Silhouette
Smash Lord
You can also see a strange version of this by doing MK/Kirbys Uthrow and having G&W Uair them. I wonder if that works with ROB too...
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ROB Q&A!! Read this before asking questions...ALL OF IT!
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stingers
Smash Obsessed
well get on smashville and try it @.@ my friend mains gaw...lol if i ever happened to grab someone with rob on the moving platform...they're so screwed 
Wario has a guaranteed combo on MK on the moving platform. Air Grab Release > Fart. The platform's movement puts Wario on the right position to Fart. I wonder if ROB can get something guaranteed on the moving platform. :D
Fishy, as I said, I'll be able to upload it only on Friday. I hope I see you on the Boards on Friday so as to send my Wii Number because I don't know it by heart.
Fishy, as I said, I'll be able to upload it only on Friday. I hope I see you on the Boards on Friday so as to send my Wii Number because I don't know it by heart.
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
Ok I have some problems with pikachu
Just watch the vids and give me advice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW6_5j8meFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOSQJDKn1jc
Just watch the vids and give me advice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW6_5j8meFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOSQJDKn1jc
Darth Waffles
Smash Lord
I only saw the first match so far. Your playstyle may have changed since September, but here's what I saw:
One thing in general was noticeable- powershielding. I think it's an "I play ROB and I grew up with sidestep>downsmash" thing, and this applies to at least 75% of ROBs (including me sometimes), but you need to improve the speed and accuracy of powershields. 0:37 and 1:28 are good examples of this. I know it's a natural response to hit the shield button when you hear thunder jolt begin, but when you press it too early, all it does is drain your shield and give you lag after the attack hits you. Thunder Jolt is slower than it seems, and is definitely slower than it sounds. 1:34, on the other hand, illustrates this point- you were able to fire a laser and still powershield in time. Some of your other powershields were good, but little things like this go a long way in keeping yourself out of bad situations in the long run.
1:42- You learned your lesson- don't try to beat that with nair... or anything else. Either recover high and airdodge through thunder (which IS possible) or hover for a bit, cancel up-B and reflect thunder with side B if you see it coming. If you're coming from below the stage, go for the ledge and use invincibility frames to punish thunder or get back on the stage. This doesn't mean to fly to the ledge ASAP (you CAN outlast a pikachu that jumps off to get you) because you don't want to be floating into a ledgedropped aerial or ledgedropped thunder. Taking an extra half-second to float up/cancel upb with fair is usually worth it because it gives you the option to react instead of play rock-paper-scissors offstage
1:55- lol. I like it =P Might not be reliable but it certainly worked so I can't complain.
2:01- I like the nair stall, giving you a clear path to the ledge instead of trying to land with a falling Nair. You don't want to get shieldgrabbed or hit with another thunder
2:02- you decided that you DID want to get shieldgrabbed or hit with another thunder by trying to land with a falling Nair instead of grabbing the ledge or recovering high. Instead of up-B-ing immediately again, drop below the edge and up-B into it, automatically grabbing it
2:07- Close, but not quite. In cases like this, you can hit with a Nair and sometimes a Fair and make it back offstage safely but you went for too much. Take the extra moment to float offstage to get a better position. Even if you don't hit pika during thunder lag, there's enough ending lag to let you have a better chance of making it back than trying to nair and keep going.
2:11- Much better, even if it was the only option at the time.
2:38- to be fair, falling Nair is/was also a bad habit of mine. It's such a sucky feeling to get shieldgrabbed after it though, so getting punished repeatedly eventually helped me break the habit.
3:05- Good
Last stock- I feel like you were fishing for the KO too much, throwing out a LOT of upsmashes where uptilts might have been better, or forward smashes where forward tilts might have reached. You ended up KOing with dsmash, which could have been DI'ed better, but you took a lot of damage in the process.
4:50- You were dangerously close there. Going for the Dair was not worth putting yourself in that position, especially with some fuel already gone, with pikachu at 0%, and with you at 110%
Just working on avoiding thunder both onstage and offstage and dealing with thunder jolt will save you a lot of % as well as saving a lot of your shield. Watching the end again, I noticed that when hanging on the ledge, you nearly always got back onstage by pressing the control stick. Just something to think about, since the pikachu only punished this once (though it was a costly once, giving you about 20% at the end that you really didn't want).
Edit: ftilt is a good punisher, and outranging pikachu is nice
Edit #2: ROBcide video up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx81Pc-VjLo
Works against other characters but remember to face away from the stage, otherwise you die and the opponent survives.
One thing in general was noticeable- powershielding. I think it's an "I play ROB and I grew up with sidestep>downsmash" thing, and this applies to at least 75% of ROBs (including me sometimes), but you need to improve the speed and accuracy of powershields. 0:37 and 1:28 are good examples of this. I know it's a natural response to hit the shield button when you hear thunder jolt begin, but when you press it too early, all it does is drain your shield and give you lag after the attack hits you. Thunder Jolt is slower than it seems, and is definitely slower than it sounds. 1:34, on the other hand, illustrates this point- you were able to fire a laser and still powershield in time. Some of your other powershields were good, but little things like this go a long way in keeping yourself out of bad situations in the long run.
1:42- You learned your lesson- don't try to beat that with nair... or anything else. Either recover high and airdodge through thunder (which IS possible) or hover for a bit, cancel up-B and reflect thunder with side B if you see it coming. If you're coming from below the stage, go for the ledge and use invincibility frames to punish thunder or get back on the stage. This doesn't mean to fly to the ledge ASAP (you CAN outlast a pikachu that jumps off to get you) because you don't want to be floating into a ledgedropped aerial or ledgedropped thunder. Taking an extra half-second to float up/cancel upb with fair is usually worth it because it gives you the option to react instead of play rock-paper-scissors offstage
1:55- lol. I like it =P Might not be reliable but it certainly worked so I can't complain.
2:01- I like the nair stall, giving you a clear path to the ledge instead of trying to land with a falling Nair. You don't want to get shieldgrabbed or hit with another thunder
2:02- you decided that you DID want to get shieldgrabbed or hit with another thunder by trying to land with a falling Nair instead of grabbing the ledge or recovering high. Instead of up-B-ing immediately again, drop below the edge and up-B into it, automatically grabbing it
2:07- Close, but not quite. In cases like this, you can hit with a Nair and sometimes a Fair and make it back offstage safely but you went for too much. Take the extra moment to float offstage to get a better position. Even if you don't hit pika during thunder lag, there's enough ending lag to let you have a better chance of making it back than trying to nair and keep going.
2:11- Much better, even if it was the only option at the time.
2:38- to be fair, falling Nair is/was also a bad habit of mine. It's such a sucky feeling to get shieldgrabbed after it though, so getting punished repeatedly eventually helped me break the habit.
3:05- Good
Last stock- I feel like you were fishing for the KO too much, throwing out a LOT of upsmashes where uptilts might have been better, or forward smashes where forward tilts might have reached. You ended up KOing with dsmash, which could have been DI'ed better, but you took a lot of damage in the process.
4:50- You were dangerously close there. Going for the Dair was not worth putting yourself in that position, especially with some fuel already gone, with pikachu at 0%, and with you at 110%
Just working on avoiding thunder both onstage and offstage and dealing with thunder jolt will save you a lot of % as well as saving a lot of your shield. Watching the end again, I noticed that when hanging on the ledge, you nearly always got back onstage by pressing the control stick. Just something to think about, since the pikachu only punished this once (though it was a costly once, giving you about 20% at the end that you really didn't want).
Edit: ftilt is a good punisher, and outranging pikachu is nice
Edit #2: ROBcide video up! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx81Pc-VjLo
Works against other characters but remember to face away from the stage, otherwise you die and the opponent survives.
Sorry guys for not making a nice edition with music like I did on a video called Shield Break Ledge Cancel. I had some serious problems with Windows Movie Maker. =/
The ROBcide is so fun. =)
The ROBcide is so fun. =)
Tin Man
Smash Hero
preferably MisterEric (for beating Hilt) and Chibo Sempai (for beating P~S/Logic)
Could u give me thorough tips on the Olimar vs ROB matchup?
Could u give me thorough tips on the Olimar vs ROB matchup?
stingers
Smash Obsessed
I'm not either of these people, but I wrote this awhile ago...see if this works for you
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8593932&postcount=9
then weruop responded to it
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8594149&postcount=10
and I responded to weruop
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8594221&postcount=13
i think its all worth reading
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8593932&postcount=9
then weruop responded to it
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8594149&postcount=10
and I responded to weruop
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8594221&postcount=13
i think its all worth reading
stingers
Smash Obsessed
Fair off the sides, if you DI wrong and you're not near the very corner of the stage, then jump to get as close to the corner as possible. Otherwise, if you're already at the corner, dont jump or you might die.
Off the top, Bair.
There's some complicated *** method involving side b that lets you live 1% longer, but its not really worth it
Off the top, Bair.
There's some complicated *** method involving side b that lets you live 1% longer, but its not really worth it
Syde7
The Sultan of Smut
Situational Side-b!
stingers
Smash Obsessed
XD
so i hear...you like usin the side B, dontcha boy?
so i hear...you like usin the side B, dontcha boy?
Black Mantis
Smash Hero
I need to stop using side b. Its literally ROB's worst move in almost any situation.
GwJ
Smash Hero
Don't mock my favorite move boy.
Mister Eric
Twitch.tv/MisterbeepEric Twitter: @MisterbeepEric
yeah bro, just saw this, ill give you some tips a little later
i is a tiredbot right now ^_^
Tin Man
Smash Hero
hey stingers, Bair toward the top, really, u also have to fast fall as well right? Why? Dont u use ur fastest aerial and then fast fall when u are dying off the top, again, why Bair? Also how would you suggest I physically perform the momentum cancel? When I think about it, I use the C-stick to perform the aerial, and then I mash down on control stick to fast fall.
Silhouette
Smash Lord
The last thing you want to do is fly straight up, youll die sooner, Bair pushes you towards the side (closer to the corners) + DI and Fast Falling. The moment they hit you smash both sticks to the side ASAP, then mash down/sideways on the left stick and sideways on your C-stick.
So use good judgement on when to use Bair or Fair.
GwJ
Smash Hero
Usually though when I'm hit facing the other side (say I'm hit to the upper right, I'm usually facing the left), so when I bair, I'm actually hurting myself. I just play it safe with Bair.
Mister Eric
Twitch.tv/MisterbeepEric Twitter: @MisterbeepEric
When I used to try and bair, I would always stick my robo booty outside the kill zone. One time I recovered, went off the screen and came back without me rear.
Tin Man
Smash Hero
Can we get some matchup discussions started again, I would realy like that
also LOL mister eric
also LOL mister eric
Sudai
Stuff here
Use MK against MK. It's your best shot, honestly.
Mister Eric
Twitch.tv/MisterbeepEric Twitter: @MisterbeepEric
Don't let Sudai lie to you.
Sudai
Stuff here
He wouldn't let me lie to him cause I'm not lying. lol
stingers
Smash Obsessed
yeah sudai is right lol
learn the mk ditto
learn the mk ditto
Overswarm
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rally to ban MK is your best shot.
Playing MK as a secondary is your next best shot, but unfortunately he'll be better than your main in all matchups.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
dude shut up
lol
lol
Mister Eric
Twitch.tv/MisterbeepEric Twitter: @MisterbeepEric
I'm telling you, there's a better answer.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
And....you may end up getting aggravated and switch mains to MK.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
beepin beep some beepin beepers
Silhouette
Smash Lord
Diddy, MK, or snake are your best options.
but only if you dont want to take the time to play against TONS of MK and learn the MU like the back of your hand. Thats what ive done and its not that bad anymore.
Sudai
Stuff here
LOL! Really..LOL
I have tooonnnnssssss of MK MU experience. If the MK has ANY ROB experience, it doesn't even matter. There is -nothing- ROB can do to beat an MK of equal skill. Projectiles are hella easy to powershield and his ground AND air options outdisjoint AND outspeed ours.
Silhouette
Smash Lord
touché....
stingers
Smash Obsessed
idk it's bad but it's not awful tbqh. its 35-65 imo. i mean rob probably won't win but he does have counters to most of mks ****, it just requires mad prediction and a bit of divine intervention
★J.G WentWorth★
Smash Champion
MU = Match-Up
Zwarm
Smash Hero
Use Kirby. A lot of MK's don't have too much Kirby exp., and Kirby actually isn't too bad against MK in the first place. My roommate mains Kirby and can beat a good deal of MK's around here.
Mr.E
Smash Lord
Do you still lose to AZ with MK but win with ROB?
Darth Waffles
Smash Lord
Zing!
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