Scar talks Lean Melee [2012YotF]

[Tomacawk]

I feel cool all the time
I lost a 10$ moneymatch by uair dropzoning on yoshi's and dieing from the bottom before I dj'd lol
i felt dumb for a few seconds

 

[ChivalRuse]

Haha you lost money.

Your tag should be COX$ from now on. XD

 

[Tomacawk]

haha. I'll think about it. Usually my tags are M3K and Dro...but COX$ is pretty cool lol

 

[DippnDots]

A lot of people use Dro lol, among other such terms for that fun stuff. So many people use the box tag since you know when.

 

[Stratford]

Hey so sometimes when I'm recovering against Sheik and she's being gay and downsmashes at the ledge and I ledgetech walljump up b, the downsmash just hits me again and then I die. I guess this happens against Peach's dsmash too. Should I wait longer after the walljump before I do the up b until her downsmash is done? Because I still want to hit her with the up b if possible...

 

[Meneks]

A lot of people use Dro lol, among other such terms for that fun stuff. So many people use the box tag since you know when.

I don't even know how to make the box tag.

p.s How do you make it?

 

[Scar]

someone tell me why this is wrong

originally posted by Scar
also quite unfortunately i see no evidence whatsoever that marth is better than jigglypuff, seriously, at all

marth's good matchups include fox and falco, mostly because of FD and mostly because of M2K. jigglypuff does just fine vs both of those characters and doesn't lose to falcon. marth has great gimps but jiggs's are better. marth has a good fair, jiggs has her stupidly fast/strong/large aerials AND the aerial DI to approach with them. marth is combo fodder, jiggs doesn't get combod. marth's recovery is good, jiggs's recovery is the best in the game. marth has trouble killing at high %s, jiggs doesn't have trouble killing at any %, including 0.

 

[Strong Badam]

i don't really think there's enough evidence to state that either marth or jiggs are better than the other. jiggs tends to die at lower percentages, but it's balanced by her greater ability to KO and recover.

also, why is it that I can win on dreamland against a falcon, be cp'd back to dreamland, lose, cp stadium, and then lose???

 

[Europhoria]

someone tell me why this is wrong

originally posted by Scar
also quite unfortunately i see no evidence whatsoever that marth is better than jigglypuff, seriously, at all

marth's good matchups include fox and falco, mostly because of FD and mostly because of M2K. jigglypuff does just fine vs both of those characters and doesn't lose to falcon. marth has great gimps but jiggs's are better. marth has a good fair, jiggs has her stupidly fast/strong/large aerials AND the aerial DI to approach with them. marth is combo fodder, jiggs doesn't get combod. marth's recovery is good, jiggs's recovery is the best in the game. marth has trouble killing at high %s, jiggs doesn't have trouble killing at any %, including 0.

Marth beats up on the low tier characters harder then Jiggs which definitely matters >_>
As for the spacies, I feel Marth does better vs. Fox then Jiggs, but that they fair about the same against Falco (maybe Jiggs does a bit better). Marth also has a noticeably harder time with Sheik. Head to head I think the match up favours Marth like 6/4 maybe.

Marth's edge guarding, range, defensive options, mobility, gay tippers, etc. still make him amazing in general though. I think any move/opponent lag > rest is the best form of gimping in the game as it works at any % from any part of the stage. They both edge guard most characters really hard.

That being said, they're not that far apart in terms of a tier placement. I kinda think their placement depends on how you value the traits they have unique to themselves in this scenario. I just think the longer lifespan/sheik match up (but not even really this because it's not like there's an abundance of Sheiks, this is just specific to my area)/rest are the more practical advantages vs. the mobility/range/etc.

Yeah >_> so there's nothing really wrong with the post.

On a Falcon related note >_> I'm having issues keeping pace with space animals that don't sidestep, help.

 

[P.C. Jona]

someone tell me why this is wrong

originally posted by Scar
also quite unfortunately i see no evidence whatsoever that marth is better than jigglypuff, seriously, at all

marth's good matchups include fox and falco, mostly because of FD and mostly because of M2K. jigglypuff does just fine vs both of those characters and doesn't lose to falcon. marth has great gimps but jiggs's are better. marth has a good fair, jiggs has her stupidly fast/strong/large aerials AND the aerial DI to approach with them. marth is combo fodder, jiggs doesn't get combod. marth's recovery is good, jiggs's recovery is the best in the game. marth has trouble killing at high %s, jiggs doesn't have trouble killing at any %, including 0.

i think thats right lol

i dont understand where people are getting that

"marth" this and "marth" that

the only marth out that can compete is m2k's
it can be extremely gay, but just not as gay as jiggs at all

jiggs get a good read and its a stock, to any character because of her rest

thats all that matters

its not like a shine where you gotta be off the stage to get the kill

its anywhere on stage

you might survive but then you still dont have time to punish, and you just got like 35% from one move

jiggs vs fox is ****

look at shiz's fox vs hbox

first match on fd, like 3 upthrow rests
and with platforms it can be even worse

up throw, read the tech, another rest, or just get gimped by bair's or fair's

only thing fox can do is upthrow upair which good jigg's know how to smash di
and up smash which is **** but, not good enough

marth can only chaingrab on fd

the other stages he has to work for it
and gets up throw up air'd worse then jiggs

idk im with scar

 

[P.C. Jona]

On a Falcon related note >_> I'm having issues keeping pace with space animals that don't sidestep, help.

i think i pushed edit but im not sure so might be a double post

you shouldnt be waiting for a sidestep anyways

most dont even do that anyways, theres almost no reason for them to

falcon's shield pressure is garbage + they can shine out of shield

just make the most out of your grab's and stomp's

try to get a lead early in the game with an uptilt gimp

then just get that damage and do work

the uptilt gimp might be gay, but if you get ahead early, you can afford to miss your tech chases a little

if its even you need to be so precise its not even funny because if you get behind, usually its over

 

[Scar]

jiggs>marth IMO and by a considerable margin

sidestep is bad for CF because it comes out quickly enough to evade your grab, so we usually wait for the sidestep to end and then do something

if they aren't sidestepping, you should be grabbing

if they are shining/utilting/jabbing or something like that when you try to grab, anticipate and get around that. spaced knee works vs all 3.

 

[Strong Badam]

stop posting like mango PC Jona you're annoying enough without doing so

 

[P.C. Jona]

go play dk or something

 

[Strong Badam]

i do & i got 9th at tournament today, 5th in doubles, how's your tourney placing going there mr. jona

 

[P.C. Jona]

im sorry im in tri state

you know where the people do good in national tourney's and stuff

who won that tourney btw

my only tourney i was like 8th lmao

not even joking

there was like 15 people so it was nothing

rom2 we'll see what up k

 

[Strong Badam]

8th isn't even a placing wtf

 

[P.C. Jona]

so like i said who won your tourney

scar won the tourney i went to
then eggm
swiftbass
tec0
strict9

i dont even know who else

who gives a crap what place i was in thats not the point
the point is i lost to good people

who did you lose to

 

[NES n00b]

I'm eating my popcorn. Watching the show. One time I got 6th in a tourney and 11th in another.

 

[P.C. Jona]

I'm eating my popcorn. Watching the show. One time I got 6th in a tourney and 11th in another.

son your going to rom2?

i think you went to rom1 right ?

 

[NES n00b]

No and no. I am going to a Southwest tourney instead since Midsouth can drive there.

 

[Ocho(*8*)]

son your going to rom2?

i think you went to rom1 right ?

I thought you two were money matching 50 dollars at rom2.

If you arent already though, you should challenge him Jona.

 

[P.C. Jona]

ahh gay

i would mm him but not for 50 lol
i dont have money like that

maybe 5

 

[NES n00b]

I thought you two were money matching 50 dollars at rom2.

If you arent already though, you should challenge him Jona.

What's the point? I can't win anyway. He got 8th place at a tristate tourney. ****

 

[P.C. Jona]

wow

you need to play me

so you wont talk crap

screw smashboards

everyone is stupid

and before anyone says something stupid again

yes im crying to my mommy, yes the internet is so serious its my life,

and yes i suck at smash
play me and shut up k bye

 

[NES n00b]

I'm making fun of the fact that you said you got "8th" place which doesn't exist in double elimination tournaments (unless played out). Calm down.

 

[Strong Badam]

lmao nes n00b i lol'd <3 nes n00b he's gonna win pound 4

 

[Stratford]

8th isn't even a placing wtf

Hahahaha get *****.

 

[Drecker]

Jona is Choknater 2.0, except nobody likes him.

 

[TresChikon]

Be nice guys, we're all here to have fun and certainly NOT kill each other, right?

 

[Reaver197]

One time I got first in a tourney. It was a tourney at my college, but it still counts right?

My prize was a drawing of a talking cowboy wang. It was pretty awesome.

 

[Tomacawk]

Jona was simply citing that your average tristate player is far better than your average midwest player
jona, strongbad's dk would **** you, which is completely irrelevant. you're both being stupid and should stop it
and jona, seriously dude, quit calling people out on smashboards, especially people not from your region that you'll probably never meet. and if you want respect you need to clean up your posts, probably post less, and stop taking part in drama
the real winner here is nes n00b
and he isn't going to win pound 4
but he has a legit chance at being the highest placing falcon

 

[JPOBS]

i

jiggs get a good read and its a stock, to any character because of her rest

thats all that matters

its not like a shine where you gotta be off the stage to get the kill

its anywhere on stage

you might survive but then you still dont have time to punish, and you just got like 35% from one move

jiggs vs fox is ****

look at shiz's fox vs hbox

first match on fd, like 3 upthrow rests
and with platforms it can be even worse

up throw, read the tech, another rest, or just get gimped by bair's or fair's

only thing fox can do is upthrow upair which good jigg's know how to smash di

I dont why people havent figured this ut yet.

if you play spacies and get grabbed, two step process to not getting rested:
1)DI the throw, jiggs is never going to be getting arbitrary grabs vs spacies like falcon or other fast characters who can quite literally approach with grab. Jiggs should only ever get grabs of off messed up sheild pressure or something, so yea, DI that ish isnt even hard

2) ALWAYS tech away from the jiggs. ALways. she doesnt have to speed to cover an away tech with a rest. most of the time she cant get you period. Jiggs should never be reading techs into rest because you should always tech away. its really that easy.

Also, just because shiz misses DI and gets upthrow rested on fd doesnt mean the matchup is ****. fox ***** jiggs matchup wise, hbox is just a great player, and shiz messed up

player skill =/= character being good

look at falcon

 

[KAOSTAR]

lol shiz messed up 3 times

Platform rest are viable.

not to mention jiggz combos into it with uptilts uairs pounds fair

also oos.

I just see jiggz gettin alot of rests off in the near future

 

[JPOBS]

what are you doing as a falco/fox/falcon that jiggs can rest oos 0_o

Platform rests are legit tho if they can read you

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Jona, chances are people will like you a lot more if you stop pressing return twice every time you finish a sentence. You're not mango. You're not choknater. You're definitely not scar.

On the other hand, you guys need to get off his back. he gets a lot of unwarranted crap, along with that which is warranted.

 

[P.C. Jona]

nah idc what people say on smashboards

they wouldnt talk to me like that in person so its cool

im mad cool to play and hang out with

they just dont know it, you just gotta chill with me to get me

like milos thought he wouldnt like me because of the way i type on smashboards

but we met and played and were cool

i keep typing the way i do, to make people feel stupid for typing mad crap about me

but then they meet me, and dont do it again

its funny

 

[ChivalRuse]

Fox beats Jiggs. Just play gayer than her.

 

[Reaver197]

I think part of the issue with Jiggs is that most people aren't used to or have that much experience with high-level Jiggs play. Once people get used to her, and see when she can rest you and when she can't (and the little tricks she does to get them), she probably will become more manageable.

Also, Jona is pretty cool in person. He certainly types a lot differently than he talks, lol.

We gotta play again some time. And do more Falcon teams, Jona.

 

[P.C. Jona]

word man

we'll talk on the tfs thread i wanna play soon

so ya

falcon has the best combos in the game