distraction
Smash Cadet
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this is not supposed to be troll topic!
i may not be the most knowledgeble player out there but as we can all see from the evolvement of the metagame within the last years jiggs is definately heading the wrong way.
i have to take hungrybox as an example here. seeing how he won on apex by looking at the winners semis/finals and grand finals made me think about jiggs metagame again. it was a sad testimonial to see M2K getting 3-0 altough he was playing an almost flawless fox with astonishing speed and he was doing the matchup so well and still getting destroyed. why? is m2k really that much inferior to hbox? i honestly dont think so.
getting trough jiggs requires so much concentration and every mistake can be punished to end up losing a stock. nothing too new i guess, but here the example from the winners finals: the last game, last stock, m2k was almost in the middle. hbox had m2k in a grab at relatively low percents. two of the DI options would have killed m2k. no DI would be a set up for a rest, and the DI backwards that should normally be a rest-escaper was a set up for 3 bairs that got him offstage and edgueguarded him. DIing out of jiggs uthrow should never be a mistake and each direction is normally the same. but the mistake was to DI to the `wrong` direction since he got almost offstage after the throw and after the first bair he was. and thats just hilarious in my opinion.
and also the top jiggs players live relatively long. even against fox its not too unusal to get hit from the usmash at around 100% and thats where also other chars would get killed. so i would say if jiggs is played the right way she doesnt live so much shorter then other charakters.
but regardless. i surely consider hungrybox to be a top professional but i dont think hes really outplaying his opponents in terms of adaption and mindgames (+ techskill) rather then abusing the hell out of jiggs gayness mixed with the right matchup play.
you can see that when kage was not too far away from sending hbox into losers. its a bad matchup for jiggs because she cannot randomly throw in some bairs or rests since ganon got some widely ranged airs that can punish those approaches pretty well. hbox seemed to be a bit in trouble since he couldnt abuse his normally very effective gameplay. at least he brought it back solidely. he sure is an amazing player. but also jumping on the backside of armadas shield and spamming utilts was just ridiculous. hoping one would hit and set up for a rest. why not spamming certain moves if they cannot be punished safely? same with the 500 bairs just thrown into the empty air. and to my mind thats just a clever gay spam instead of being truly superior...
forgive me that my main argument was based on a sole player but it was to make the following point more understandable. getting right on the dot: like wobbling is banned, like zeldas down b in low tier is banned, i would also consider banning jiggs rest. altough this isnt the main problem about jiggs it still would restrict her that much that shes not able to pull off gay and undeserved kills only because one single move was DIed incorrectly and that at low percents. this would remove a part of her comeback-game but she would still be a very good and playable charakter.
what do you think?
i may not be the most knowledgeble player out there but as we can all see from the evolvement of the metagame within the last years jiggs is definately heading the wrong way.
i have to take hungrybox as an example here. seeing how he won on apex by looking at the winners semis/finals and grand finals made me think about jiggs metagame again. it was a sad testimonial to see M2K getting 3-0 altough he was playing an almost flawless fox with astonishing speed and he was doing the matchup so well and still getting destroyed. why? is m2k really that much inferior to hbox? i honestly dont think so.
getting trough jiggs requires so much concentration and every mistake can be punished to end up losing a stock. nothing too new i guess, but here the example from the winners finals: the last game, last stock, m2k was almost in the middle. hbox had m2k in a grab at relatively low percents. two of the DI options would have killed m2k. no DI would be a set up for a rest, and the DI backwards that should normally be a rest-escaper was a set up for 3 bairs that got him offstage and edgueguarded him. DIing out of jiggs uthrow should never be a mistake and each direction is normally the same. but the mistake was to DI to the `wrong` direction since he got almost offstage after the throw and after the first bair he was. and thats just hilarious in my opinion.
and also the top jiggs players live relatively long. even against fox its not too unusal to get hit from the usmash at around 100% and thats where also other chars would get killed. so i would say if jiggs is played the right way she doesnt live so much shorter then other charakters.
but regardless. i surely consider hungrybox to be a top professional but i dont think hes really outplaying his opponents in terms of adaption and mindgames (+ techskill) rather then abusing the hell out of jiggs gayness mixed with the right matchup play.
you can see that when kage was not too far away from sending hbox into losers. its a bad matchup for jiggs because she cannot randomly throw in some bairs or rests since ganon got some widely ranged airs that can punish those approaches pretty well. hbox seemed to be a bit in trouble since he couldnt abuse his normally very effective gameplay. at least he brought it back solidely. he sure is an amazing player. but also jumping on the backside of armadas shield and spamming utilts was just ridiculous. hoping one would hit and set up for a rest. why not spamming certain moves if they cannot be punished safely? same with the 500 bairs just thrown into the empty air. and to my mind thats just a clever gay spam instead of being truly superior...
forgive me that my main argument was based on a sole player but it was to make the following point more understandable. getting right on the dot: like wobbling is banned, like zeldas down b in low tier is banned, i would also consider banning jiggs rest. altough this isnt the main problem about jiggs it still would restrict her that much that shes not able to pull off gay and undeserved kills only because one single move was DIed incorrectly and that at low percents. this would remove a part of her comeback-game but she would still be a very good and playable charakter.
what do you think?
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