ROB Q&A!! Read this before asking questions...ALL OF IT!

[Silhouette]

No no, you all misunderstand me! xD

Once I saw a video where Donkey Kong could glide-toss a beam sword on training mode, but instead of tossing it forward (he went forward of course), he throw it backwards (by "backwards" I mean this: Imagine that you're holding Peach's plucked beam sword in a real battle, and then you press "Z"). Do you get my already bad explanation now?

Do you mean sliding one way and throwing it the other? Because thats what I explained. I've never seen anyone GL with a soft Z toss over the sholder.

 

[Mr.E]

When talking with regard to a particular character, I'd always take the first value [xx:yy] as belonging to that character. Maybe that's just me. Like if a TO asked me how my match with "Dude" went, I'm not gonna say "0-2" if I meant that I won the set 2-0.

Personally, I think the Olimar match-up is fun as hell. In ROB's favor if anything but effectively pretty even.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fXTV8Q7maU

What happened with the "thick" laser (does it have another name?) at 3:04?

Weird stage transitioning must've screwed it up. Sometimes the laser gets cut off early for no discernable reason

Wario is a weird MU, he overwhelms us over like crazy with his mobility and far better weight and killpower.

ROB is virtually just as heavy as Wario, you know. ;[

 

[-LzR-]

Weight just doesn't mean survivability. Wario is much better in that case. I used the wrong word for it.

 

[Jorgeme]

No no, you all misunderstand me! xD

Once I saw a video where Donkey Kong could glide-toss a beam sword on training mode, but instead of tossing it forward (he went forward of course), he throw it backwards (by "backwards" I mean this: Imagine that you're holding Peach's plucked beam sword in a real battle, and then you press "Z"). Do you get my already bad explanation now?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=229508

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[ccst]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=229508

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THANK YOU SO MUCH!! That's it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqImRJUXxAw

Also, Wario and Yoshi have the same weight, not R.O.B. and Wario. R.O.B. is slightly lighter than Wario.

 

[-LzR-]

And Wario has so much better momentum cancel, but slightly worse recovery. Overall he lives far longer.

 

[sneakytako]

Not really, wario is simply harder to hit. He doesn't live at higher percents than ROB imo, you just need to work on your ROB DI .

 

[-LzR-]

What? Wario is heavier, better momentum cancel, falls faster, 30 times better mobility and a great recovery.

Who lives longer now?

 

[Zwarm]

Wario, but only because ROB's momentum cancel is ****, even with good DI.

 

[sneakytako]

The thing is, ROB doesn't have to commit as much to KO based on our moves are disjointed, our ability to gimp, and our projectiles kill. Honestly I would say that ROB lives longer, played with the mindset of avoiding KO moves.

 

[SoupaSonic]

Uh hi guys, sorry to interrupt but I was wondering if dash attack utilt was guaranteed at low percents. Oh and uthrow to uair. I just wanna know cuz robs's my secondary

 

[GwJ]

I don't think either are.

 

[ccst]

The thing is, ROB doesn't have to commit as much to KO based on our moves are disjointed, our ability to gimp, and our projectiles kill. Honestly I would say that ROB lives longer, played with the mindset of avoiding KO moves.

I strongly disagree.

And SoupaSonic, nope it isn't.

 

[SoupaSonic]

oh ok thanks guys

 

[-LzR-]

Rob isn't that good at avoiding stuff. Big target, crappy shield, crappiest mobility and generally attacks aren't super safe on shield and he get juggles like nobodys business.

 

[ccst]

Yeah I agree with you -LzR-. R.O.B. gets grabbed out of shield every time too. So annoying.

 

[MARLX]

Why do R.O.B players cry when they're gyroid is taken away??

 

[Zwarm]

Why do R.O.B players cry when they're gyroid is taken away??

I do cry when my

is taken away.

 

[webshooter]

Are there different ways for performing pivoting and wavebouncing R.O.B.'s gyro? The buttons you press for pivoting your gyro is the same as wavebouncing it, so how do you separate them? For example, I want to do a retreating short hopped pivoted gyro charge, but I end up wavebouncing. Is there some factor that separates pivoting and wavebouncing or is it just random?

 

[Sharky]

they aren't quite the same. for the pivot you short hop away then just hit diagonal down-b in the direction you want to face. For the wavebounce you have to hit a couple directions on the control stick.

 

[Silhouette]

webshooter, I'll apologize in advance since I'm usually terrible at explaining things, and this is going to be especially complicated.


Ok, imagine the control stick as a clock with you facing 9 o'clock. Now imagine a line splitting it directly in half vertically (so a line from 6 to 12).

If you are facing 9, and you activate gyro by moving the control stick to 5 o'clock, you will pivot.

If you are facing 9, and you activate gyro by moving the control stick to 7 o'clock, then QUICKLY slamming the control stick to 3 o'clock you will b-reverse (what you called a wavebounce, but they're actually different things).

*So its actually all based on which side of 6 o'clock you start on.



A wavebounce is actually just a pivot and a b-reverse performed in succession, and I'll include a brief description:
If, once again, you were facing 9 o'clock, and you activate gyro by moving to 5 o'clock (causing a pivot) then QUICKLY slam the stick back to 9 o'clock (causing a b-reverse). The whole thing is a wavebounce.

*You may notice whenever you wavebounce you will be facing the same direction as when you started, as opposed to a b-reverse in which you will face the opposite.



So basically, a b-reverse is the mechanism of using a b-move to switch your momentum, while a wavebounce is a double reverse.

*note: whenever you want to perform a b-reverse: Perform your B move of choice in one direction, then quickly slam the stick in the opposite direction you are facing. Works for most B moves, including ROBs Up-B, gyro, and laser. Works for his side B too but is not as drastic.



hope this helped man, welcome to the boards.

 

[ccst]

It helped me quite much, thank you! ([^^]

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

can rob footstool someone while using his up-b like pit can?

 

[Silhouette]

can rob footstool someone while using his up-b like pit can?

I do not believe he can, but then again I didn't know pit could either so I may be mistaken.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

someone should test this. i don't have a wii anymore or i would test it myself.

 

[GwJ]

Sil's description is probs the only one I've been able to grasp. Good noodles.

 

[webshooter]

Ahhh, I see now Silhouette. I always thought to pivot my gyro, I had to immediately change directions on my control stick after starting my gyro, making it really hard for me. Now that I know the real way to pivot it, This will definitely step my R.O.B. game up. Thanks!

 

[Silhouette]

and I was about 87% sure I was going to confuse you more..

tight.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

did anyone ever see if rob can footstool out of up b? still waitin on a tested answer and still don't have a wii to test myself. sry bout the inconvienence but this is the q and a thread

 

[stingers]

I can tell you...

he can't footstool out of up b but you can just footstool someone then up B. if you're already in your up B then no, its not possible

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

thank u stingers

 

[Zigsta]

What do you guys think of using side B to pressure shields when they're low?

I've only seen a few videos of stingers, Chibo, Tommy, and Ocean, and I've only seen Ocean use it. I always thought side B was kinda...worthless.

 

[GwJ]

I use side b more frequently than most. Just don't make a habit out of it and it could be a nifty tool. It's not good, but it's more of a "What the **** is this?" kinda thing.

 

[-LzR-]

I use it. It sucks, but it still works.

 

[PEACE7]

What's Rob's strongest throw?

 

[-LzR-]

Depending on the situation, Back or upthrow.

 

[PEACE7]

Alright got you thanks.

 

[ccst]

If you wanna poke on shields, use D-tilt, lesser lag and much safer.

 

[-LzR-]

I don't think dtilting a shield is safe against chars with good OoS moves.

 

[GwJ]

If you space properly, it's safe on certain characters.