Rate Their Chances - Smash Ultimate Edition! Day 672: Five Most Likely First and Third Parties for Smash 6, and Final Goodbyes

[GoodGrief741]

Calcs

Concept: Team Fortress 2 rep
5.15% Chance - 60.44% Want
The winners of predictions were DanganZilla5 and BowserKing with a precise 5.00%

John Marston
2.30% Chance - 33.57% Want
The winner of predictions was SharkLord with a precise 2.00%
John's day is one of the days with the least participation (for one with the same amount of ratings, you'd have to go back to Nippon Ichi rep all the way back in the pre-Min Min days).

Spoiler: ye with extra nomes

3BitSaurus 5
Artix 15
Awakining 5
Blankiturayman 30
BowserKing 5
Dan Quixote 10
DanganZilla5 5
DaUsername 107
Delzethin 5
DrifloonEmpire 5
GoodGrief741 83
Inue Houji 29
Lyncario 25
Mr. MR 75
Nemuresu 10
Ninjaed 20
Perkilator 5
Ridrool64 15
SharkLord 5
SKX31 5
Troykv 15
Wunderwaft 5
zferolie 5

 

[Sari]

Concept: 4X Strategy rep

Chance: 0.1%
The only 4X game series I can see happening in Smash is the Civilization series. It's very popular and even has a few games such as Civ 6 on Nintendo systems. Main thing holding this back would be incorporating the real life leaders into the game which I don't see Smash doing. Having characters like Ghandi or even some of the more ancient historical figures feels like an area that Smash wouldn't want to go near. Yeah I know Codename S.T.E.A.M. had their own wacky versions of characters like Lincoln, but I feel like portraying the historically accurate versions of the historical figures in a more prominent game like Smash is a completely different story. Of course they could just not have any historical characters and have a stage composing of just landmarks and generic soldiers, but I feel like that would be lame and Nintendo/Sakurai wouldn't even bother with that. There's also the Total War series but since it's owned by Sega, I just don't see them going for that when there are a ton of more popular picks from the company.

Want: Abstain
I could never really bother getting into the Civ series (or any other 4X series for that matter). I much prefer RTS games like Age of Empires and Stronghold. While I wouldn't really mind having some historical figures present (as long as they keep it relatively tame), I'm going to abstain because I'm not too familiar with that many 4X titles.

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Crazy Dave chance prediction: 2.00%

Nominations:
Concept: Curly as Quote's alt/echo x5
Trevor Philips x5

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's been almost 24 hours since the last rating which was over 12 hours after the one before that, I think the day should end

 

[Flyboy]

4X Strategy Rep
Chance/Want: Abstain

I hate to do this because I always try to research and rate every single concept fairly, but something like this is way too broad for my tastes. I think Civ and the rest are super important to gaming and very popular for sure but it's hard to really rate it.

Nominations: Beatrice (Umineko) x5

 

[chocolatejr9]

Cutie Gwen you did it again...

 

[DaUsername]

Abstaining from Four X.
Dave prediction: 2%
Noms: Ryu Hayabusa x5

 

[Sari]

Day over.

Rate Crazy Dave from Plants vs. Zombies.

Predict Velvet Crowe from the Tales series.

Today is the last day to affect the Top 7 before they are locked into the schedule, so use your noms wisely.

Megadoomer

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Some songs to get into the zombie fighting mood:

Spoiler: Plants vs Zombies Music

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Abstaining on Crazy Dave.

Velvet chance prediction: 10.01%

Nominations:
Trevor Philips x5

 

[Cutie Gwen]

My old job at the gardening center

Chance: 1% While the series seems to have peaked a long time ago, the franchise is still very much alive and well, having even expanded to an FPS spinoff that had a new addition get highlighted in the most recent Direct. The IP's owned by EA though and that puts some doubt on my mind, not because "Nintendo would never work with EA because they are morally superior" or other fake nonsense, but if I were in charge, I'd try going for Commander Shephard as Mass Effect is significantly more beloved among the masses last I checked. This character would also need a surprisingly large amount of models so I can see Nintendo saying no for budgetary reasons.

Want: 30% Truth be told I haven't touched this in a decade so I needed a quick look at the game and honestly, I can kinda see this work as I hadn't realized there was a character to pull from. I've only seen 1 potential moveset and while it didn't seem very fun, but the tower defence game the franchise started as did give me a lot of Jack-O vibes and she was pretty damn fun in Xrd, meaning this concept can and has worked so you know what, I'm actually curious to see how this'd work

Zagreus x5
Beatrice x5

 

[Perkilator]

Because I'm CRAAAAZY!!

Chanse: 0%
May-bee in a wurld bifor E-AY, hour gaym cud have a feezabul chance. Butt sad-lee, U guys know E-AY wood try to pull sum nastee tricks to leech off of Smash's suck-sess no matter witch eye-pee gets in.

Want: 100%
Witch is a shame, because Plantz vs. Zombies is won of my favorit gamez evur. I've ben rating Dave for munths, and I made a moveset of how he cood werk during that tyme. Basikly, he makes the most sens az a PvZ rep.

Sincerely, Percolator (not the Zombies)

Velvet (cake?): 10%

Noms:
[Rerate] Crash Bandicoot x5

 

[DaUsername]

Abstaining from Wacky Dan.
VC prediction: 15%
Noms: Ryu Hayabusa x5

 

[TheThingamajigRayman]

HE'S CRAAAAAAAZZY!

Chance: 4%:
He's only that high since, hey, he just got a game on the Switch, right? And plus, PvZ BFN was in the latest Direct, so that helps him kinda? Okay, moving on, I feel like the main thing in his way is EA. EA has never been represented in Smash before, and I don't really see that changing anytime soon. Although, I'd say he's the most likely EA rep (Although I'm not very familiar with EA games besides Mass Effect, PvZ. And FIFA, but that's impossible.) besides maybe the Mass Effect guy, but, Dave's the most likely to me. Okay, so anyway, Dave's a lock.

Want: 100%
For sure. He's my most wanted EA rep. I really like the PvZ games. And like many others, I have nostalgia for it. But even after revisiting the games, still pretty good games, and the Garden Warfare games are pretty good as well! He would also make the best PvZ rep, since he can use multiple plants instead of just a single plant as a fighter. Besides that though, Dave would have a pretty cool moveset. He would use plants for his moveset, like Peashooter. I reaaaaaally want the crazy guy. Would be super hype for me. Oh, and the Plants vs. Zombies games soundtracks are bangers, so having PvZ songs in the game would be legendary.

Noms: Sackboy x10

 

[SharkLord]

Welp, as owner of the Crazy Dave thread, I think it's my responsibility to post a writeup here.

Chance - 30%. Plants vs Zombies is a decently big game, and is still active to this day. Both the mainline games and the Garden Warfare spinoffs are getting new installments. Sure it's owned by EA and all, but they and Nintendo are actually doing a collaborative effort to release some ports on the Switch, which you can read about here.
7 EA Games Are Coming to Nintendo Switch This Year - IGN
It's a bit recent, yeah, but Nintendo and EA have clearly had some deals going on. Something regarding Smash is possible. And don't even start with the "But greedy EA!" Nintendo's already working with them for ports, a character in Smash isn't out of the question. Nintendo's not a squeaky-clean paragon of virtue, and they will use the IPs that they think will make them money. End of story.

I will admit that PvZ doesn't have a strong argument in it's favor beyond "Decently big" and "Appeals to the mobile market," but it's certainly not an impossibility or anything. Just something to keep in the back of your mind. Though, I am deducting ten points off his score due to the possibility of Peashooter or Sunflower instead. Dave's not the clear-cut mascot here.

That leads us to the question, why Dave over the plants? Well, I just think he'd be a more comprehensive representation of the game's mechanics. Peashooter would have to be about the peas specifically, and while Sunflower can act as a summoner, Crazy Dave can also bring in various tools and junk like the Rake and the Lawnmowers. Plus, he's the most prominent character who would actually work in Smash; The only one above him is quite literally you (Or me, if I'm the one playing the game), and that would just be really weird in a fighting game. Besides, we already have Miis. So yeah, either the most prominent plants or the most prominent character.

Want - 80%. I'd rate him higher, but I've unfortunately not been playing PvZ as much as I'd like nowadays (No thanks to my piece of junk iPhone six that immediately goes from 90% to nothing after running the bloody game for just a minute, definitely getting that replaced soon). Still, PvZ was great fun back in the day, and all the different plants could create a truly crazy moveset. He could either be a straightforward summoner, or we could go the extra mile and have him place the plants on the stage to act as towers. I'm interested in how it would work.

Anyways, here's a high-quality remix for your ears.

Noms: Ryza x15
Prediction: Velvet - 7.89%

 

[BowserKing]

Crazy Dave

Chance: 5 to 10%. The 5 to 10 percent is due to a new Plants vs Zombies game being on the switch. Plants vs Zombies has also been on the Nintendo DS. I know this because I have that game. With that said, Crazy Dave’s chance is quite low, but still has some chance to show up in a spirit event or Mii Costume.

Want: 85%. With that said, as a Plants vs Zombies fan, I approve of the idea of Crazy Dave being playable. He would be fun to play as, and I can see him partner with Piranha Plant and Ivysaur against the Zombie, among others. Overall, he would be a great choice for a Smash Bros rep.

Noms:: 5 for Garchomp and 5 for Stage: Bowser’s Castle

 

[DanganZilla5]

Piranha Plant vs Minecraft Zombie

Chance: 10%

Plants vs Zombies made a big splash when it came out and is perhaps the most iconic tower defense game, period. The series is still going to this day and in fact, there is another game that is coming to the Switch soon, plus the original game was on DS (Which is the version that I experienced and it actually runs surprisingly good) so there is incentive for Nintendo to pick this.

I give credit to Perkilator (And any others who may have nominated for this too) as Crazy Dave is the best character to represent the series. Not only he is recognizable and fits the quirky atmosphere of the game, but it would allow the Smash team to use a variety of plants which fits the gameplay the best. You could have Crazy Dave plant in strategic ways and he would be able to use a variety of plants. Heck if they wanted to go the extra mile, they could even add the plants that are exclusive to stages with water on them. There are a variety of plants like sunflower which can enable Crazy Dave to plant more things, peashooters as the main type of attack with upgrades you can give them, wallnuts for defense, cherries and doomshrooms for explosions, snow pea for freezing enemies, cabbage-pults and melon-pults for heavier attacks, starfruit for spread shots, etc.. And that's not even going into the plants in the sequel and spinoffs so there is plenty to work with.

Now, would Nintendo choose PvZ? Well I do have some doubt. While the series is still going, it is long passed its peak and my biggest gripe is with EA. Not because they are *******, I disproved that many times. But because for a long time EA did not seem interested in the Switch. Sure they have games on there now but it's just that it took them a long time compared to other publishers to support the Switch and while this is just speculation, there were rumors that EA was mad at Nintendo because they wanted the Wii U's netcode to run through Origin but Nintendo refused and the fact that they have complained about the sales of some ports to the Switch not doing as good as they wanted. People think that Activision is bad, but I think EA is 10x worse and Nintendo is much more closer to other western companies so I don't think Nintendo is interested in getting a character from EA. Again, I don't think a company being toxic deconfirms them, after all Konami is involved in this game. But EA just seems to be on a whole nother level of greed and while we know that Nintendo is very good at negotiating with notoriously stingy Square Enix it's tough to see how smoothly things would go with EA. I am skeptical, but to be fair there is nothing that says it can't happen.

Want: 80%

Putting aside my grievances with EA, Plants vs Zombies is a fantastic game. I have many memories with the game and it was my introduction to tower defense games. It is loaded with charm and great music (There's A Zombie on Your Lawn needs to be included in the song list). Crazy Dave would be funny and again he is the best way to represent the game since the person whose home you are defending is never actually seen (to my knowledge). Overall, this would be a great addition and I would be ecstatic.

Prediction: Velvet Crowe - 7%

Noms: Bill Rizer x15 (Using extra noms)

 

[Jomosensual]

Crazy Dave

Chance 10 - While I don't feel like we'll be seeing EA in Smash, I don't think this is impossible. If Plants vs. Zombies isnt iconic then it's damn close. It and EA have some history together but as far as I know nothing super special. PvZ is also on the switch so it's not a case of by why here either. With 2 spots to go I just struggle to see a really good path for it here though. Feels like Dave's only real competition would be Peashooter who may not even have enough for a full Smash moveset.

Want 50 - Wouldn't hate it. PvZ is pretty fun. I have good memories of playing it with my younger cousins. It's iconic enough where I'd be dumb to argue that it has no place in the game. Just really matters how someone like Crazy Dave is executed in the game.

Predictions
Velvet - 7.53

Noms:
Bioshock Protagonist x10

 

[GoodGrief741]

Spoiler: Nominations post-Concept: A 4X strategy rep pre-Crazy Dave

Concept: A 3rd party company gets more than one fighter in the same pass x400
Agent 47 x395
Excitebiker x385
Worms x355
Zagreus x325
Concept: Curly as Quote's alt/Echo x315
Concept: Far Cry rep x309

300 - 251

Billy & Jimmy Lee x275
Mike Haggar x265
Concept: Disgaea rep x265

250 - 201

Rallen (Spectrobes) x250
[Rerate] Concept: League of Legends rep x232
Concept: Miles Edgeworth as Phoenix Wright's Alt/Echo x225
Tetra x225
Peppino (Pizza Tower) x217

200 - 151

[Rerate] Carmen Sandiego x200
Concept: Skullgirls rep x199
Estelle Bright x185
Kaede Akamatsu x170
Trevor Philips x160
Beatrice (Umineko) x160
Senator Armstrong x155
Grunty (Banjo-Kazooie) x155
Concept: From Software rep x155
Ryza (Atelier) x155

150 - 101

Boss: Rayquaza x145
Riptor x145
Stage: Bowser's Castle x137
Mii Costume: Monika x135
Concept: A BioShock protagonist x131
Boss: Ender Dragon x123
Mii Costume: Alex Kidd x118
D.Va x115
Sackboy x115
Mii Costume: 2B x110
Fulgore x107

100 - 51

Stage: Tetris x100
[Rerate] Louie x100
Echo (Bowser) x95
Giygas x90
Legends Trainer x90
Junpei (Zero Escape) x81
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
[Rerate] Concept: New Zelda character x80
[Rerate] Officer Howard x80
Concept: More ATs as one new item x75
Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x75
Concept: Rocket League rep x75
Meat Boy x75
Echo (Olimar) x66
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x65
Ghirahim x60
[Rerate] Zhao Yun x60
Gooigi x55
Vi (Bug Fables) x55
Echo: Zeraora (Lucario) x55
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x55
Magolor x55
Jin Sakai x55
Bill Rizer x55

50 - 25

Garchomp x50
Demi-Fiend x45
Gunvolt x45
[Rerate] Agumon x40
Mii Costume: Zagreus x40
[Rerate] Crash Bandicoot x35
Corvo Attano x35
Filia (Skullgirls) x31
[Rerate] Tails x30
Concept: Large and Normal Final Destination made into separate stages x25

Under 25

Regigigas x20
[Rerate] Metal Sonic x20
Concept: Danganronpa protagonist x20
Yarn Yoshi x15
[Rerate] Shovel Knight x15
Tetris x10
Slash Kamei (Snowboard Kids) x10
[Rerate] Yuri Lowell x10
Jesse (Control) x10
Infernape x10
[Rerate] Gex x10
[Rerate] Concept: Echo Fighters Pass x10
[Rerate] Q*Bert x10
[Rerate] Brian x7
Concept: Rocket League content x5
[Rerate] Thrall x5
[Rerate] Lara Croft x5
Stage: Tetris 99 x5
Concept: Raizing shmup rep x5
Donbe and Hikari x5
Soma Cruz x5
Concept: KOS-MOS with T-elos alt x5
[Rerate] Master Hand x5
Pyramid Head x5
[Rerate] Elma x5
Octoling x5
[Rerate] Ryu Hayabusa x5
Firebrand x1

Beatrice, Ryza, and From Software rep pass 150 noms.

Bill Rizer shoots past 50 noms.

Ryu Hayabusa is back on the list with 5 noms.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Abstain. I know nothing about PvZ.

Nominations: Concept: Disgaea rep x5

 

[Louie G.]

CRAZY DAVE

CHANCE - 1%
Let's get the positive out of the way first, Plants vs Zombies is actually a pretty significant franchise. It was big back it first debuted and it's remained relevant to this day, with the Garden Warfare games. It's a rock solid tower defense game, which is a genre that Smash is currently lacking, and has a strong cult (?) following. That being said, I don't know if Crazy Dave is who we would end up getting out of it. I think I'd probably agree with those who suggested that he's the most efficient way to represent the series core mechanics, likely being somewhat of a heavy stage control oriented summoner, although I can't help but feel like the enhanced roles of the Plants and Zombies themselves in Garden Warfare make this a lot less concrete. In that game these characters run around, shoot, and (I think) can plant their comrades themselves. With this in mind, I feel like we'd be a lot more likely to see something more iconic of the series like a Peashooter.

Also, I can't imagine this series is very big in Japan. I could be wrong, but I've never heard of any significant overseas following and it tends to be pretty widely known when a series does make it big over there. An EA property that is big in Japan is Apex Legends... I don't think they're likely to get a character either, but I think that it would be more seriously discussed than Plants vs Zombies.

WANT - 50%
I'm kinda torn on this one, because I don't really think PVZ is the kind of game that should be in Smash (I dunno why, there's just a disconnect for me there) but I'm sure I would come to enjoy it if it did pan out that way. Because I grew up playing a lot of PopCap computer games back before I even had video game consoles. Plants vs Zombies was on the later end of PopCap's arsenal on PC, compared to say Bejeweled or Bookworm or Zuma, but I have a soft spot for PopCap in general and I had a lot of fun with PVZ when it came out. So it would be nice to see that represented in Smash in some fashion, although I dunno if I'd want Crazy Dave over one of the plants themselves. I think the same general idea could be accomplished either way and I just don't find his design that appealing.

Velvet - 8.05%

NOMINATIONS:
All noms go toward Billy & Jimmy

 

[fogbadge]

abstain, know nothing about this game series. could not tell you if the character is a plant or a zombie. nom grunty x5

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

THERE'S A ZOMBIE ON YOUR LAWN!

Chance: 5%

Not really much i can say here. I think most people are aware of Plants VS Zombies, probably one of the most popular Tower Defense games of all time and an example of a small game that became a big success overnight, it got a sequel 3 years later, with an upcoming 3rd game, plus a spin-off franchise: Garden Warfare.

Outside of the token "foreign franchise not really that popular or well known in Japan" there's EA, which is less "EA is evil" issue (i mean Nintendo has collaborated with Konami) and more of if EA would be really interested in a PVZ fighter in Smash, and Crazy Dave of all choices. Yes EA would Definitely would choose to collab with Nintendo should they get the chance to talk for a potential Smash DLC choice, but i don't see this character or franchise being at the top of their choices. Im not saying a FIFA rep is more likely, but with a library of games as large as EA's i would think they will likely prefer someone like an Apex Legends character, or even a Sim.

Honestly this idea feels like it's trying too hard to emulate a "Sakurai choice". I think this is a franchise that could be treated like MH, where the representation is in everything but a fighter (Peashooter AT, Zombie Mook enemies in an Adventure Mode, Dave a shopkeeper, etc)

Want: 3%

Outside of curiosity, no thanks. I loved the original PVZ, it is the only mobile game that i truly could enjoy, and i remember playing it on a PC when it was brand new when i was a child, but Crazy Dave is someone im not intersted to play as, as unique as it sounds.

I like the idea of a Summon Character like Yugi from Jump Super Stars. It gives representation to many characters via minor cameos and gives a lot visual flair and spectacle, and Crazy Dave could pull it off, but i would rather have a Pokémon Trainer use this idea first.

Noms:
Gunvolt X5

 

[BlueEyedGrimmbat]

Abstain. I have a lot of memories with PvZ, but I don't know enough to rate him.

Noms: Corvo Attano x5

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Crazy Dave

1% Chance

Honestly, I was surprised that I considered giving Crazy Dave this high of a score. Plants vs Zombies, while not something you would instinctively associate with Nintendo, does have enough history with Nintendo systems and has been going on long enough that it can be something to consider. But I just do not see this happening for a few reasons. First off, there is very little demand for a Plants vs Zombies character. It feels to me like such a left field choice. While Plants vs Zombies is far from dead, heck Battle for the Neighborhood got ported to the switch this month, I think its safe to say it is not at the height it was when the first game came out on IOS and Android.

That being said, Crazy Dave would odds are end up the choice. It is hard to rep with the plants since, well, they do not move. Dave is the best choice for a recognizable character, even if I am not confident in this at all.

0% Want

Yeah, Plants vs Zombies is fine. Yeah, this character could in theory have a fun moveset. But I just feel like this is something that just…does not interest me. I mean, I guess PvZ is a pretty iconic mobile game alongside Angry Birds, but at the same time that does not mean I want to have it in Smash. This is kind of like repping Flash but on a larger scale. I just do not see the need for a mobile rep in Smash. Overall, just something I am not that interested in.

On an off topic tangent, there is one “mobile” rep I could see happening, but that’s a story for another time…

Nominating Rean Schwarzer x 10, might need some help doing this one lol.

 

[Pillow]

Crazy Dave

Chance - 1%
Y'know, PvZ is kind of weird. It's actually pretty well-known, and still somewhat relevant. But somehow it's got more of a Henry Stickman Vibe than a Steve vibe. It just doesn't seem like the type of game that would even be referenced in Smash. Basically, it's not anime enough for Smash.

Want - 55%
Sure, yeah. I love TD's and PvZ is cute and probably still the most notable TD to date. The moveset potential is definitely there.

Noms:
xMax FromSoft

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

Bonkers Bob
Chance: 0.1%
PvZ is pretty iconic and the latest Direct shows it's still relevant and present on Nintendo systems with Garden Warfare 3. Although, that game does seem like it's the first PvZ game on a Nintendo platform since the DS port of the original game. Timing might be an issue here. And frankly, PvZ would not be guaranteed to be chosen in case of a EA rep. Something about the series being past its prime, not being popular in Japan and Apex being a bigger deal in general. I'm not even sure if Dave himself would be chosen to rep PvZ, don't know how much presence he has beyond the first game. Main reason he's this low though is because I'm not expecting a EA character in general. They are certainly more supportive of the Switch than somebody like Rockstar but I'm still not sure if it's a healthy relationship. Some of their Switch releases, atleast in the sports department, are notoriously bad. I haven't heard the consensus on their other games but regardless, I don't think they are as close to Nintendo as Ubisoft, Bethesda or Activision. Considering that we also have only two characters left, that is basically a death sentence for Dave.

Want: 0%
I can't speak for the whole series but the original PvZ was pretty fun. I may play it again as long as EA's influence hasn't rooted too deeply into the game. Yet, it's one of those games I just don't need to have in Smash, atleast not with a character and stage and all. Can't really say I care for for Dave himself either. The two spots left is really just the main issue here cause I wouldn't take Dave over a character like Rayman in any timeline.

Velvet: 8.73%
Skullgirls rep x10

 

[Commander_Alph]

It is hard to rep with the plants since, well, they do not move.

The PvZ Shooter game says otherwise and heck, they can even plant... plant themselves if they're going with a turret/tower defense gimmick.

 

[Lionfranky]

The one dude who drove the van...

Chance: 5%

From EA, he is one of most likely rep, but that's not saying much. There is Apex Legend rep which is apparently pretty popular there, but that popularity kinda came too late for FP2 consideration. Other than Japanese factor (which I still think is overrated), Plant vs Zombie has surprisingly many things going for it. It's still popular and relevant although it has lost steam. The series set foot on Nintendo platform. Its quirky style would fit Smash.... But, I don't think EA is that friendly with Nintendo. At least, that's what I see nowaday. They aren't certainly on level of Ubisoft, Activision-Blizzard, Microsoft or Bethesda which is now a part of MS). Even Ubisoft is barely making scrap in Smash. And there would be another technical problem... will it be Steve 2.0 in term of development for Sakurai and his team? Will they have to reprogram every stage because Dave would most likely bring planting each plant on stage. If this would cause headache, they would most likely just go for plants themselves. Garden Warfare showed that they can walk on their roots.

Want: 85%

I think he would be fun to play. We don't have tower defense rep, and he would be the best character to represent the entire genre. I have fond memory of playing up to the second game. They are pretty gems despite microstraction. I think he could be a pretty interesting character, but implementation will be hard. If planting mechanic will be implemented, he can be pretty annoying to fight against. But, we already have similar characters already, so he wouldn't be out of reach.

Nom: 3rd party company gets more than one fighter in the same pass x 10

 

[GoodGrief741]

Used car salesman

Chance: 1%
I think EA is certainly in the cards for a Smash characters. As far as Western companies go they're one of the biggest. But nobody thinks of PvZ as EA's most iconic or defining franchise. Even if their biggest, less character focused franchises like The Sims and FIFA get skipped, there's still very low odds that PvZ gets priority over the likes of Mass Effect or Dead Space or, more recently, Titanfall/Apex Legends. PvZ feels kinda like an afterthought for EA nowadays and it's not like Nintendo has any incentive to pick it over EA's bigger franchises (no fan demand, about the same Nintendo connection as any other).

Even within PvZ, while Crazy Dave is the ideal way to rep its tower defense origins, the series has eventually pivoted to giving the plants themselves more of an identity with expanded powersets, while leaving Dave by the wayside. So we might just get a plant instead. It's not ideal to have intra-company competition when you're already so low in the pecking order.

Want: 0%
Like many others, I too enjoyed PvZ when it first came out long ago. And like many others, that didn't translate into a connection or affection with the series and its characters. I really just don't care. And it's a mobile game, which I'd rather not start adding reps for.

Noms: Agent 47 x5
Todd Mother****ing Snap x5 (oh yeah I'm doing this)
Velvet prediction: 16.44%

 

[Commander_Alph]

Chances: 20%

You know, it's kinda odd of us to just gloss over EA as a potential candidate for a new company to be represented and there's a chance that it will backfired immediately. Anyway, PvZ, it's a simple tower defense game that got hugely popular back in the day akin to Minecraft but unlike Minecraft it doesn't gain their momentum back in recent years and just doing it's own thing in the background. Scalling PvZ to other EA series like the games that's mentioned before by others PvZ stick out the most as people grew up with the game with the simple yet complicated gameplay that make the series still stick into the back of everyone's mind kinda like Banjo-Kazooie but less inactive. Other than that the only EA series on top of my head that could somehow compete with PvZ is The Sims series. Generally saying tho I'm not expecting EA to pull a Nintendo and just push a character for the sake of free advertisement for their newest IP (like Apex Legends) no matter how gluttony they're.


If I were to choose who's going to be the representation of the series my mind always goes to Crazy Dave as usual, while the Peashooter as the series mascot seems to be the go to fighter pick simply because he is the face of the series it's not going to win anytime against the power of anime protagonist and it's as simple as picking Minecraft Steve over Creeper, Hero over Slime or Danganronpa Protag over Monokuma since series gameplay is more important in a DLC as shown many times by now. There's an argument that I could agree that Peashooter themselves could actually walk and even plant a plant by themselves on a pot which is probably going to be the PvZ character's main gimmick but it's sounds pretty meta in all honesty and considering this ability first appeared in the series' spin-off title which is a major identity crisis. Crazy Dave on the other hand have been a prominent character in the series as he himself provided these plant into becoming a sentient killing machine, while you don't actually play as him and instead it's you who do the task while he's just your guide, but it has been shown that he can do this by himself from this official Trailer for the 2nd game:

I don't want to rule out any representation but putting mobile game on the level as flash game and is therefore not needed is more insulting than someone calling my grandma an old hag, the argument is more or less because it's a "FrEe" game rather than one being intended to sell as a business and the other one is kinda just a passion project or a hobby and is no way intended to be capitalized.. yet.

Other than that the argument against them is pretty much the same as all others point out so I'll end this now.




Want: 12%

PvZ is my childhood game but since been drifting away from it up until now, it's not really on my MW list but I'm still going to feel euphoric if Crazy Dave gets in because nostalgia just like Minecraft. Also, I just feel like whenever I'm thinking about PvZ I always have a sense Déjà vu which is really annoying.

Noms: Disgaea rep x10
Prediction: Velv Crow 19,0%

 

[Flyboy]

Crazy Dave
Chance: 1%
So, Plants vs. Zombies is surprisingly long-lasting. I didn't know that until Garden Warfare 2, but it's crazy that it's become a somewhat successful long-running series past the original game. Recognizable characters, several games, name value, even a new game hitting Switch. It's definitely not a nothing-IP. But is it really a priority for Nintendo or for EA? That is something I'm not really sure about. Several other EA series' seem much bigger in comparison, such as The Sims, and I just...don't see Nintendo working with EA at all even for something like Apex Legends or Mass Effect. I don't have any hard science for this, it's just a gut feeling. It's not like EA hasn't supported Nintendo or the Switch, but it's just a storm of a company that doesn't seem super tied to Nintendo, a series that doesn't seem to be in the cards, and a rep that just doesn't really feel like they'll get on in.

Want: 1%
I'm fond of the original game as I have nice memories of a friend in college showing it to me and watching them play it a bunch. It's a charming little game, and I hear the Garden Warfare games are shockingly good! But I have to admit, uh, I didn't even know who Crazy Dave was. I didn't recognize the character at all, because the most I know about are, well, the plants and the zombies. But I understand why you'd consider him - a way to unify both sides of the plants and zombies and represent various aspects of the series and the tower defense origins. I get that. But as fond as I am of the IP, I'm really not that interested in seeing it in Smash. It would bring some fun strategy with a cool moveset and the aesthetic is definitely unique and it's not like it's "undeserving" but with two spots left it's not a series I really care to see that much and as much as I like oddball picks this one isn't oddball enough for me on that front.

Nominations: Beatrice (Umineko) x10

 

[GoodGrief741]

Scalling PvZ to other EA series like the games that's mentioned before by others PvZ stick out the most as people grew up with the game with the simple yet complicated gameplay that make the series still stick into the back of everyone's mind kinda like Banjo-Kazooie but less inactive. Other than that the only EA series on top of my head that could somehow compete with PvZ is The Sims series.

If Plants vs. Zombies and The Sims are the only simple, accessible, and wildly successful EA franchises you can think of then you definitely don't know a lot about EA.

 

[ShotoStar]

Crazy Dave (Plants vs. Zombies):

Chance: 1%

Not much of anything is going for PvZ getting a playable character, let alone any representation for that matter since it's owned by probably one of the worst gaming companies in EA and has long since passed it's peak but. On the other hand at one point in time it was insanely beloved and was a phenomenon in the early-mid 2010s, It was insanely popular and it's still probably one of EAs most beloved franchises despite everything but I just can't see them going for Crazy Dave over someone like Commander Shepard (Mass Effect) due to that just eclipsing PvZ in terms of EA franchises and it being one of the defining series of EA from almost every angle.

I really don't think it's gonna happen by any means but it'd be nice to get a spirit event or something.

Want: 20%

Despite not thinking Crazy Dave has a good chance by any means nor does PvZ content have a good chance of appearing at all uh... A part of me would still love to see some PvZ content, even a playable character. The original PvZ was a childhood defining game of mine and one I look back on incredibly fondly, It has a special place in my heart due to memories and connections surrounding it so I'd love to see some PvZ content just.... not Crazy Dave as a playable character.

Crazy Dave mii costume? PvZ Spirit Event? I'd so be down for something like that but I have no interest in a PvZ character by any means and I think Crazy Dave would kind of be a disappointing inclusion for one of the final two we have but. There could be worse, I suppose. I just don't vibe with it very much despite having fond memories of PvZ.

Nominations: Beatrice (Umineko) x5

 

[Commander_Alph]

If Plants vs. Zombies and The Sims are the only simple, accessible, and wildly successful EA franchises you can think of then you definitely don't know a lot about EA.

So, does it matter much? How about you do that instead.

 

[SharkLord]

So, does it matter much? How about you do that instead.

I mean, it's a debate thread. I agree that PvZ could still stand a chance against the rest of EA's catalogue, but if you just play off a point with "Does it matter much?" it's not gonna do wonders for your credibility.

Granted, the other guy could've at least explained what EA's other stuff was in their post, though on the other hand that stuff had been mentioned quite a bit in other people's ratings, so...

 

[Commander_Alph]

I mean, it's a debate thread. I agree that PvZ could still stand a chance against the rest of EA's catalogue, but if you just play off a point with "Does it matter much?" it's not gonna do wonders for your credibility.

Granted, the other guy could've at least explained what EA's other stuff was in their post, though on the other hand that stuff had been mentioned quite a bit in other people's ratings, so...

Well, considering he just vaguely says "you don't know EA do you?" Seems really insulting, I mentioned only The Sims because all other series already been mentioned by someone before so I don't want to repeat myself and because I myself used to play The Sims and pretty much is accessable for various demographic imo, other than that what else, Zuma? I pretty much just pick the casual game since that's universally accepted.

 

[GoodGrief741]

So, does it matter much? How about you do that instead.

OK then

FIFA
Madden
Battlefield
Battlefront (and other Star Wars games)
Apex Legends
Medal of Honor
Need for Speed

Barring the works of BioWare, making casual and uber-mainstream games is EA's modus operandi. That's hardly a unique quality that would make PvZ stand out amongst their library.

 

[Commander_Alph]

OK then

FIFA
Madden
Battlefield
Battlefront (and other Star Wars games)
Apex Legends
Medal of Honor
Need for Speed

Barring the works of BioWare, making casual and uber-mainstream games is EA's modus operandi. That's hardly a unique quality that would make PvZ stand out amongst their library.

I'm more inclined that FIFA, Madden and the racing games only appeal to a specific kind of people, same goes with the shooter games since idk if you can call them casual, casual to the demographic that they pander? Yes but, on a larger scale? It's a bit small not to mentioned that PvZ try to expand their genre moreso than sticking with just one like the games that you mentioned.

Also, we know that we can just cross out FIFA, Madden and Battlefront considering they don't have a real chance as they uses other properties and real life person, that's why I tried to avoid mentioning them because I thought we already knew that but guess I'm wrong. Battlefield and Medal of Honor doesn't really have any redeeming qualities about outside of "it's a Call of Duty-esque game from the outside" and I don't really hold my hopes up for Apex Legends either other than having a Mii Costume. PvZ and The Sims has their own charm to it which makes them standout from EA's other games. I know that EA's schtick is their constant pandering to the casual market so that's why I consider PvZ and The Sims since they are pretty much a casual game down to the bone.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I'm more inclined that FIFA, Madden and the racing games only appeal to a specific kind of people, same goes with the shooter games since idk if you can call them casual, casual to the demographic that they pander? Yes but, on a larger scale? It's a bit small not to mentioned that PvZ try to expand their genre moreso than sticking with just one like the games that you mentioned. (Also, we know that we can just cross out FIFA, Madden and Battlefront considering they don't have a real chance as they uses other properties and real life person and they're not even subtitle with it like Kawashima, that's why I tried to avoid mentioning them because I thought we already knew that but guess I'm wrong)

In the past 25 years, Madden games have been the best selling game of the year four times. In the last 15 years, first person shooters have topped the list for 9 of them. FIFA is literally in the top 5 best selling gaming franchises, with over 300 million copies (outselling GTA); they sell at least 10 million copies per game. Madden and Need for Speed games are at over 150 mil (outselling Sonic) and Battlefield are at 130. I'm sorry but I don't understand how you could think these games aren't the mainstream when they're EA's cash cows and constantly top sales charts.

And of course the sports games and Star Wars can't be in Smash. But you still said, and I quote "Other than that the only EA series on top of my head that could somehow compete with PvZ is The Sims series." which still ignores the behemoths in the room like Battlefield and Need for Speed and even the hot new sensation Apex Legends. (Oh and by the way FIFA and Madden do have story modes starting original characters)

 

[SharkLord]

(Oh and by the way FIFA and Madden do have story modes starting original characters)

I don't have any context but the idea of making OCs in a game about real life people just sounds really funny, even if it's probably just player-made characters.

 

[Commander_Alph]

In the past 25 years, Madden games have been the best selling game of the year four times. In the last 15 years, first person shooters have topped the list for 9 of them. FIFA is literally in the top 5 best selling gaming franchises, with over 300 million copies (outselling GTA); they sell at least 10 million copies per game. Madden and Need for Speed games are at over 150 mil (outselling Sonic) and Battlefield are at 130. I'm sorry but I don't understand how you could think these games aren't the mainstream when they're EA's cash cows and constantly top sales charts.

And of course the sports games and Star Wars can't be in Smash. But you still said, and I quote "Other than that the only EA series on top of my head that could somehow compete with PvZ is The Sims series." which still ignores the behemoths in the room like Battlefield and Need for Speed and even the hot new sensation Apex Legends. (Oh and by the way FIFA and Madden do have story modes starting original characters)

Fair enough, but I feel like The Sims and PvZ is a good first representation and impression for a EA with how infamous they're for milking it dry (also just because they have OC's in the game doesn't mean they get a pass as what makes FIFA and Madden sold really well is th gameplay and the well known player that you can control like, I dunno Lionel Messi? I mean that's the reason why my sibling play it and he is a huge fan of sports) as funny as it may be.

 

[Inue Houji]

Crazy Dave
Abstaining. Played it barely back when it was popular, and it was okay, but I don't really care about it.

Predictions
Velvet Crowe: 2.6%

Nominations
Rallen x5