ROB Q&A!! Read this before asking questions...ALL OF IT!

[6Mizu]

Because I've noticed that angling it downwards makes it stronger. =/
And BoTastic!, what do you mean, can someone explain?
And what is R.O.B.'s blindspot?

ROB's blindspot- It a LARGE a** area under ROB, making him vulnerable to juggling/most moves that come from below him.

 

[Sudai]

That's one of his Air blind spots. We also have 45-75ish degrees off the horizontal in front of us in the air and 55-80ish off the horizontal when on the ground.

 

[Zwarm]

I've always thought down-angled was stronger, I used to kill with it more than upwards. Hmm.

 

[Tmacc]

I think it depends. I always thought down and up were both good because it messed with people's DI or something.

 

[GwJ]

I only angle it when I glide toss because back in the day of un-angling I would always miss the Fsmash after a glide toss, but as long as they're in range, down-angled Fsmash always hit.

 

[Nova9000]

I have a question. I've been working on wavebouncing, and I have a good idea on it (I still side B too much for my liking). However, when do I apply it lol? Like except for the WB SH gyro cancel, I don't really know what other times to apply WB.
Oh, and is GT forwards (throwing gyro down) pivot grabbing legit?

 

[Sudai]

Use it to get back to the stage. Someone trying to jungle you, fall to the left, WB to the right, get away. Once they get used to this you can mix in double wave bounces and triple wave bounces and omg it gets redic. You're basically wave dashing in the air. lol

 

[TheMike]

I have a question. I've been working on wavebouncing, and I have a good idea on it (I still side B too much for my liking). However, when do I apply it lol? Like except for the WB SH gyro cancel, I don't really know what other times to apply WB.
Oh, and is GT forwards (throwing gyro down) pivot grabbing legit?

A video as example of what Sudai said: 3:28(double wavebounce). There are some examples of single wavebounce on this video, too. When not recoverying, I only do wavebounce for mindgames, like when your opponent is above a platform and you use wavebounce gyro cancel to Bair.

 

[6Mizu]

A video as example of what Sudai said: 3:28(double wavebounce). There are some examples of single wavebounce on this video, too. When not recoverying, I only do wavebounce for mindgames, like when your opponent is above a platform and you use wavebounce gyro cancel to Bair.

or on this vid at 0:13 in this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QV...p=FCF8C6C8898B7498&playnext_from=PL&index=153

 

[Spin]

i'm sure this has been answered somewhere in here but how does one gyro cancel? i looked on the community guide but it didn't say how, it just showed it

 

[TheMike]

Press R/L soon after pressing Down B.

 

[Spin]

Thanks. Much appreciated

 

[stingers]

i like wavebouncing after running off platforms too.

 

[TheMike]

Thanks. Much appreciated

Z can also be used to gyro cancel. Sorry for forgetting.

 

[Spin]

it's cool. L is easier for me. thanks again =]

 

[Silhouette]

Its easiest to just HOLD L/R/Z once you pull out gyro, it will cancel as quickly as possible with no chance of accidentally airdodging after.

you can also hold it for the entire double/tripple B-reverse.

 

[Nova9000]

Use it to get back to the stage. Someone trying to jungle you, fall to the left, WB to the right, get away. Once they get used to this you can mix in double wave bounces and triple wave bounces and omg it gets redic. You're basically wave dashing in the air. lol

A video as example of what Sudai said: 3:28(double wavebounce). There are some examples of single wavebounce on this video, too. When not recoverying, I only do wavebounce for mindgames, like when your opponent is above a platform and you use wavebounce gyro cancel to Bair.

or on this vid at 0:13 in this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-QV...p=FCF8C6C8898B7498&playnext_from=PL&index=153

Thanks for the responses. Guess I know what to practice on...

And is GT forward while throwing gyro down pivot grabbing legit? I heard someone tell me it was a combo and I've done it before. However, if it weren't very practical, I wouldn't practice it.

 

[Darth Waffles]

Well... just from the description it doesn't sound too practical. In order for a gyro thrown DOWN to hit him, you must be pretty close to him and he must not be shielding, which probably isn't the case very often. If he isn't shielding, throwing it forward would work just as well, if not better since it can also lead to an fsmash.

 

[Mister Eric]

"Wavebouncing" the gyro cancel to an edge hog is pretty nice I believe.

 

[Nova9000]

Well... just from the description it doesn't sound too practical. In order for a gyro thrown DOWN to hit him, you must be pretty close to him and he must not be shielding, which probably isn't the case very often. If he isn't shielding, throwing it forward would work just as well, if not better since it can also lead to an fsmash.

I guess I can explain it a little better. What I'm pretty much saying is using the momentum from the GT to perform a pivot grab. Since throwing the gyro forward often results in them being hit, shielding, or dodging, it doesn't really work to toss it forward and attempt a grab, especially if they dodge. But by throwing it down (I think the animation for throwing down is faster than any other direction besides forward)the gyro never interferes and since they expect a thrown gyro, you gain the momentum but no gyro. And since I'm not trying to hit them with the gyro, throwing it down works and I just pivot while gliding. However, the spacing for this to work is kinda strict since ROB doesn't have a grab range like Marth or Charizard, for example. If I knew how to upload vids I'd do so just to show you what I mean. I hope this explains it a little better.

 

[Darth Waffles]

Yea, I get what you're saying now. I do something similar against Falcos if they get twitchy whenever I have a gyro in hand. I inch forward or even duck and they'll throw out a reflector. Even if they don't, I can GT up/down and use the momentum to get a grab/smash as the reflector whiffs

 

[bundtcake]

So, at what percentage is up throw a guaranteed KO against MK? Recently in a tourney I upthrew a MK at 155% and he DI'd it (on the last stock of last match of grand finals no less, after which he came back and beat me @_@) so I am prompted to find out exactly how long I should be waiting before using it as a KO move against people with good DI o:

 

[stingers]

uthrow is like never useful as a KO move its probably around 170 or so though from memory...

 

[bundtcake]

Hmm, thanks o: I know it's not that great of a KO move but when you're up in those percentages it's nice to know when you can KO with a throw (well, aside from something like bthrow by the edge, which would KO sooner than uthrow I'm assuming). Unfortunately I seem to get in this situation too often against MK... D:

 

[BoTastic!]

Falco's lasers, how can rob rival them?

 

[Sudai]

Power Shield. With good timing and practice you can powershield lasers and Side-B's. Dash attacks are extremely easy to powershield as well and you can grab armor the USmash if he trys to gatling combo so w/e.

Took me like an hour of playing with Sethlon to learn all the different timings, y'all can do the same.

 

[Silhouette]

I like to duck higher laser and pshield the low, try to get a gyro below him when he jumps to laser.

 

[BoTastic!]

How does flying over the lasers fair?

 

[Nova9000]

I don't think that's a good idea. They stop you in the air and it gives Falco time to close the gap and juggle you. And we all know how loathsome it is being above a foe with ROB in the air.

 

[Tmacc]

PSing is generally the way to go, I'd say. Being over Falco could=immense juggling...

 

[BoTastic!]

Yea I thought so...

 

[Zwarm]

Lol, Bo. Trying to avoid what happened with Arty again?

Oh, and if we meet in brackets at BoM this weekend, I'll go ROB this time.

 

[ccst]

So, at what percentage is up throw a guaranteed KO against MK? Recently in a tourney I upthrew a MK at 155% and he DI'd it (on the last stock of last match of grand finals no less, after which he came back and beat me @_@) so I am prompted to find out exactly how long I should be waiting before using it as a KO move against people with good DI o:

It depends on character, weight, DI, stage and so, but 160+ is not impossible.

 

[BoTastic!]

Lol, Bo. Trying to avoid what happened with Arty again?

Oh, and if we meet in brackets at BoM this weekend, I'll go ROB this time.

sweet. I might go rob too, but I know you hate Rob dittos. xD

Also yea, I hated how Arty played me, so frustrating. If I overcome the lasers I can beat him.

 

[GwJ]

i'm sure this has been answered somewhere in here but how does one gyro cancel? i looked on the community guide but it didn't say how, it just showed it

:O

I'll fix that when I get time.

 

[Paix]

how do you do aerials whilst holding the gyro? it just throws the gyro whenever i try

 

[Sudai]

You have to have been holding an attack button prior and then use the CStick or you can do it in your Up-B. You can also Up-B, aerial and hold A, then do another for two in a row with an easy set up.

 

[stingers]

or if you're technical you can drop it and aerial right away and it'll pick it up

 

[Tin Man]

You have to have been holding an attack button prior and then use the CStick or you can do it in your Up-B. You can also Up-B, aerial and hold A, then do another for two in a row with an easy set up.

ok, the upB part is true, but I dont believe any character can just hold the attack button and then use the Cstick to perform aerials. I am pretty sure it is impossible to do an aerial while holding an item unless (with the exception of ROB's upB and Peach's hovering stance).

 

[Silhouette]

ok, the upB part is true, but I dont believe any character can just hold the attack button and then use the Cstick to perform aerials. I am pretty sure it is impossible to do an aerial while holding an item unless (with the exception of ROB's upB and Peach's hovering stance).

Try it, it works.

You can also do D-tilts with items with characters that can crawl, most useful with Diddy.