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Yesterday was the first time someone just chose to give their noms to me. Thanks for that AugustusB
! (At least, I'm hoping that's what they meant by "dealer's choice")
Concept: A non-white/Asian human character x235
Tidus x205
Concept: A non-videogame character gets a Mii Costume x190
Nate Adams x185
Moogle x175
[Rerate] Ezio x170
Shuichi Saihara x166
150 - 101
Alex Mason x140
[Rerate] Frisk x135
Concept: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon content x121
The Stretchers x120
Concept: Content from currently unreleased game (not Spirit Events) (as of May 17th 2020) x120
D.Va x115
Red (Angry Birds) x115
Zelda (BotW sequel) x110
Billy Hatcher x110
[Rerate] Prince of All Cosmos x110
[Rerate] Monster Hunter x105
100 - 51
Echo: Xion (Sora) x100
Sakura Shinguji x100
Klonoa x90
Concept: Shin Megami Tensei rep x90
Concept: Deltarune content x81
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
Sackboy x80
Riptor x80
Proto Man x80
Fulgore x79
Concept: More ATs as one new item x75
Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors) x75
Boss: Ender Dragon x73
The Terrarian x65
Concept: Rocket League repx65
Echo: Dark Bowser (Bowser) x62
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x55
Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x55
Mii Costume: Jill Stingray x55
Concept: Second F-Zero rep x54
50 - 25
[Rerate] Concept: Boss Rush x50
Giygas x50
Echo: Zeraora (Lucario) x50
Amiya (Arknights) x50
Hades (Kid Icarus) x50
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x45
Gooigi x45
Dr. Goomba Tower x45
Austin the Butler (Gardenscapes) x40
Stage: Bowser's Castle x40
Jason Frudnick & SOPHIA x40
Echo: Lord Fredrik (King K. Rool) x39
The Bard (Wandersong) x35
John Marston x33
Concept: Returning stages x31
Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is half Nintendo and half third party x30
Urbosa x30
[Rerate] Monokuma x30
Jin Sakai x30
Concept: Assist Trophies added in updates x27
Rival Pokémon Trainer x25
Concept: Dark Souls rep x25
Magolor x25
[Rerate] Maxwell x25
Mii Costume: Alex Kidd x25
Under 25
Boss: Rayquaza x24
Echo (Olimar) x21
Yoshimitsu x20
Black Shadow x20
Neptune (Hyperdimension Neptunia) x20
Lora and Jin x20
Concept: Fighter Pass 2 gets delayed x20
Ghirahim x20
Zeraora x15
Wolf Link x15
Concept: FP2 character comes with an Echo Fighter x15
Cynthia x15
Concept: Fortnite character x15
Taranza x11
Gran/Djeeta x10
Otto Matic x10
The Avatar (Ultima) x10
Concept: Bravely Default rep x10
Medusa (Kid Icarus) x10
Vi (Bug Fables) x10
Concept: Rhythm Heaven rep x10
Tetra x10
Chell x8
Mii Costume: Jacket x7
Concept: A Microsoft rep that isn't Steve or Master Chief x7
Concept: Darkstalkers rep x6
Sparky (Clash Royale) x5
Concept: Overwatch character x5
Asha (Wonder Boy) x5
Mii Costume: Hat Kid x5
Concept: Portal 2 rep x5
Breath of the Wild 2 Ganondorf x5
Tick (Brawl Stars) x5
King Graham x5
Cooking Mama x5
Jill (Drill Dozer) x5
Asuka (Senran Kagura) x5
Furret x5
Deku Scrub x5
Mii Costume: Edward Falcon x5
Concept: A LABO character x5
Concept: Bonus character x5
Concept: No AT promotions x5
[Rerate] Morrigan Aensland x5
[Rerate] Cadence x5
Octoling x5
Kazuya Mishima x5
Excitebiker x5
Zero (Mega Man) x5
Gil (Babylonian Castle Saga/The Tower of Druaga) x5
Demi-fiend x5
Concept: Generic Zora x3
Three Mage Sisters x2
Concept: A Pokémon Trainer who fights x2
Concept: A fighter who uses all kicks x2
[Rerate] Metal Sonic x2
Concept: Generic Goron x2
Kass x1
Concept: A non-videogame character gets a Mii Costume passes Nate Adams and takes third place.
Monster Hunter cuts past 100 noms.
Echo: Zeraora, Amiya, and Hades all reach 50 noms and are saved from the purge.
Mii Costume: Alex Kidd escapes the under 25 world.
Chance: 50%
I feel like this one's a coin flip. NMH3 is getting a lot of attention from Nintendo, so they want it to succeed. However, we don't know the full extent of these promotional plans at the moment.
Want: 75%
I think he'd be pretty cool. He'd definetly have a more unique moveset mixing wrestling moves with his beam sword. Plus, the series has some great music to use.
Abstain on Rayman. I don't have an opinion on him.
Yesterday was the first time someone just chose to give their noms to me. Thanks for that AugustusB
! (At least, I'm hoping that's what they meant by "dealer's choice")
Concept: A non-white/Asian human character x235
Tidus x205
Concept: A non-videogame character gets a Mii Costume x190
Nate Adams x185
Moogle x175
[Rerate] Ezio x170
Shuichi Saihara x166
150 - 101
Alex Mason x140
[Rerate] Frisk x135
Concept: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon content x121
The Stretchers x120
Concept: Content from currently unreleased game (not Spirit Events) (as of May 17th 2020) x120
D.Va x115
Red (Angry Birds) x115
Zelda (BotW sequel) x110
Billy Hatcher x110
[Rerate] Prince of All Cosmos x110
[Rerate] Monster Hunter x105
100 - 51
Echo: Xion (Sora) x100
Sakura Shinguji x100
Klonoa x90
Concept: Shin Megami Tensei rep x90
Concept: Deltarune content x81
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
Sackboy x80
Riptor x80
Proto Man x80
Fulgore x79
Concept: More ATs as one new item x75
Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors) x75
Boss: Ender Dragon x73
The Terrarian x65
Concept: Rocket League repx65
Echo: Dark Bowser (Bowser) x62
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x55
Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x55
Mii Costume: Jill Stingray x55
Concept: Second F-Zero rep x54
50 - 25
[Rerate] Concept: Boss Rush x50
Giygas x50
Echo: Zeraora (Lucario) x50
Amiya (Arknights) x50
Hades (Kid Icarus) x50
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x45
Gooigi x45
Dr. Goomba Tower x45
Austin the Butler (Gardenscapes) x40
Stage: Bowser's Castle x40
Jason Frudnick & SOPHIA x40
Echo: Lord Fredrik (King K. Rool) x39
The Bard (Wandersong) x35
John Marston x33
Concept: Returning stages x31
Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is half Nintendo and half third party x30
Urbosa x30
[Rerate] Monokuma x30
Jin Sakai x30
Concept: Assist Trophies added in updates x27
Rival Pokémon Trainer x25
Concept: Dark Souls rep x25
Magolor x25
[Rerate] Maxwell x25
Mii Costume: Alex Kidd x25
Under 25
Boss: Rayquaza x24
Echo (Olimar) x21
Yoshimitsu x20
Black Shadow x20
Neptune (Hyperdimension Neptunia) x20
Lora and Jin x20
Concept: Fighter Pass 2 gets delayed x20
Ghirahim x20
Zeraora x15
Wolf Link x15
Concept: FP2 character comes with an Echo Fighter x15
Cynthia x15
Concept: Fortnite character x15
Taranza x11
Gran/Djeeta x10
Otto Matic x10
The Avatar (Ultima) x10
Concept: Bravely Default rep x10
Medusa (Kid Icarus) x10
Vi (Bug Fables) x10
Concept: Rhythm Heaven rep x10
Tetra x10
Chell x8
Mii Costume: Jacket x7
Concept: A Microsoft rep that isn't Steve or Master Chief x7
Concept: Darkstalkers rep x6
Sparky (Clash Royale) x5
Concept: Overwatch character x5
Asha (Wonder Boy) x5
Mii Costume: Hat Kid x5
Concept: Portal 2 rep x5
Breath of the Wild 2 Ganondorf x5
Tick (Brawl Stars) x5
King Graham x5
Cooking Mama x5
Jill (Drill Dozer) x5
Asuka (Senran Kagura) x5
Furret x5
Deku Scrub x5
Mii Costume: Edward Falcon x5
Concept: A LABO character x5
Concept: Bonus character x5
Concept: No AT promotions x5
[Rerate] Morrigan Aensland x5
[Rerate] Cadence x5
Octoling x5
Kazuya Mishima x5
Excitebiker x5
Zero (Mega Man) x5
Gil (Babylonian Castle Saga/The Tower of Druaga) x5
Demi-fiend x5
Concept: Generic Zora x3
Three Mage Sisters x2
Concept: A Pokémon Trainer who fights x2
Concept: A fighter who uses all kicks x2
[Rerate] Metal Sonic x2
Concept: Generic Goron x2
Kass x1
Concept: A non-videogame character gets a Mii Costume passes Nate Adams and takes third place.
Monster Hunter cuts past 100 noms.
Echo: Zeraora, Amiya, and Hades all reach 50 noms and are saved from the purge.
Mii Costume: Alex Kidd escapes the under 25 world.
Chance 50 - Think theres a good shot here. NMH3 is one of the big switch releases for the year so theres reason for Travis to get picked. He's fairly requested. Marvelous also had some DLC spirits from Deamon X Machina happen as one of the first spirit events so there's proof Nintendo was thinking about their company as one with content worthy for Smash. Overall though, that could all stop short of a playable character as we've seen with other companies like Ubisoft and Tecmo so far. I think there's a good chance of this happening but I'm not leaning towards saying yes to it just yet
Want 60 - Although I don't know much about him Travis seems pretty cool. Easy to do moveset and his personality seemingly fits well into Smash. There's significantly worse picks out there.
Rayman
Chance 10 - Kinda the same deal as Hayabusa where we have the companies content in smash but no playable character. The difference here is that we have better choices from Ubisoft, mainly Ezio who is more well known and has a better moveset potential. There's some fan demand but i think Sakurais statement of characters needing to be fun to play works against him here. I dont really see a fun movset happening with him.
Want 0 - Yep, flat 0. No connection to the character. Character doesnt seem like it would be fun to play as. And finally, theres better picks from Ubisoft. No interest in seeing Ray Man in smash
Travis
Chance: 40%
Travis has some nice stuff going for him. He has a game coming out on the switch, there isn't a ton of competition from the same developer. At the same time, I think the potential ratings issues might be enough to keep him out.
Want: 20%
I have no attachment to this character. He isn't a dumb idea for a DLC pick, so thats why i give him a 20 instead of a 0.
Rayman
Chance: 0%
I don't think chances look good for Rayman. I still think spirits deconfirm and I don't think any will be upgraded. On top of that, Rayman was a trophy in smash 4. To me, this shows that the Smash dev team's opinion of Rayman hasn't changed. They don't think he matters enough to be playable. I know that Nintendo picks the DLC, but Sakurai does get to have some say in the process as well. If he doesn't think Rayman fits, hes not getting in.
Want: 5%
I don't really get the appeal of Rayman. I don't have much experience with him, I might need to play his games to get him. Maybe one day I'll do it.
Rayman:
Chance: 10%
Rayman's practically one of Ubisoft's most famous characters, and a frontrunner for the company alongside Ezio. He's been catapulted up the chance ladder thanks to a little help from Min Min, but unfortunately Nintendo doesn't seem to find him fun. If they don't, we probably won't either.
Want: 40%
I've played only 2 Rayman games in my entire life: Rayman Raving Rabbids (which isn't even a proper Rayman game, it's just a collection of minigames involving Rabbids that has a Rayman cameo) and the mobile Rayman Legends.
I think he's pretty cool, but not cool enough to warrant me wanting him in Smash.
Noms: Amiya (Arknights) x5
Aaaand now the climb to the top begins. Hoo boy. At least she's safe.
Rayman
Chance: 60%
A pretty nice potential newcomer, although his games aren't exactly influential. (not influential ≠ bad) Him being a trophy since Smash 4 doesn't deconfirm, but it certainly doesn't help his case
Want: 40%
If we're talking raw gameplay, Rayman could be fun but he wouldn't really bring much new to the table. Of course, that's not the only reason fighters are considered for Smash, but it certainly makes Rayman less wanted in my opinion.
Travis
Chance 70%
The way this guy was promoted, he honestly kinda feels like a Nintendo character... Even if he's in M rated games. So I do think it feels natural for him to be in Smash.
His name is Touchdown, and yet he owns no superb owl, but rather a cat
Chance: 25%
Okay, let's get over this. A series of currently three games, soon(-ish) to be four, all of which were either Nintendo exclusive, or at least started out on Nintendo consoles before receiving ports (not exactly sure on what the situation with Travis Strikes Again is). However, there was a huge gap between NMH2 and Travis Strikes Again, which I feel might in a way hurt his public perception and chances. And just because he has a new game coming up, doesn't mean that he's any more or less likely. For a bottom line, I'll admit that I don't really have much in the way of a concrete argument for my comparatively low rating, so it's really more of a gut feeling.
Want: 15%
I played the first game years ago (and still own it), but it never really managed to pull me in that much, not even with its boss fights. I'm very low-key interested in giving the series another shot one day, but not any time soon, and also not with NMH3. As for Travis. . . eh? He doesn't seem that interesting as a potential Smash character to me.
Chance: 5%
Not really a popular character in Japan, not really a popular character in terms of the Smash fanbase. Not even Ubisoft really cares about him that much. Rayman is honestly lucky that he got a trophy in Smash 4 and a Spirit in Ultimate, and I don't really see him getting anything else.
Want: Abstain
I can't really make up my mind towards Rayman with a want score, so abstain.
Predicting Agnés to get around 15.38%
Predicting Neku to get around 21.85%
Nominating Concept: A non-white/Asian human character x5
And hey, remember how I said that I'd keep nominating until we got FP7 revealed, since I assumed that that'd happen soon? I really should start digging up a clown wig.
Travis
Chance: 85%
Travis benefits from the fact that his series has been tied to Nintendo since it's debut - NMH was a Wii exclusive for a time, the sequel was a Wii exclusive, Travis Strikes Again hit the Switch first, and the 3rd game is currently seeming to be Switch exclusive. Nintendo's been seeing more and more success with mature-rated games/characters, so it'd be believable that they would see an opportunity in promoting No More Heroes. Though the games were never a big hit, I think he's big enough within the Nintendo fanbase that I would understand if he was chosen for Smash. Want: 20%
I didn't play this games and I'm probably not going to, but I don't dislike Travis as much as some other characters. He's not at all generic, thankfully. He seems like he'd be an ok choice, just not something I'd care much about. Rayman
Chance: 0.01%
Coincidentally, Assassin's Creed, the Rabbids, and Rayman are the first Ubisoft franchises I'd call, "first in line for Smash," and they all managed to make it in some form. I just don't believe there is any opportunity for them to get more than what they currently have. Regardless, Rayman would have very little chance after Ubisoft saw success with the Rabbids, coupled by the fact that the things had a very successful crossover game with Mario himself. Want: 30%
I did have Rayman 2 The Great Escape and I have a good bit of nostalgia for it. He's not my most-wanted, but he'd be okay. I would probably just play him in the fangames if I really really wanted him.
**** I swear to god I posted my ratings before the maintenance started. My post has now completely disappeared. I also don't have the draft anymore.
I gave both Travis and Rayman a 40%, gave Rayman a 95% in want and a 15% for Travis. Gave 5 noms to Magolor and predicted a 22.45% for Neku and a 18.20% for Agnes.
These might not be counted because of the two sentence rule but I hope you guys understand.
Chance - 5% - Rayman seems to be Ubisoft's go to character for Nintendo stuff. While there does seem to be more popular characters in Ubisoft's lineup, Rayman, thanks to Origins and Legends, seems to be their character they would choose for Nintendo stuff. Now that we have some Ubisoft things in the game, does that mean Rayman's coming? I have no clue. I do think Ubisoft would chose Rayman for Smash, but if Ubisoft would be chosen in the first place is a big question mark to me.
Want - 60% - I had fun with Legends. While he might not quite be as interesting as some characters, I can accept his placement.
Travis Touchdown
Chance - 7.5% - Probably a front runner among the indies. Nintendo and Travis seem close, with most of his games being Nintendo exclusive. In fact, they showed Travis as a representative of Indies during the Switch reveal; that's about as close as you can get. I have no idea if they will specifily gun for the indie crowd, but he seems like a likely pick if they do.
Want - 50% - He's not quite my style, but he's okay. I'm neutral on him overall.
I’m grabbing lunch, have a write up on my laptop I’ll post today. Day will end around 3. Letting it go a bit longer to help people post since the maintenance took a while.
waddledeeonredyoshi
this time ya get a pass, don’t worry. I know that pain I had a write up draft for Neku I lost part of.
I said there are very few characters that I feel right now confident rating over an 80% Chance, and Travis is one of them.
Travis has a few boons. For one, he is a decent shill pick for Nintendo. The number of exclusive games that we know of coming soon are slim, so shilling NMH3 makes some sense to me. There also is the fact that Suda and Sakurai are bros which helps. What we have here is a franchise with strong Nintendo roots, having a new game on the horizon ripe for promotion. I could easily see Travis taking that spot.
It also helps he has a niche following. I could see Sakurai mention that in a famitsu piece talking on that.
100% Want
NMH is fun. So is NMH2. But mainly this is because I have quite a few close friends irl who would be so happy if Travis made it in. What separates this from something like say Dee is because Dee's a bird I actually like NMH. While for Dee the requests enforced how mediocre modern kirby is, Travis reminded me of my fun with NMH.
Rayman
5% Chance
Yeah I do not buy it.
While Ubisoft is on board and Spirits no longer Deconfirm, Rayman has bigger obstacles in his path to Smash. The biggest being that Japan does not care for him much. Being a western character is already an uphill battle. You either need to be a fan favorite or somewhat popular in Japan too. Crash is a great example of a Western character that I think has a great shot, he has both of those. Rayman is a decent fan pick here, but he rarely tops out fan ballots. And in Japan Rayman is just not popular enough.
100% Want
Which is a shame because I love the Rayman games. Rayman Origins and Legends are amazing and a ton of fun to play alone or with friends. Rayman 1 also is really fun and the graphics still hold up to this day. I personally do not care for 2 that much, though I do have a soft spot for 3.
Fortnite Character x 5
Today, we got a Square day! In the red corner we got Neku from The World Ends With You. Could his Switch port and upcoming anime series make him seem more likely? In the Blue corner we have Agnès Oblige, who is considered the face of the Bravely Default Series. While her presence in BD2 is currently unknown, the franchise is truckin. Rate both in chance and want.
Tomorrow is Blizzard day, and we will rate Tracer and Diablo. Predict those two.
Sari hasn't been here yet, time to post Bravely Default music.
"Unacceptable!"
Chance: 40%
Gonna say this flat-out: We should've rated the concept of a Bravely Default character in general instead of just Agnès. While Agnès may have been on (some versions of) the cover of the first game as the focal character, she really isn't the face of the franchise. Tiz has been playable in both Default and Second (being even on some versions of the cover for the latter), and Edea is the most popular character, who's also constantly used in promotional artwork, and she's also playable in both games.
That said, I'll treat today's rating as a general BD character rating, at least as far as chance is concerned. Hence the 40%. Bravely Default is a reasonably successful series, practically flying off the shelves on its initial release, and has a new game coming up (though that one seems to be following the "numbered Final Fantasy entry"-approach). The series has also received a significant push from Nintendo for basically all of its games, so that's definitely also a plus. I still would be rather surprised if we do get a Bravely Default character, but it wouldn't be entirely unexpected.
Want: 15%
Out of all of BD's playable characters, Agnès is. . . honestly the one I'd want the least. Edea, Ringabel and Tiz, hell, even Magnolia and Yew I'd find more interesting than her. I'd still enjoy getting her, but there'd still be the lingering thought of "I'd rather have the other ones".
Neku? More like Neko! . . .I don't know anything about TWEWY.
Chance: 10%
From what I gather, TWEWY has always been more of a cult classic than a big success. For the longest time, it was just a standalone DS game, until it got a Switch port. . . and that's about it, at least as far as gaming is concerned. Though, wait - didn't he also make an appearance in one KH game, for whatever that's worth? Anyway, considering that he's in competition with plenty of other Square Enix characters, I really don't think that we'll be seeing him.
Want: 0%
Sorry to be harsh on this, but there's just way too many Square Enix characters that I'd really rather see than Neku. I have no interest in him.
Predicting Tracer to get around 21.38%
Predicting Diabolo to get around 13.31%
Nominating Concept: A non-white/Asian human character x5
Note that I dialed my ratings back a little bit after posting. Agnès
Chance: 65%. Things are looking pretty good for Bravely. It did well enough to make Squeenix reevaluate their management for the juggernaut that is Final Fantasy, it's been Nintendo-centric, and it's got a new game coming up pretty soon. I'd say Agnès (Or Edea, or whoever the Bravely rep would be) is in a pretty good spot.
Want: 40%. I'm pretty neutral, mostly due to lack of knowledge. Still, I could see why they'd be added and I'd be fine with it. Neku
Chance: 60%. Similarly to Bravely, TWEWY is Nintendo-centric and relevant to modern gaming. While it didn't do quite as well as Bravely, it's been ported a lot, it seems to be finally moving on with the hook in Final Remix, and it's got an anime coming up. Has Bravely got an anime to it's name? I'm pretty sure that's one thing Mr. Sakuraba has over Agnès. Still, as stated before, it's not quite at Bravely level yet.
Want: 50%. Dunno much about him, but he seems pretty cool. In fact, my lack of knowledge on him is what gave me the idea for a "Convert us to this fighter" thread, in case you don't know to much on someone but want to know. Could someone explain him to me in full? But still, he seems pretty cool.
Also, in Japanese Sakuraba is one latter off from Sakurai. Ultimately meaningless, but I think it's something funny to note. Predictions:
Diablo: 18.95%
Tracer: 24.62%
Abstain on Agnès. Don't know much about Bravely Default and don't care enough to do research.
The World Is Not Enough Ends With You
Chance: 13%
I do think Neku has a decent shot. The anime will definitely give him more popularity and is a reason for Nintendo and Square Enix to push him. The TWEWY Switch port also helps. From research it seems that Final Remix didn't do that well in Japan but did do better in other parts of the world. I don't have a specific source but many people claim this. But sales aside, Neku has to deal with a whole load of competition. Square Enix has so many characters and I think Neku isn't going to be at the top of their priority list. Not as requested as Geno, not as iconic or successful as Sora or Lara Croft. Plus there is 2B as well as Final Fantasy characters.
Don't get me wrong, Neku has his merits too. He is requested, relevant, Nintendo focused, and time has shown again and again that bigger series don't always get in first. But considering everything, I can't be too confident in him.
Want: Abstain
It would feel wrong for me to give him a score at this time. I haven't played the game but I have seen a lot of what it offers so while I could give him a score like I was debating, I will hold off on it.
neku sakuraba
chance: 50% i can see this going either. it might just be me but i think SE is pushing twewy atm. fells like normua is trying to get enough interest in the squeal at last. neku seems to me like a character that sakurai would pick, nintendo would pick and SE would pick. so the way i see it a very distinct possibility hes even got the popularity to boot.
want: 100% i love twewy and neku is a cool character and would be great to fit in smash. vast array of moves to pull from so good music and some great stage potential. he would be pure hype for me.
agnès oblige
chance: 40% im willing to believe a bravely default character could be in smash im just not sure itd be agnès. most people seem to pick her as the face of the series, which i kind of get but i dont think there is a face of the series. also she isnt the main character, tiz is the main character of the first, yew is the main character of the second. so i think bravely is just the kind of game nintendo or SE would suggest a character for smash im just not sure it would be her.
want: 90% i love both games and would love to have any of the 6 main characters to be in smash. admitably id probably prefer tiz but id be super hyped to have her in smash. and id be very curious to see what they so with her and the stage.
Call it a gut hunch, but I feel Neku is a sleeper choice for Smash.
It seems to me that Square really wants to push TWEWY the past few years. Final Remix came out for Switch (albeit a tad overpriced and not as good as the DS version) swinging as a primetime Nintendo Direct game. The sales are hard to pin down, but Square was happy enough with them to consider a sequel. The franchise now is getting an anime even, so to me it really seems like Square wants to invest in the IP. TWEWY also has the benefit for being Nomura's baby. He clearly has a lot of passion for the project.
While Neku has a good bit of competition, I would argue his competition is not as strong as one would first assume. I have always said Sephiroth is a sleeper choice, but I can admit he does not seem like a DLC choice nowadays, I doubt FF will get another character as DLC. 2B, while popular, is not doing anything right now and NIER's connection to Nintendo is nonexistent. Same goes for Croft except that she is relatively unpopular in Japan too, Tomb Raider was always more of a western franchise. I talked of why Geno in my opinion is kind of overrated for smash already.
Overall, a franchise Nintendo and Square clearly see value in which still is in vogue right now. I say he is a sleeper pick.
100% Want
Yes yes yes yes yes yes. TWEWY is one of my favorite games of all time. The soundtrack is amazing. The artstyle is amazing. The characters are amazing. Neku is a great main character. The world of Shibuya is amazing. If you have not played it, get the DS version it is the best game on the system. Also probably the best 3ds game too at that. The Switch port is decent, but if ya can find the DS version play that.
I guess the biggest thing for me is that there are basically only a handful of characters I would freak out on being in the game. The main ones are Neku, Crash, and Heavy. While some like Spyro would be dream picks, rn I do not seem them as likely. Neku is one of the few feasible characters that I would be super hyped for.
Also sidenote I am kicking myself for missing Heavy's day, I had a write up for him and he is a sleeper choice too in my opinion.
Abstaining on our brave friend. Still need to play the bravely games. Still heard they are good though.
Call it a gut hunch, but I feel Neku is a sleeper choice for Smash.
It seems to me that Square really wants to push TWEWY the past few years. Final Remix came out for Switch (albeit a tad overpriced and not as good as the DS version) swinging as a primetime Nintendo Direct game. The sales are hard to pin down, but Square was happy enough with them to consider a sequel. The franchise now is getting an anime even, so to me it really seems like Square wants to invest in the IP. TWEWY also has the benefit for being Nomura's baby. He clearly has a lot of passion for the project.
While Neku has a good bit of competition, I would argue his competition is not as strong as one would first assume. I have always said Sephiroth is a sleeper choice, but I can admit he does not seem like a DLC choice nowadays, I doubt FF will get another character as DLC. 2B, while popular, is not doing anything right now and NIER's connection to Nintendo is nonexistent. Same goes for Croft except that she is relatively unpopular in Japan too, Tomb Raider was always more of a western franchise. I talked of why Geno in my opinion is kind of overrated for smash already.
Overall, a franchise Nintendo and Square clearly see value in which still is in vogue right now. I say he is a sleeper pick.
100% Want
Yes yes yes yes yes yes. TWEWY is one of my favorite games of all time. The soundtrack is amazing. The artstyle is amazing. The characters are amazing. Neku is a great main character. The world of Shibuya is amazing. If you have not played it, get the DS version it is the best game on the system. Also probably the best 3ds game too at that. The Switch port is decent, but if ya can find the DS version play that.
I guess the biggest thing for me is that there are basically only a handful of characters I would freak out on being in the game. The main ones are Neku, Crash, and Heavy. While some like Spyro would be dream picks, rn I do not seem them as likely. Neku is one of the few feasible characters that I would be super hyped for.
Also sidenote I am kicking myself for missing Heavy's day, I had a write up for him and he is a sleeper choice too in my opinion.
Abstaining on our brave friend. Still need to play the bravely games. Still heard they are good though.
Smash ends with you
Chance: 15%
Neku has some things coing for him. The biggest is that Square Enix seems to want to do things with his series, with TWEWYFR is on Switch, and that it's getting an anime adaptation. Furthermore, the series is exclusive to Nintendo and mobiles, which may give him some cookie points. He also has some fan requests, and the potential to be really fun and unique. And that's it. Sadly fo rhim, Neku doesn't have much beynod his game getting relevance again and that he would be a pretty sick pick.
Want: 90%
THe World Ends With You is an incredible game, just go play it if you haven't, truly one of the best game SE made. Neku could have such a cool moveset, and the music that would come with him would be so great. So yeah, I would welcome him with open arms.
Playing Smash with Default controls is pretty Bravely- no, this one just doesn't work. Anyway, it's Agnès Oblige
Chance: 18%
Pretty much the same as Neku but her series did not take a long break of nothingness until gettnig the spotlight again, and Nintendo is actualy putting Bravely Default 2 as a big deal. So yeah, I would say that Agnès is in a better spot than Neku at the moment, even if only slightly.
Want: 85%
I would prefer Neku over Agnès, but both would honestly be awesome. Agnès also has potential to have an amzing moveset thanks to the class/job switching mechanic of BD, and the music would also be so amazing. So yeah, she would also be an amazing choice for another SE rep.
Chance: 15% - Neku definitely has a solid shot, but I wouldn't overstate it. The franchise has finally seen a push towards a sequel and has had several ports, one to Switch and originating on DS. The upcoming anime and the potentially coming sequel are definitely reasons to promote the franchise. That said, competition is still an issue. Yes, the biggest series aren't always the winners, but sometimes they are. Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy say hello, and they're from the very same company. Furthermore, Neku's fan demand isn't the biggest, especially compared to big names in Square such as Geno and Sora, who regularly dominate fan polls. Overall, Neku's best chance is as a promotional pick to push the series, it all depends on whether Nintendo is interested.
Want: 20% - Pretty neutral on Neku. There are other big names in Square Enix I'd much rather see (namely Gex, Geno, and Sora), but I wouldn't complain if Neku was chosen. He does have a pretty cool design that helps him stand out from other character within his company.
Agnes
Chance: 10% - Has a lot of the strengths and issues Neku has, having a heavy Nintendo association and good reasons to promote it, albeit having a lot of competition as well. While the Bravely series as seen much more success than The World Ends With You, for some reason I can't shake off a feeling I get from it: Spirit Event. Square's been ever present with spirit events and have given both Mana and Octopath spirit events, two other Square franchises with heavy Nintendo ties. Bravely for some reason feels like the next in line, at least to me. Still, this is only an educated guess, anything could happen at this point.
There's also the issue of Agnes not even being the main or most prominent character, Yew and several others surpassing her in prominence. I'd give a general Bravely rep about a 20%, but Agnes doesn't seem like the most likely choice of the bunch.
Want: 5% - No experience with the Bravely series, and JRPGs already got a LOT of love in the last pass (and in Smash DLC in general), so I'd love to see some more variety. Furthermore, with only five slots left there are a lot of other characters I'd rather see, and even if one of them had to be a Square rep I'd choose someone like Sora, Geno, or Gex.
Nominations:
[Rerate] Prince of All Cosmos x5
Predictions:
Tracer - 5.22% - Not expecting high scores for her after the Overwatch NintendoWorld event was canned, plus with Min Min now a thing people might consider other characters due to Overwatch also having an ensamble cast. I've seen some decent arguments for Doomfist as of late.
Diablo - 8.76% - Not expecting high scores for Diablo either, due to the state of the franchise, though it being a historical Blizzard pick along with the Loot Goblin amiibo being a thing may gain it some higher scores.
Neku:
Chance - 50% - The Twewy marketing push is looking a little for the future of this lad
Want - 50% I would be quite happy with him the music especially
Agnes:
Chance - 30% - People are putting to much faith into the Bravely series, Even if a character gets chosen Bravely Default doesn't really have a protagonist: Tiz is the first character, Agnes is the cover character, Edea and Ringabel are arguably the most important, Magnolia is the icon of second, Yu is the first character in Second. The chances for each character in this series is confusing not even touching the new one
Want - 25% - I would prefer Edea
Chance: 10%. Since we already have two Square Enix reps, Neku’s Chance is quite low. However, since Square Enix is slowly becoming more supportive of it’s characters in smash, so it is not impossible.
Want: 50%. Neku would fit as an obscure rep and Neku would also be a fun character to play as. Since I don’t know much about the World Ends with You, i’ll give his rating a 50%, at least for now.
Agnes
Chance: 10%. See above for most of the details. Agnès however has been rumoured quite a bit, but then again, her chance is the same as many other Square Enix reps.
Want: 50%. Agnès would be a fun character to play, and she would have some decent moves to use against her opponents. But since I don’t really know too much about Bravely Default, I’ll leave her at 50%.
Chance: 35%
I think Neku has a pretty great darkhorse chance. TWEWY is a Nintendo game, Final Mix is on the Switch, and it's getting an anime. Plus, a certain other Square Enix game features elements from it, heavily implying they'll be prominent in future games. All in all, this is the kind of heavy involvement that isn't usually afforded to a one-and-done game, which leads me to believe that a sequel is imminent (and it's guaranteed that if one exists, it'll be on Nintendo). With all that in mind, plus TWEWY's acclaim and status as a Nintendo exclusive, I could see Neku given the nod in Smash. He certainly has the moveset, stage and music potential, and even some support.
Want: 90%
I loved TWEWY and Neku would have a pretty cool moveset, so I'm down.
The real Final Fantasy XII and XIII
Chance: 18%
Bravely is also one of Square Enix's RPG series that are 1. Much better than modern FF, 2. Small in scale and budget, and 3. Nintendo exclusive (see also: TWEWY and Octopath Traveler). Of the three, it's the first one to get sequels, and there's an upcoming game that's being published by Nintendo this year (though I think it's 100% getting delayed to 2021, but that changes nothing). So it stands to reason that, maybe more than any other Square Enix IP this side of Dragon Quest, Bravely Default is the one that Nintendo has the most personal interest in promoting.
Really, the downsides are the huge amount of competition within the company, and within the series. I've always meant to play the Bravely games, but never got around to it. I've always assumed that Agnes was the frontrunner for a series rep, but it seems to be a matter of debate amongst actual fans. I'll summarize what I know below, in spoiler tags just in case.
Agnes is the cover star of the first game, and shares the protagonist spot with Tiz; Agnes being the one the story revolves around and Tiz being the generic self-insert with no attachments to anyone. Agnes also has an important role in Bravely Second's story, though from what I gather she plays a damsel in distress role. Tiz returns in Second as a party member, though from what I gather he spends a huge chunk of the game possessed by another character.
Aside from that, we have Yew, who fills the main character role in Bravely Second (though it's a more clear cut matter than the first one imo). Then we have Edea (a party member in both games), Ringabel (playable in the first but only a cameo in the second) and Magnolia (party member and cover girl in the second), but none of them strike me as protagonist or mascot material, so it would take a Min Min-style "we just went for a popular character" choice to get one of them in.
And then there's Bravely Default II, where we seem to have a dynamic similar to the first game, with "sailor from outside the land" Seth filling Tiz's role and "runaway princess with actual goals" Gloria filling Agnes'.
From that, I'd say the only characters that rival Agnes would be Tiz, and a Bravely Default II character. However, I've only seen major demand for one character from the series, and that's Agnes, so to me that's the clear indicator of who they'd go for – it seems the fandom at large has decided she's the horse to bet on, so to speak. So it's either her or the possibility of a promotional pick, which can't be discounted.
Here's a question to the fans: if the moveset had changing jobs as a gimmick, would it make sense for several of the characters to feature as alts of each other? From what I've seen, the characters have similar proportions in their chibi forms, but would it make sense from personality and moveset perspectives?
Want: 85%
Like I said, I haven't played the games, but I think they're more than deserving of a Smash inclusion by this point.
Noms: Jason and Sophia x5
Tracer prediction: Tracer is eternally underrated just because people don't like Blizzard, 12.31%
Diablo prediction: 3.4%
In case anyone was wondering, I was planning on doing calcs Saturday night to post on Sunday, but then maintenance screwed me up. Tomorrow I should have time to update them.
Concept: A non-white/Asian human character x240
Tidus x205
Concept: A non-videogame character gets a Mii Costume x195
Nate Adams x190
Moogle x175
[Rerate] Ezio x175
Shuichi Saihara x171
150 - 101
Alex Mason x140
[Rerate] Frisk x135
Concept: Content from currently unreleased game (not Spirit Events) (as of May 17th 2020) x125
Concept: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon content x121
The Stretchers x120
D.Va x115
Red (Angry Birds) x115
[Rerate] Prince of All Cosmos x115
Zelda (BotW sequel) x110
Billy Hatcher x110
[Rerate] Monster Hunter x105
Echo: Xion (Sora) x103
Sakura Shinguji x102
100 - 51
Klonoa x95
Concept: Shin Megami Tensei rep x95
Proto Man x85
Concept: Deltarune content x81
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
Sackboy x80
Riptor x80
Fulgore x79
Concept: More ATs as one new item x75
Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors) x75
Boss: Ender Dragon x73
The Terrarian x65
Concept: Rocket League repx65
Echo: Dark Bowser (Bowser) x62
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x55
Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x55
Mii Costume: Jill Stingray x55
Amiya (Arknights) x55
Hades (Kid Icarus) x55
Concept: Second F-Zero rep x54
50 - 25
[Rerate] Concept: Boss Rush x50
Giygas x50
Echo: Zeraora (Lucario) x50
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x50
Gooigi x45
Dr. Goomba Tower x45
Jason Frudnick & SOPHIA x45
Austin the Butler (Gardenscapes) x40
Stage: Bowser's Castle x40
Echo: Lord Fredrik (King K. Rool) x39
The Bard (Wandersong) x35
John Marston x35
Jin Sakai x33
Concept: Returning stages x31
Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is half Nintendo and half third party x30
Urbosa x30
[Rerate] Monokuma x30
Magolor x30
Boss: Rayquaza x29
Concept: Assist Trophies added in updates x27
Rival Pokémon Trainer x25
Concept: Dark Souls rep x25
[Rerate] Maxwell x25
Mii Costume: Alex Kidd x25
Under 25
Echo (Olimar) x21
Yoshimitsu x20
Black Shadow x20
Neptune (Hyperdimension Neptunia) x20
Lora and Jin x20
Concept: Fighter Pass 2 gets delayed x20
Ghirahim x20
Concept: Fortnite character x20
Zeraora x15
Wolf Link x15
Concept: FP2 character comes with an Echo Fighter x15
Cynthia x15
Taranza x11
Gran/Djeeta x10
Otto Matic x10
The Avatar (Ultima) x10
Concept: Bravely Default rep x10
Medusa (Kid Icarus) x10
Vi (Bug Fables) x10
Concept: Rhythm Heaven rep x10
Tetra x10
Demi-fiend x10
Chell x8
Mii Costume: Jacket x7
Concept: A Microsoft rep that isn't Steve or Master Chief x7
Concept: Darkstalkers rep x6
Sparky (Clash Royale) x5
Concept: Overwatch character x5
Asha (Wonder Boy) x5
Mii Costume: Hat Kid x5
Concept: Portal 2 rep x5
Breath of the Wild 2 Ganondorf x5
Tick (Brawl Stars) x5
King Graham x5
Cooking Mama x5
Jill (Drill Dozer) x5
Asuka (Senran Kagura) x5
Furret x5
Deku Scrub x5
Mii Costume: Edward Falcon x5
Concept: A LABO character x5
Concept: Bonus character x5
Concept: No AT promotions x5
[Rerate] Morrigan Aensland x5
[Rerate] Cadence x5
Octoling x5
Kazuya Mishima x5
Excitebiker x5
Zero (Mega Man) x5
Gil (Babylonian Castle Saga/The Tower of Druaga) x5
Concept: Generic Zora x3
Three Mage Sisters x2
Concept: A Pokémon Trainer who fights x2
Concept: A fighter who uses all kicks x2
[Rerate] Metal Sonic x2
Concept: Generic Goron x2
Kass x1
Ezio duels with Moogle for fifth place.
Echo: Xion and Sakura Shinguji cut through 100 noms.
Amiya and Hades warp past 50 noms.
Jin Kazama makes it to 50 noms, he's now safe from the purge.
A third Square character huh. I dont think either of these characters are super likely but considering its gotten 2 sequels now (should Octopath be considered a spinoff?), my money is on Bravely. Although I prefer Neku purely on aesthetics alone. 3 fantasy setting characters from Square? I'd rather not. And considering we'd probably only get 2 songs I'd rather have 2 from TWEWY.
The Vestal of UNACCEPTABLE Chance: 8%
Things look pretty good so far. Octopath just got a spirit event, there's a new game coming, decently popular, and has no need for complex copyright issues. Outside of Geno, I hink BD rep is pretty likely.
Want: 15%
Meh. For a BD rep I prefer Edea or Yew, since I like them. I like their designs more since Agnes feels like a normal mage-like character with a robe while Edea wears a mail skirt with a bow, and I really dig Yew's cavalier-like outfit and sword. I would love to hear "Mrgrgr..." or "For the gravy!" as taunts.
On a side note, if we get a BD rep would we able to get the vocalized versions of the battle musics?
Agnes is the cover star of the first game, and shares the protagonist spot with Tiz; Agnes being the one the story revolves around and Tiz being the generic self-insert with no attachments to anyone. Agnes also has an important role in Bravely Second's story, though from what I gather she plays a damsel in distress role. Tiz returns in Second as a party member, though from what I gather he spends a huge chunk of the game possessed by another character.
Aside from that, we have Yew, who fills the main character role in Bravely Second (though it's a more clear cut matter than the first one imo). Then we have Edea (a party member in both games), Ringabel (playable in the first but only a cameo in the second) and Magnolia (party member and cover girl in the second), but none of them strike me as protagonist or mascot material, so it would take a Min Min-style "we just went for a popular character" choice to get one of them in.
And then there's Bravely Default II, where we seem to have a dynamic similar to the first game, with "sailor from outside the land" Seth filling Tiz's role and "runaway princess with actual goals" Gloria filling Agnes'.
Here's a question to the fans: if the moveset had changing jobs as a gimmick, would it make sense for several of the characters to feature as alts of each other? From what I've seen, the characters have similar proportions in their chibi forms, but would it make sense from personality and moveset perspectives?
in terms of personality no it wouldnt make sense unless all animations were devoid of personality like with olimar/alph but from a moveset point of view it would make sense as any of them can be any job and use all its moves
Nuke Chance: 20%
Square really seems to be pushing this IP lately and not having it remembered as the one time DS game it used to be. A sequel seems to be very likely. If Square was approached for another character they'd probably want him. I can really see Neku being liked by all parties involved. There's some competition, sure, but honestly Neku can be considered top dog at the moment.
Angus
Chance: 15%
Like NMH3, Bravely 2 seems to be another third-party exclusive shaping up to be a big release and can also make for an easy promotional pick. This would be higher if we were rating a Bravely Default rep in general but we're not and Agnès apparently faces competition from within her own series and isn't even the protagonist in any of the games. Not even sure if she sticks around in future games. They might pick someone from Bravely 2 instead, after all, Square did originally want Noctis from the then recent FFXV as the FF rep. I'm pretty sure Agnès doesn't have Cloud Strife levels of popularity for Sakurai to object to that this time.
Abstaining on want for both, tho I'd probably prefer Neku.
AugustusB ! (At least, I'm hoping that's what they meant by "dealer's choice")
for the future of this lad
