The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
didn't think you were, i was legitimately just wondering how y'all hold back from blowing your flaming bird-shaped load all over his little furry face.
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Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]
- Thread starter Scar
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Mr Postman
Smash Journeyman
It's the most effective unless they firefox real close.
Also, Bair is super easy to edge guard them with.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
Johnny take notes.
Nocturnalist
Smash Ace
as soon as i get i car im coming down there so ill hit you up. we should get a falcon gathering going.
Walt
Smash Ace
right on. my house in concord is pretty big and we could have multiple TVs set up if needed. last time people were here we had bob$, darrel, JB, and miguel but I have room for like, a 16 man tourney just my landlady might be a little mad.
also if I get a car before you I will def be going up there.
also if I get a car before you I will def be going up there.
Juggleguy
Smash Grimer
Definitely not viable, lol. A whiff gives Fox center stage back, which just sucks sooooo much.
Walt
Smash Ace
I think it's viable. If fox is ever off the edge by a distance of about falcons side-b (distance may or may not be accurate I'm not sure how to explain how far it is) and below the edge by his double jump height (meaning if he DJ'd he would be level with the ledge) you can go flying out and knee him on reaction to the DJ during firefox/illusion start up. if he waits and DJ>up-b then you have time to up-b back and bair/stomp/roll edgeguard. if fox up-bs right away without DJing then he might challenge you back to the stage but usually it's safe.
I can't totally explain where on the stage this works but I have a good feeling of where it is. doesn't work as well against falco because his double jump is higher so he has more leeway of when to do it.
I can't totally explain where on the stage this works but I have a good feeling of where it is. doesn't work as well against falco because his double jump is higher so he has more leeway of when to do it.
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Going off stage with a knee is very viable. In many scenarios it covers all options with either strong knee or (more likely) hitting with the weak hit, recovering and then edgehog/knee/bair/dair from ledge with invincibility. In any case, fox should die. The knee covers shine stalls and all jump timings (including sideb and upb location mixups). In some cases fox might be able to fastfall and firefox without a jump and get a burn hitbox out in time, but i've never seen someone do it.
The real question becomes the setup. I'm a little rusty on the match-up, but some common setups are gentlemen near the edge and bair. Depending on DI this could start as low as 40 or 50%. Basically fox can't be able to grab the edge with his jump and falcon must be in relatively low lag so that he has time to dash and knee.
The real question becomes the setup. I'm a little rusty on the match-up, but some common setups are gentlemen near the edge and bair. Depending on DI this could start as low as 40 or 50%. Basically fox can't be able to grab the edge with his jump and falcon must be in relatively low lag so that he has time to dash and knee.
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went for a tourney for the first time since michigan big house
pretty freakin rusty lool picked up so many bad things
gunna prepare for apex though
pretty freakin rusty lool picked up so many bad things
gunna prepare for apex though
Nakamaru
Smash Master
Knee off stage is the epitome of high risk/high reward in terms of viable options for falcon (IMO).
Most of the time if you hit, even at low %s, gets you a stock. Missing on the other hand means you often lose a stock because of falcon's joke of a recovery.
Being up a stock is worth it, but too risky unless you know they are going to get hit.
On a similar note. F-throw at the ledge into DD>SH nair off stage ***** falcos. Thoughts?
Most of the time if you hit, even at low %s, gets you a stock. Missing on the other hand means you often lose a stock because of falcon's joke of a recovery.
Being up a stock is worth it, but too risky unless you know they are going to get hit.
On a similar note. F-throw at the ledge into DD>SH nair off stage ***** falcos. Thoughts?
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if I go for the double jump off stage knee and whiff beause they went low I immediately fast fall so the weak knee still hits them
then i usually try to up-b towards them and get hit
also, i think if they are off stage and you want to hit them, full hop n-air is the best because if its good range and ability to fast fall if they go low, still hitting them and you are able to up-b back if you do it right
thats assuming you hit them high though like with strong knee and they DI well and it has usually be spacies
then i usually try to up-b towards them and get hit
also, i think if they are off stage and you want to hit them, full hop n-air is the best because if its good range and ability to fast fall if they go low, still hitting them and you are able to up-b back if you do it right
thats assuming you hit them high though like with strong knee and they DI well and it has usually be spacies
Nocturnalist
Smash Ace
...............that doggy gif is too cute...
Divinokage
Smash Legend
. . . WHOAAWHAAAAWTFOMGSOGETRAPeDGUUUUDBBQ!!!
. . . after seeing the last 5 seconds . . . im a fan =D
Woulda been great had he not jumped after getting knocked off for the 4th time, you knew this, and just went fuken deep on his ***. . .but the taunt knee was just about as good
Didnt you win?
nawt bad. . . =D
I'd love to see an example of a sh nair off stage. . . seems like it wouldnt cover nearly as much as a knee, or a safer bair would.
I like going for the stretched out knee way more when/if you get a stock lead and find yourself around dying %s while your opponent spacie is about at 30-40%
at those %s I like going alil higher than average, being able to gimp the high upb and towardb options and make it back, and if he goes under you for a lower ss upb, you dj dair for the good trade. unless you feel like youre a lot better than the other player, in which case you should almost never jump far off the edge.
and in regular scenarios, it will still cover a good amount of options (like someone said earlier). . .
but yeah, you must be pretty sure the spacie isnt expecting it
Winston
Smash Master
Just use it sparingly and it'll get you free stocks. Observe what they normally do when recovering and make sure that what they normally do isn't going to counter it (most likely it isn't because jumping out with knee covers like 3/4 of the regular recovery options). Then just mix it in sometimes.
They'd have to be psychic to guess when you're going to do it if you let them get away with their regular recovery a couple times.
They'd have to be psychic to guess when you're going to do it if you let them get away with their regular recovery a couple times.
The Irish Mafia
Banned via Administration
whenever i feel any kind of advantage onstage or off i generally knee at them as fast as possible
anyone who does not do so doesn't understand how to play this character
anyone who does not do so doesn't understand how to play this character
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
Falcon boards are faggy now.
Windrose
Smash Lord
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I have been feeling this too. Falcon can extends so far off stage and still make it back. He is pretty good off stage when he wants to.
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
how quick should i be able to get the nair to come out? who should i be able to hit the first hit of the nair with on the way up?
SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT OIL SPILL, EH?
SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT OIL SPILL, EH?
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
lol oil spill.
Citizen Snips
Smash Journeyman
How do I tell which way nipple spike will send (Besides down, for the smartasses out there)? It seems like it has a specific angle that it generally sends, but every time I think I have it figured out it changes it up.
Ever since my whole family drowned, stomp -> nipple spike at the edge is my favorite thing to do.
Ever since my whole family drowned, stomp -> nipple spike at the edge is my favorite thing to do.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
It doesn't send down.
I r a smertass.
I r a smertass.
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the nipples in the front send them down and slightly diagonally
if you do a reverse nipple stomp it'll go backwards
MeatIsMURDER
Smash Ace
the first hit of a fast shffl nair will miss fox. this is, afaik, the only circumstance you should be aware of
note that if fox is jumping himself, your nair will actually clip him and beat a nair/dair startup. why? because your nair goes further, usually it's spaced so that falcon is aerial before fox, so even though fox has fast startups and a 3frame short hop your hitbox will pre-empt him and snag his hurtbox
the oil spill is a tragedy, I wish people would stop looking at a single oil spill and look at the total damage done by oil spills per year. It's despicable, we are killing the planet, and we will eventually kill ourselves continuing down this "humans vs. brutal mother nature" path where we think we are above the laws of life
read a book *****
edit-read2books
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welcome to falcon boards as of '10. I also LOVE that your post followed brookman's post. Coincidence? nah, I don't believe in those anymore
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Murder, one thing I've learned is that it's pointless to talk about certain life things on Smashboards.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
The hell are you talkin bout son? You can't welcome Etwist to the falcon boards lol I've been here too long.
Butttt the boards were still cool in '10, it got faggy when everybody started to just talk about Falcon rather than talk about Falcon and random ****. It's all good though.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
I know who meatismurder is.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
His name is cool.
Even though I love bacon.
Sorry Meatmurderman.
Even though I love bacon.
Sorry Meatmurderman.
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I think i do as well. Didn't expect to see him on smashboards againI know who meatismurder is.
Citizen Snips
Smash Journeyman
I had a dream about Meatman.
I think I'm gonna stop eating meat, man.
I think I'm gonna stop eating meat, man.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I hope it's not that dude that raged against me in pools at MIST. lol.
DuckPimp
Smash Ace
citizen, much respect
people should nominate me for best avatar in the forum awards......... eh?
ok something relevant:
what are some movement mindgames that can be used to get grabs? i feel like im having trouble in my neutral game, i try to do things and either mess up spacing or its too complex to work.
people should nominate me for best avatar in the forum awards......... eh?
ok something relevant:
what are some movement mindgames that can be used to get grabs? i feel like im having trouble in my neutral game, i try to do things and either mess up spacing or its too complex to work.
Fuss
Smash Apprentice
What's goin' on in here
Jeapie
Smash Journeyman
The following has nothing to do with anything discust here.
Watch and laugh. Old footage =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFxPk1QKRns
Watch and laugh. Old footage =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFxPk1QKRns
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Wait, what? howtf did Falco dair!? ... lol
Anand
Smash Journeyman
So, in Falco's side-B, the hitbox trails Falco's hurtbox (that's why it is so easy to intercept and why if Marth counters it, Falco won't be hit). I believe that what happened is Falcon's up-B grabbed Falco but the Phantasm hit Falcon (meteoring him), which triggered one of those weird grab releases that happens when the grabber gets hit (which is why Falco was sent away from the stage and was no longer in Special Fall). I don't think Falco daired.
I am not sure though, so I would like a confirmation or correction.
Jeapie
Smash Journeyman
confirmed that what the dude above me said.
You 2 actually watched the vid, ha! Thanks
You 2 actually watched the vid, ha! Thanks