ROB Q&A!! Read this before asking questions...ALL OF IT!

[TheMike]

Sometimes when I play Diddy, I catch the banana in the air with Z and try to throw it by using C-stick. However, Bair comes out when I C-stick soon after catching the banana.

 

[stingers]

i think you have to land before it takes effect.

 

[Spin]

:O

I'll fix that when I get time.

haha cool. glad i brought attention to it

 

[Tin Man]

Try it, it works.

You can also do D-tilts with items with characters that can crawl, most useful with Diddy.

testing immediately then.

 

[Silhouette]

Sometimes when I play Diddy, I catch the banana in the air with Z and try to throw it by using C-stick. However, Bair comes out when I C-stick soon after catching the banana.

The following is my theory crafting from my knowledge of diddy and instatossing.

From what i remember my diddy maining friend wakka stating, instatossing is easier when you use L or R instead of Z. I believe this is because L and R force an airdodge, even when catching an item, and C-sticking the throw cancels the airdodge, this is different than Z because of the situation of perfectly catching an item without airdodging, which probably gives you a smaller window to toss.

but just simple theory, I had the same problem at one point.

 

[Deadweight]

Where do you guys bring Falco on a cp stage?
I brought him to Lylatt, in theroy the tilt was to throw off his grab game and his lasers...kind of sort of worked....

 

[stingers]

cp falco to like...delfino

 

[Deadweight]

cp falco to like...delfino

lol......k

 

[stingers]

glad I could help

 

[CT Chia]

When I asked DEHF he told me the best place is Lylat. I forget what he said the 2nd was, prob Orpheon.

I normally hate the stage, but playing Keitaro on Yoshis was pretty good yesterday. The edges being lower than the stage really helped my ledge camping.

 

[Silhouette]

I took Shugo to Halberd 2nd game yesterday.

Worked pretty well, ledge camping and getting back on the stage were easy since you can shoot lasers up through the stage and shark.

 

[Tin Man]

but halberd helps his u smash

I was gonna say wtf delfino but then understood why delfino works (attack thru stage). For that prupose, brinstar also works. What about rainbow cruise guys.

Altho at the end of the day, i just use Olimar vs Falco, lol sorry guys

 

[GwJ]

haha cool. glad i brought attention to it

YOU MADE ME LOOK FOR NO REASON! I DID HAVE!

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=234286

Ctrl+F "Gyro Cancel", it's like the 3rd or 4th one. I even made an animated gif for it.

 

[TheMike]

Falco's Side B is horrible on Halberd when recoverying, btw.

 

[GwJ]

I love recoverying.

 

[ccst]

Brinstar can interrupt his chain grab.

 

[Tin Man]

I'd take falco to brinstar

 

[Silhouette]

Falco's Side B is horrible on Halberd when recoverying, btw.

He cant go for the ledge or he'll fall through, and if he lands on stage he usually will land on the platform, setting up for a U-smash.

Most the time if you take him to brinstar, they'll just switch characters, its that bad for them.

 

[TheMike]

He cant go for the ledge or he'll fall through, and if he lands on stage he usually will land on the platform, setting up for a U-smash.

But before that we can shoot either a laser or a gyro and he will probably recovery using Up B, which is worst. Brinstar is way better than Halberd, but Falco's recovery isn't so good on the latter like it is on other stages.

 

[Tin Man]

I don't think holding the attack button and Csticking works =/. The only way to do aerials while holding an item is upB aerials.

 

[Sudai]

I'm pretty sure I've done it before? If not, I know I've buffered aerials out of an airdodge while holding an item.

 

[GwJ]

Yea, you can definitely hold the A button and C-stick your moves.

 

[Revolutionary1804]

does the D-tilt lock work from any 2 throw combinations or does it have to be F-throw -> F-throw???

 

[GwJ]

It technically doesn't work from any grab guaranteed. You just need to have your opponent not tech the stage.

 

[Silhouette]

It works anytime they hit the stage without teching (except at crazy %), since its a jab lock.

F-throw > F-throw just happens to be a good situation to make them bounce on the stage.

 

[Revolutionary1804]

sick new AT instead of wavebouncing and turnning around did you know you could robo booster backwards while facing the same direction.

basically its a retreating robo booster in which instead of turning around you retreat facing them with full backwards momentum.

 

[GwJ]

I'm a little confused by what you are saying. Do you mean running forward and robo bustering backwards while still facing forward? Is that even possible? I'd imagine if you RAR WB the Up B you could do it.

 

[Revolutionary1804]

I'm a little confused by what you are saying. Do you mean running forward and robo bustering backwards while still facing forward? Is that even possible? I'd imagine if you RAR WB the Up B you could do it.

basically ROB is attacking or dashing toward the opponent. You can if u time it right, the robo boost will send you backwards. it will propel you backwards while still facing the opponent.

 

[-LzR-]

So you can do aerials while holding a gyro by buffering them? Wow, does it have to be done after airdodge or is there a better way?

 

[Sudai]

Ahv, I think it works as long as you buffer it out of anything (literally any action you take has a buffer window at the end of it). At least I first noticed it when I'd accidentally aerial after I airdodge caught something way back before I switched to Z catching (so like, 5-6 months into the game).

Revo, this was known before, but I'm not sure if it's in the WB thread or not. It should be. All you're doing is a reverse WB. It's like doing a reverse revers Falcon/Warlock punch just on a stricter timing. Can be done with anything that can normally wave bounce (and can be done in the reverse direction..not sure if there's any B moves you can't reverse though).

 

[ccst]

Can anyone tell this more detailed: How do you soft toss glide?

 

[GwJ]

Increase the time between rolling and hitting the attack button.

 

[Revolutionary1804]

Thanks Sudai. But after doing this twice accidentaly i cant even run and turn the robo booster. do any of you have any hints as to doing it consistently, (not the WB robo booster) just the normal run and turn around robo booster, for edgeguarding

 

[Darth Waffles]

On a related note, I was under smashville in the up B animation, and I hadn't canceled it with anything. All of a sudden, ROB started moving the other way while still facing forward and retaining the speed of the motion. I've done this twice now by accident, switching directions but facing the same way.

Thoughts? This isn't like holding the joystick opposite the motion to slow yourself down and then float the other way. Instead, the change in direction was instantaneous. In both cases, ROB's head was touching the underside of smashville, not just floating in the air.

 

[Revolutionary1804]

this is what i was talking about, except that wasnt fliying

 

[Darth Waffles]

the turn around up B you're talking about is a lot easier to do with tap jump on. Try practicing the grounded running up B first. Run right, and press up and b at the same time. To end up facing the opposite way while still moving right, instead of pressing up (the 12 o'clock position), press between 11:30 and 12, or between the Northwest and North notches on the joystick. You can get away with pushing it pretty far in the opposite direction and still getting the up B the way you want it.

With tap jump off, it's a little trickier, and harder to explain. The regular grounded up-B will take a little getting used to, but suffice it to say that the window will seem a bit stricter. You can get pretty much the same result if you press a jump button (I use Y) and then immediately press up-B, joystick *slightly* in the opposite direction you're currently facing, so that you turn around. I've found that this works better for me than not hitting the jump button, though both are possible

 

[ccst]

Are there any videos of this?

 

[Silhouette]

Yeah Darth Waffles, thats happened to me alot, just today actually.

Its a glitch that while your pushing up against the bottom of certain stages in your Up-B and hit the part where it turns into the slant you will just bounce off of nothing.

Its a problem with the stage design, another weird developers mistake.

It happens mostly on SV and BF to me, idk why but avoid it because your chances of survival are slim.

 

[Zwarm]

Yeah Darth Waffles, thats happened to me alot, just today actually.

Its a glitch that while your pushing up against the bottom of certain stages in your Up-B and hit the part where it turns into the slant you will just bounce off of nothing.

Its a problem with the stage design, another weird developers mistake.

It happens mostly on SV and BF to me, idk why but avoid it because your chances of survival are slim.

I ****ing hate this glitch, I lost a tournament match on SV because of it.

 

[ccst]

I don't understand what you are talking about, can anyone explain/show a video please?