Well that's why you don't play above the ICs as Ganon, it's just dumb and the ICs will get free aerials.
ICs can uair, and your fist will hit their hammers even if they are right in front of you with proper spacing on the ics part.
Jumping back with Fair requires being in the air at some point. Though admittedly you don't really get above them because of moving back.
I still maintain the matchup is extremely underdeveloped for ICs and it's much, much easier to play it as Ganon, but at this point in time I'm certainly willing to say that Ganon destroys them hideously.
This is really correct. Right now, pretty much every IC gets ***** terribly by Ganon, but I don't think it is because of the character, instead it is about the underdeveloped matchup. No ICs claim to know the matchup inside and out. Fly came to the boards one day and said "wow blizzard is terrible" and then like a month later said "Blizzard might be the most important tool in this matchup" or something along those lines. We are still figuring it out, give it a min =D
Ive been watching this discussion for a good while, but I feel like it needs some input on the ganon side since kage is getting outnumbered lol. Peef, ive beaten fly twice in tournament before, same with Uber Ice, and beat Chu at pound 4. I do not contribute these wins to the matchup though. I am pretty knowledgeable on how to fight ice climbers, but I have never played an icee's player that thoroughly knew the ganon matchup as well.
I personally think that the matchup is 55-45 in ganons favor, only because of his ease in disposing nana. The main reason it is such a close matchup regardless is because of popo's single ice climber chaingrab on ganon that can be the saving grace once nana is dead. Wavedash to jab also wrecks ganons approach and it's not too hard to finish off ganon in a grab with two icee's,even if you mess up, because there's always the normal d-throw chaingrab.
Yeah, I think this is a good post. Being smart about Ganon's sheild pressure is something basically no IC does. The Dthrow CG is really good and fairly easy, and killing out of grabs isn't an issue for sure. Right now, ICs get pummeled as everyone agrees, but with more experience and sharing of information, the ICs DO have the right tools to deal with him when you factor our Nair, Bair, Blizzard, and grab stuff.
Peach, for example, we just don't have the right tools to deal with that MU. We could make it a little better, but that will NEVER be even. Ganon however, could perhaps be an even matchup with more work and better use of our tools.
