think its not bad btw, its fairly useful when you're hitting a firefox really close to the stage. And you're trying not to let them tech into the wall.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

so what do you guys think of using back air as a forward ( facing) attack? im kind of playing around with it and it seems to work interestingly for edgeguards and combos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfK_RbUhtYc#t=30s

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

um yes please. thats what im working on... but im also seeing what i can do with it on stage too

 

[KirbyKaze]

just having a cube in my house is very distracting during the school year cuz i can, and have, literally sat there for hours by myself practicing random stuff cuz its so fun for me

OMG

I hate this >__>

I kept cging and trying to wd --> pc hog last night

despite having a smashfest today at noon

and having to do banking today

and pick one of the people coming over up on the transit line

>___>




soap help me i'm still dumb irl

 

[nicaboy]

lol having a cube is distracting wtf? All hail the migty gamcube. And practicing tech skill is pretty fun. Multi shines waveshines shine to b airs all that. Sheik is just me serious chracter

 

[soap]

I kept cging and trying to wd --> pc hog last night

that sounds cool, wish i could try it out

only way to get it off your mind is to leave the gamecube at your parents house and practice random tech on the holidays when u have nothing else to do but eat

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

you could use the gamecube as a mace in a medieval battle. true story

 

[Teczer0]

I kept cging and trying to wd --> pc hog last night

I actually do this a lot with Fox =D.

Its a little harder with sheik since you need to be really precise with the turn around >______>

 

[The Irish Mafia]

So I decided I want to play this character. I've got a strange attraction to sheik, it just feels like the proper way to express my playstyle. Also, I have Chad, the pika, in my p4 pool, and I hear the matchup's good. any tips on it?

 

[Teczer0]

CG him.

And CC everything into grab.

Don't try to CC his upair and don't depend on needle grab tricks. Pika's pretty fast and small.

When I think of more i"ll tell you lawl

 

[Lordydennek]

Ok my friend Seig and I keep going back and forth on whos main is better. His peach is now beating my sheik quite a bit. I think i need some more out of grab options. Im starting to see why Amsah says peach>sheik.

also-im attending a tounry in St. Louis on the 31st. anyone here goin?

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

So I decided I want to play this character. I've got a strange attraction to sheik, it just feels like the proper way to express my playstyle. Also, I have Chad, the pika, in my p4 pool, and I hear the matchup's good. any tips on it?

quick heads up chad ***** sheiks. iirc he plays them frequently and knows all the dirty combos

also lordy make sure you dont confuse player ability with character ability

 

[Megachuk]

I'm giving sheik a shot at replacing my main. My win/loss ratio is only slightly worse than my samus because of 2 reasons.

1: I don't know what works as well against certain characters.

Example: what to do against fox/falco at low percent. I grab, and that's fun and all. But they're so ****in quick that they can punish even after getting hit by a downsmash. And especially if I miss a grab. What's the best option for low %s. Any thing else I do besides grab they CC to gay ****, or camp.

2: Stage selection

Where do I take Fox/Falco/and Falcon for CP. On big stages they can camp and be gay, on small stages they can combo and be gay. And kill me at early %'s. I think I need janky stages or something, but IDK which is best.

Help me out pretty please.

 

[xbombr]

1. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=255992

2. I'd take Fox to Kongo 64 for the hella high ceiling. Falco, I like FD since he can't use the platforms to help him combo. Learning to powershield lasers will help you get through his camping. The ducking powershield method is pretty good too if you're not consistent and he's camping really hard.

I like Dreamland for Falcon, but it's my favorite stage in general, so idk how good of a CP it really is for him. The blast zones are definitely favorable though since knees won't be killing you at like 40%. I don't find giving him room to run around is as scary as bad blast zones, especially on a stage with platforms.

 

[gm jack]

Dreamland is one of Falcon's best stages. Would avoid it unless you are really sure about it.

 

[xbombr]

Yeah Dreamland is just my personal preference since I'm most comfortable there.

Yoshi's would be best for limiting his movement, but you also have to deal with dying at low %'s. Battlefield would be good for making his already bad recovery even worse without affecting your recovery much, it doesn't have bad blast zones, and it's not like FD or Dreamland large. Floats could work too if you stayed away from the sides once you reach mid%.

Don't go to FD or Brinstar for sure.

 

[Lordydennek]

DO NOT TAKE FALCO TO FD. that is a mistake. if he's any good at all youll be laser locked and pillared b4 you know it. Falcos best stage is FD. TAKE THE SPACIES TO BRINSTAR!

 

[Megachuk]

Thanks for your input guys. But I'd really like to hear what tec0 or another pro thinks.

 

[soap]

Thanks for your input guys. But I'd really like to hear what tec0 or another pro thinks.

we are all pros here on the sheik boards

 

[Megachuk]

o i c

nevermind then, since i posted in here i'm now pro. When do I get to see u again soap it's been so long

 

[soap]

o i c

nevermind then, since i posted in here i'm now pro. When do I get to see u again soap it's been so long

pound?

 

[Megachuk]

i wish, i got no moneys. have a tournament in columbus or somethin so i can afford it.

 

[soap]

i wish, i got no moneys. have a tournament in columbus or somethin so i can afford it.

i couldn't afford entry either lol. im still goin to hang out. its jus a lil gas money + spectator fee

i got space if u can get to columbus friday night

 

[h!tboxexplo!ter]

So a question on recovery. When im hit very far off the stage I usually burn my jump to help cancel the momentum and set my fall at a more favorable angle. I know some characters hold onto their jump (like marth), is sheik supposed to do the same?

heres another one... what do you guys think about tech chasing falco at low percents with uthrows. It seemed to be working unusually well (the tech comes later and i think its easier to chase). was his DI just bad or something?

 

[Teczer0]

I'm giving sheik a shot at replacing my main. My win/loss ratio is only slightly worse than my samus because of 2 reasons.

1: I don't know what works as well against certain characters.

Example: what to do against fox/falco at low percent. I grab, and that's fun and all. But they're so ****in quick that they can punish even after getting hit by a downsmash. And especially if I miss a grab. What's the best option for low %s. Any thing else I do besides grab they CC to gay ****, or camp.

2: Stage selection

Where do I take Fox/Falco/and Falcon for CP. On big stages they can camp and be gay, on small stages they can combo and be gay. And kill me at early %'s. I think I need janky stages or something, but IDK which is best.

Help me out pretty please.

1) If by this you mean what to do against spacies basically, you want to do stuff that gets you a grab. Then if they're at low percent keep tech chasing till around 50%. Then go for dash attacks/dsmash to knock them off the edge.

2) For Fox/Falco its widely stage preference. They generally tend to have an advantage on you no matter what stage you choose. I personally pick battlefield because I love the stage and also the edges allow you to shove spacies under the stage which is nice. I wouldn't take either to Stadium at all.

I also avoid taking Fox to Yoshi's Story and Falco to FD. Its not a death stage but they tend to do very well there.

For falcon small stages help you out, so vs Falcon pick Yoshi's Story or FoD. Or a stage you're comfortable on of course.

So a question on recovery. When im hit very far off the stage I usually burn my jump to help cancel the momentum and set my fall at a more favorable angle. I know some characters hold onto their jump (like marth), is sheik supposed to do the same?

heres another one... what do you guys think about tech chasing falco at low percents with uthrows. It seemed to be working unusually well (the tech comes later and i think its easier to chase). was his DI just bad or something?

Lately if this happens to me I've been turning into Zelda then using my jump, then transforming again. It seems to help, it could just be me though *shrugs*

Tech chasing with upthrow is okay, try to use it for platform chases. I think pretty early falco/fox can both jump out of the upthrow before they hit the ground.