Rate Their Chances - Smash Ultimate Edition! Day 672: Five Most Likely First and Third Parties for Smash 6, and Final Goodbyes

[RouffWestie]

Ahri
Chance: 34%
League of Legends is definitely a majorly successful IP and I can't say it'd be unbelievable to see it in Smash. While I think League will inevitably be represented somehow in Ultimate, a League-themed Spirit Event feels like a more likely scenario to me. The only reason I say that is because, with just 5 DLC slots left, I think there's less room for it to make it in over other reps.
Want: 7%
I'm not that interested in this game nor this character. Whatever opportunities for genuinely new, never-before-done Smash mechanics the MOBA genre has to offer, I don't think I'd care for them. I am down for more representation of PC gaming, but that's about it.

Nominations: [Rerate] Kratos x5

 

[warpenguin55]

OwO what's this
Side note: I can't manage to even be certain that Wild Rift is happening, I mean why do we still not know what consoles it'll be on? This is a freaking triple A release, even for a company like Tencent (shady and non-transparent) it's weird business.

I thought I saw that Wild Rift was coming on console after the mobile version was fully released. Still pretty odd scenario though I do agree.

what was name of the guy who looked like bowser?

That is probably Rammus.

 

[fogbadge]

That is probably Rammus.

rammus! that was it, thanks

 

[Ridrool64]

At this point, I'm not sure I'll ever get a chance to update the list.

Your honor...

Chance: 30 ~ 45% is what I'd give a LoL rep in general, and Ahri is certainly in contention for the role. Thing is, though, not only is she not alone but nobody stands out enough to really be the frontrunner. So, I'll give her a 15% chance specifically, because she's got it fairly good by their standards still but overall a LoL rep is very much wait-and-see.

Want: I don't care about League of Legends. But the meme is kinda funny, so 20% because people would make Smash versions of it. Ahri herself does nothing for me.

SNES Era Final Fantasy rep x 10, I think it's been long enough that it's okay to start nomming it again. If Subspace Assists do better than Bubsy I'd be amazed (ignoring outliers like BowserKing will probably be). 0.25%. Their want will likely also be rock bottom.

 

[SKX31]

I thought I saw that Wild Rift was coming on console after the mobile version was fully released. Still pretty odd scenario though I do agree.

It is strange, yes, but I can kinda see why. The mobile versions are presumably easier to dev for. That said, they are currently alpha testing the mobile versions in Brazil and Phillipines. From the streams, it looks reasonably close to a full-fledged LoL for being an alpha test.

OwO what's this

Chance: 1%
I'd give a higher score if it was actually confirmed that Wild Rift is coming to Switch, but until we know for sure, I can easily see them snubbing it, as if one console gets the short end of the stick it's the Switch.

The biggest clue IMHO is Riot's job listings. This was October 2019, Sakurai did say that FP2 had been decided by the Byleth presentation (Jaunary 2020) so there is a grace period here:

After a look at the job section of the Riot Games website, we found multiple positions referencing Nintendo's beloved handheld system. There are two for senior software engineers (specifically for the new game Wild Rift) and various other jobs that mention the Nintendo Switch. The senior software engineer positions both desire:

Experience shipping cross platform console games (XBox, PS, Switch)​

The software architect job at Riot's Platform group requires the following:

Experience and understanding with two or more of the following platforms: Microsoft Windows OS (desktop), iOS or Android OS (mobile), XB1, PS4, Nintendo Switch (console).​

And other positions such as the quality assurance lead for the Riot Platform Group ask for similar qualifications:

Experience with one or more of the following platforms: Microsoft Windows OS. (desktop), iOS or Android OS (mobile), XB1, PS4, Nintendo Switch (console)​

Currently they're looking for a senior software engineer for the backend tech.

As for the rating itself:

Ahri:

Chance: 25 %

High score, yes. While I'm not fully confident on a LoL character in Smash yet (This requires Nintendo and Tencent / Riot to agree to this) the possibility is there. Tencent being Nintendo's partner in China is one piece of the puzzle making this possible, yes. Nintendo has tried to break into China since the early 2000s (with the handheld N64 iQue) but never really got a strong official foothold. Consoles were banned there until 2014, and Nintendo's attempts to circumvent this accidentally made iQue (and its successors) seem like pirate stuff. The highest the iQue got was the GBA at 500K. Not much.

The Switch marked something of a turning point though - Nintendo noticed an uptick of interest in the Switch contra previous consoles (with Nintendo's estimates being 3 million Switches - most imported from JP etc. - by Jaunary this year). Nintendo thus decided to change tacts and partner with a Chinese company to release the Switch officially there (The Chinese government requires that because the regime's onerous). And Tencent were also looking to learn about the console business - their own reasons is a long story on its own. But suffice to say, both Nintendo and Tencent saw the partnership as a win / win. Tencent's only fully owned major IP is LoL - if Nintendo and Tencent agreed on a character, it's... yeah.

Riot's piece of the puzzle is simpler - they've been looking to expand beyond just LoL. Something which became evident with Valorant, but Wild Rift and their other projects also play a part here. Riot also made a Project M mod (that takes dedication). So they would of course be open to the invitation if Nintendo asked.

Sakurai's the real question mark, but I have no doubts that he at least has heard of LoL given its huge presence for the last decade. And if Nintendo suggested a LoL character, I don't doubt that he'd be able to familiarize himself with the character and come up with a moveset.

LoL itself has managed to establish a major presence in a lot of regions. Not just China (with Hong Kong / Taiwan / Macau being traditionally a separate region): it along with South Korea, NA and EU are the game's traditional four hotbeds. More "minor" regions like Japan still get a slot in the annual World Championship, and evidently LoL has a presence in Japan (even if not huge). Yes, LoL is huge in China and it would be a major reason why I'd imagine, but China's not the only factor at play here. South Korea's also relatively close to Japan, another region where Nintendo has seen an uptick with the Switch, and arguably LoL's biggest hotbed. Considering the # of pros coming from South Korea.

While the Chinese player stats is (evidently, could be off here) kept to a third party app, Ahri's one of the more talked about champions there. The usual suspects within the NA / EU LoL fans are also - generally - popular there.

Ahri's prominence within LoL is not just through promotional material, her being popular within the fandom or her being one of the characters in both Wild Rift and the LoL fighting game project. She's also associated with several professional players - including the best, Faker. As such, she is a front runner if a LoL character was chosen for Smash.

Want: 70 %

My want score is partly tied to my years playing Dota 2 (LoL's "elder" sibling / rival.), so LoL's a "Gateway rep" for me. But I fully support a LoL character because of several reasons. Not just because it would be a megaton announcement (and thus increasing the number of people who grow up enjoying Nintendo stuff, just like we do). But also since I find Ahri and many other LoL champions genuienly interesting. The characters themselves are a genuine reason why, but I've also been interested in how they translate to Smash.

As far as Ahri herself goes, I've imagined her as an agressive Rosalina / Palutena mixture due to her Orb serving as a Luma-esque familiar of sorts and her general playstyle being aggresive a la Palu. I'm personally someone who prefers aggresive characters, so I'm favoring her.

Noms: Tidus x5
Preds: Auroros, Jyk and Poppant as ATs: 0.05%

 

[Sid-cada]

Ahri

Chance - 0.5% - The main problem with Ahri, putting aside how likely a League of Legends character is in the first place, is how vast the competition for a slot is. Ahri was once one of the poster girls, but as she is more divorced from the overall story she's been taking a big backseat to other characters. In my mind, you will have to convince me it won't be Jinx, as she is in my mind the most popular league character out there. Not only is she in Wild Rift, she's also in the card game, getting an upcoming animated series, and is currently the proud owner of one of the most popular music videos for league, rivaled only by K/DA's own. I'd be more confortable going with her instead.

Want - 50% - I've followed the story line of League, though I haven't played any of the games. Ahri's one of those "just there" characters to me. I'm mostly neutral to any character, though I think a good move set might win me over.


Nominations

Lip X5

 

[GoodGrief741]

The biggest clue IMHO is Riot's job listings. This was October 2019, Sakurai did say that FP2 had been decided by the Byleth presentation (Jaunary 2020) so there is a grace period here:

Yeah, I've seen the job listings, but there's a difference between hiring people with knowledge on the Switch and actually putting out a game for it. Sadly, there's a long history of games being in development for Nintendo consoles and those versions being seen as lower priority than the others, leading to their cancelation if any problems arose. Until I see an announcement, I'll remain skeptical just to be safe.

As for the timeline of development, remember that more DLC was announced in Terry's showcase, and that was shot right after Banjo's, so we know that additional DLC was in the works way before that. Byleth's presentation was probably shot around October-November 2019 and by then the Pass was finalized. That's not a lot of leeway.

The argument could be made that Tencent could have told Nintendo about their plans early on as they're partners, though given Tencent's business tactics I'm not sure the partnership goes both ways.

is currently the proud owner of one of the most popular music videos for league, rivaled only by K/DA's own

There's League of Legends... Music videos?

 

[CommanderZaktan]

Since the current topic is about a LoL character, I'll like to bring this leak up from months ago since the leaker got one right.

Spoiler

 

[SKX31]

Yeah, I've seen the job listings, but there's a difference between hiring people with knowledge on the Switch and actually putting out a game for it. Sadly, there's a long history of games being in development for Nintendo consoles and those versions being seen as lower priority than the others, leading to their cancelation if any problems arose. Until I see an announcement, I'll remain skeptical just to be safe.

As for the timeline of development, remember that more DLC was announced in Terry's showcase, and that was shot right after Banjo's, so we know that additional DLC was in the works way before that. Byleth's presentation was probably shot around October-November 2019 and by then the Pass was finalized. That's not a lot of leeway.

The argument could be made that Tencent could have told Nintendo about their plans early on as they're partners, though given Tencent's business tactics I'm not sure the partnership goes both ways.


There's League of Legends... Music videos?

You have a good point there. I didn't want to come across as it 100 % existing, I wanted to say that if there are job listings they're at least exploring the possibility. I'm more positive on that happening since the Switch's own architecture is similar to that of low end mobiles (while the Switch doesn't have to worry about a heavy OS unlike mobiles). But lets wait and see on that to be safe.

Ah, okay. My mistake then. Nintendo and Tencent filed the first Chinese Switch trademark in late 2018, and they announced the Switch's Chinese release April 2019 (with a presentation in August that year). By October they'd been in talks for close to a year. I'm not completely sure the partnership goes both ways either, but if the two ever talked Smash, well, there's only really one major option that Tencent has. Okay, two if one counts Path of Exile (through Grinding Gear Games), but I don't think that Nintendo's keen on that when PoE's seen a PS4 release (2019) and Xbone release (2017) with no mobile release before that, nor even a hint about a Switch port.

And yes, there are LoL music videos. Imagine Dragons made one right before the 2014 World Championship (I do kinda wonder how much in royalties they'd ask if their song was considered... too much for Nintendo probably.).

 

[3BitSaurus]

Yeah, I've seen the job listings, but there's a difference between hiring people with knowledge on the Switch and actually putting out a game for it. Sadly, there's a long history of games being in development for Nintendo consoles and those versions being seen as lower priority than the others, leading to their cancelation if any problems arose. Until I see an announcement, I'll remain skeptical just to be safe.

As for the timeline of development, remember that more DLC was announced in Terry's showcase, and that was shot right after Banjo's, so we know that additional DLC was in the works way before that. Byleth's presentation was probably shot around October-November 2019 and by then the Pass was finalized. That's not a lot of leeway.

The argument could be made that Tencent could have told Nintendo about their plans early on as they're partners, though given Tencent's business tactics I'm not sure the partnership goes both ways.


There's League of Legends... Music videos?

Fair enough - after all Nintendo itself has several deals they infamously walked out on at the last minute.

And yes, Riot makes music videos for League, with mixed results. And for a while now, an artist is called for the World championship theme - though there have been exceptions.

 

[DaUsername]

Abstaining. I'm sick of rating League of Legends.
AT prediction: 0%
Noms: Upgraded Spirit x5

 

[Calamitas]

Mozilla Firefox

Chance: 10%
Well then. League of Legends may be a pretty big game that is also played in eastern countries that has been pretty successful all around. But let's not forget that outside of some rumors, the game has zero connection to Nintendo, and, at the end of the day, is still a game developed by a Western game studio. And considering that the number of big Western characters already in Smash - which, let's remember, is zero - I don't really see it happening. And honestly, I think there's going to be a lot of Western characters in the game before someone like Ahri is even considered.

Want: 0%
Gonna break my personal "don't know, abstain" rule once again here. I just don't want to see a character from this kind of game in Smash.

Nominating Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is primarily First-Party.

Gonna predict the Assist Trophies to get 0%. No decimal, just zero.

 

[Sari]

Day over.

We got ourselves a strange rating today, that being Concept: Auroros, Jyk and Poppant as Assist Trophies. I had no idea who these were at first but I later found out that they are enemies in Brawl's Subspace Emissary mode (you can find out more about them by clicking their names above). This rating essentially means the idea of getting all three as assist trophies via DLC...

...So yeah... rate that and predict Frank West from the Dead Rising series.

Day will end after 24 hours since I already know how this is gonna go. Plus I'm gonna try and end weekday ratings at around noon so they'll be after any possible Direct announcements.

Megadoomer

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I don't think DLC assist trophies would come with songs (or even be a thing to begin with) but just in case here are some Subspace songs:

Spoiler: Subspace Music

 

[Perkilator]

Audi famaaaaaam!
Chance: 0%
I've accepted that DLC Assist Trophies won't a thing. This is purely hypothetical, anyways.

Want: 100%
These three would make pretty cool Assist Trophies nonetheless. Here were my ideas for how they'd perform as such:

-Poppant: Runs around dropping healing items and rocks
-Auroros: Dives into the ground after flying above its target; can be used a throwing item once it gets stuck
-Jyk: Floats around and attacks using a Hydro barrier. It can also follow up with one of two attacks:
>It can turn into a Zap Jyk and spin around (sucking in enemies) until it lets put a burst of electricity
>It can turn into a Flame Jyk and shoot out flames from its spikes, turning either from a T shape to an X shape or vice-versa

Frank West: 35%

Noms:
Xion as Sora's Echo Fighter ×2
Sakura Shinguji ×3

 

[waddledeeonredyoshi]

Name a more iconic trio, I'll wait
Double zeroes
Oh boy, where to start? First of, we have never received additional Assist Trophies or any kind of item through DLC. There doesn't seem to be any kind of demand for them either which makes sense considering how they're viewed by a good portion of the community. Glass cages that deconfirm certain wanted characters for appearing on the roster. Adding more of those just means some characters currently in the running will still not be safe even if they weren't already an AT in the base game or don't have a Spirit event. Even I wouldn't be particularly excited for those for that reason.

Still, even if they for some reason did happen... this would still be the most goddamn random thing we've rated so far. Subspace enemies? As Assist Trophies? Why? Who would care? These aren't even the most recognizable enemies from Subspace. We've got the bird enemy that's only special for being the only common Subspace mook besides the Primids and ROBs to appear in a cutscene, Jyk is basically just a Gordo type of mook and Poppant is just some bucket thing that runs away dropping stuff and appears quite infrequently. They'd just be better of adding a Primid instead. Also do I need to mention this is an extremely specific set of Assist Trophies we're rating. Even if Auroros and Jyk somehow got in, if Poppant never did and we get that dude with a hairdryer for a head instead then this concept would technically still be deconfirmed.

So yeah... they shouldn't bother. Not just with these random enemies but with Assists as DLC in general. They're better of just spending development time elsewhere.

Waste of a day! Shame on you, Perkilator! You're going to the shadow realm.

Frank West: 7.07%
Captain Toad x5

 

[GoodGrief741]

Subspace Emissary was the original Infinity War

Chance: 0%
I don't think it was likely already for us to get DLC ATs. We didn't get them tied to the FPV1 characters despite how much it would have made sense. And we'd have been told if they were in the works. Now standalone ATs seem even less of a priority, I don't think there's much of a demand and in these trying times I'd expect something like this to be scrapped. But if there were, we wouldn't get a random Subspace Emissary mook as one - considering it'd have to sell, and these guys aren't exactly recognizable. All three? That goes into my impossible list.

Want: 100%
Eh, why not? I'm probably the only guy who still likes ATs (despite how much they've wronged me). And for DLC, getting these characters that nobody cares about and that had no shot at playability is the best way to go about ATs.

Noms: ****ing Tidus x5
Frank West prediction: 16.72%

 

[Sari]

When I first heard of this concept I thought we were gonna be rating Aurorus from Pokemon

Chance: 0%
DLC assist trophies have never been a thing and I don't see why they would. If Sakurai did decide "let's add more assist trophies," why go for these 3 random Brawl enemies when there are a million better options? Even if they wanted to represent Subspace through assist trophies, more significant characters like Primid or Tabuu would have priority.

Want: 0%
There are a ton of cool assist trophy ideas out there like boss characters and actual non Smash OC's. I'd much prefer those over something as random as this. Plus I don't really play with assist trophies on anyway so I'm really not clamoring for more of them.

Frank chance prediction: 6.21%

Nominations:
Rex [Rerate] x5

 

[Ninjaed]

Subspace Emissary mooks as ATs

Chance: 1%
Never say never, but I'd never rate them higher than 1% with the info available today. Nintendo doesn't seem to want to give us anything other than fighter packs as DLC so even new ATs seems very very dubious.

Want: 50%
That said, if they were ATs, it'd likely mean other ATs would be here too. I'd actually see them more as a brand new kind of AT, where you can get Subspace Emissary mooks or mooks and such from other games. A lesser AT with a few good mooks, but overall less of a threat than real ATs. I wouldn't want our AT random list to be so bloated by loads and loads of characters that you never get to see some of them, or hardly ever see them. We're headed there and I don't want that, so those mooks giving us a solution like that would be most welcome. (also liked the concept of that bird you dodge then pick off the ground as an item)

Predictions: Frank West - 6%
Nominations:
D.Va x5
Concept: more ATs as one new item x5 (seriously, how should I describe this in so few words?!)

 

[Lyncario]

Subspace assist trio
Chance: 0%
DLC assist trophy are just is not hapening, sadly.

Want: 60%
However, I think that it would be very cool as a throwback, even if Primid should be an AT before them, as Primid are the most generic mook in subspace, and they ven have a bit of request to e playables.

 

[3DSNinja]

Abstain...
Nominations: Shuichi Saihara x5

 

[warpenguin55]

Subspace minions
Chance: 0%
We're not getting DLC assist trophies. Even if they were to happen, they'd be way more likely to just give us back some removed assist trophies from previous games.

Want: 0%
I'd really rather not have to pay for assist trophies. Even if they'd end up being free, I'd rather have the devs working to make sure the DLC fighters are as awesome as they can be

Predict: Frank West 3.25%

Noms: Alex Mason x5

 

[Jomosensual]

The new ATs

Chance 0 - I don't think we're getting DLC ATs unless it's a reskin or straight up replacement for someone. If we do I don't think it'll be Smash original characters who get the bump up. Sad, because I like the subspace enemies but it is what it is

Want 100 - Why not? There's a ton of the old subspace models chilling out and doing nothing. It doesn't really matter if most people probably wont remember them or know who they are. I'm not sure the more casual Smash fans know who every single AT is anyways.

Predictions
Frank West - 2.20%

Noms
Stretchers x5

 

[fogbadge]

hmm interesting idea

chances: 0% now i do believe that just cause something hasnt happened yet doesnt mean it will never happen dlc assist trophies being one of them. however with a smaller dev team i cant see it being one of their priorities. more to the point if they were making ATs i dont think theyd go for these guys. i am willing to believe sakurai would go for more of his own characters by i think kirby enemies would higher on list.

want: 10% i dont think id mind if there were subspace assist trophies but you know there are others id prefer. even as far as subspace enemies go there are others id prefer. though im not against it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Auroros, Jyk, Poppant:

Chances: 0%. AT's have never been actual DLC, and it's still a lot of extra work. Spirits/Trophies, Characters, Stages, and Music are easily higher priority cause they matter way more. Especially since Spirit Battles are a big deal to this game.

Want: 100%, though more in general. I have zero issues with those guys as AT's either. But I generally don't see a thing wrong with any kind of AT unless the particular AT is overly unfair/broken. What character is chosen? No matter.

Predictions: Frank West: 10%

Nominations: Fulgore x 3, Concept: Spirits promotions(I forgot the words I used before...) x 2

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Gonna abstain today. I loved the Subspace Emissary and I'm always happy to see more references to it, but a DLC set of assist trophies with little relevance and no fan demand doesn't seem likely in any regard. They'd be fun to have around but they're pretty much a pipe dream at this point.


Nominations:
Louie x5

Predictions:
Frank West - 0.35%

 

[chocolatejr9]

Abstain. I forgot these guys existed.

Nominations: [Rerate] Rex x5

 

[RealPokeFan11]

Let's rate random enemies from subspace as assist trophies because we're this bored during the speculation drought.

Chance: 0%
I 100% guarantee that Sakurai is entirely focused on adding the new fighters to the pass, rather than adding random subspace enemies as assist trophies... Especially in a time like this with COVID, Sakurai is prioritizing the task at hand. The final nail in the coffin is that these are incredibly random choices. I don't have anything else to say.

Want: Abstain
If we're bringing back subspace enemies, I'd rather bring back Smash Run. I miss that mode.

D.Va x5

 

[Calamitas]

Subspace Emissary 2: Assist Trophying Bogaloo

Chance: 0%
We never got DLC Assist Trophies. What else is there really to be said? . . .Oh, I know: Even if there was a Smash original Assist Trophy, it'd probably be something like Primid or Tabuu. That should be enough reasoning.

Want: 5%
I wouldn't really be against it, but I don't exactly want it, either. I'd honestly prefer a Primid Assist Trophy, since they're more iconic to the Subspace Emissary.

Nominating Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is primarily First-Party x5.

Predicting Frank West to get around 7.21%.

 

[amageish]

#ThrowbackThursday

Chance: 0.00000000001% (round it to zero). Once the dust has settled and the second Fighter Pass has been complete... I could see the 6th fighter coming with a "Final update" that maybe adds in some free new ATs. Yes, they've never done it before, but also Sm4sh development went straight into Smash Ultimate and some Smash Ultimate ATs seem pretty informed by the Sm4sh DLC (ex/ Street Fighter and Bayonetta both got ATs). As this is likely to be the last Smash game of this size, I could see them tossing in some new ATs in the end as a final huzzah. I don't think it's likely but, upon further thought, I think it's possible.

That said, random Brawl enemies? Uh... Maybe if they want to do a throwback pick, but I'd honestly expect either returning cut ATs (I don't understand why some were cut from Sm4sh to Ultimate) or adding in ones related to the new IPs/companies that have joined Smash post-base-game (I mean, it's kind of odd Nakoruru has a Mii costume and a spirit, but isn't a stage cameo).

Want: 80%. I mean, if they're free and new, then I have nothing to complain about. It'd be a cool throwback.

Noms: Moogle x5.
Predictions: Frank West? 3%.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Spoiler: Nominations post-Ahri pre-Concept: Auroros, Jyk and Poppant as Assist Trophies

[Rerate] Rex x180
[Rerate] Steve x155
Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is mostly first-party x135
Louie x125
Concept: Pokéball Pokémon becomes playable x111
Decidueye x107
Meowth x101

100 - 51

The Boss (Saints Row) x100
[Rerate] Kratos x100
Zelda (BotW sequel) x95
Dr. Eggman x93
D.Va x85
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
Sackboy x80
[Rerate] Lip x80
The Stretchers x80
Concept: Upgraded Spirit x78
Proto Man x75
Concept: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon content x61
Fulgore x61
Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors) x60
Nate Adams x60
[Rerate] Frisk x55
Moogle x55
Tidus x55

50 - 25

Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x50
Mii Costume: Jill Stingray x50
Red (Angry Birds) x50
Alex Mason x50
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x50
Boss: Ender Dragon x49
Echo: Zeraora (41e) x45
Concept: Content from currently unreleased game (not Spirit Events) (as of May 17th 2020) x45
The Terrarian x40
Echo: Dark Bowser (14e) x39
Echo: Lord Fredrik (67e) x35
Shuichi Saihara x35
[Rerate] Captain Toad x33
Gooigi x32
Concept: Second F-Zero rep x31
[Rerate] Saki Amamiya x30
Urbosa x30
Giygas x28
Concept: Assist Trophies added in updates x27
Echo: Xion (Sora) x26
Rival Pokémon Trainer x25
Concept: A person of color x25

Under 25

Stage: Bowser's Castle x24
Concept: Returning stages x21
[Rerate] Nightmare x20
Jin Sakai x20
Sakura Shinguji x19
Zeraora x15
Black Shadow x15
[Rerate] Paper Mario x15
Concept: No Spirit promotions x15
Wolf Link x15
Diablo (Diablo) x15
Concept: Dark Souls rep x15
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x10
[Rerate] Agumon x10
[Rerate] Monokuma x10
Gran/Djeeta x10
Lora and Jin x10
Otto Matic x10
The Avatar (Ultima) x10
Neptune (Hyperdimension Neptunia) x10
Concept: Bravely Default rep x10
Concept: Rocket League rep x10
[Rerate] Neku Sakuraba x10
Chell x8
[Rerate] Professor Layton x8
Magolor x7
Taranza x6
Concept: Darkstalkers rep x6
Sparky (Clash Royale) x5
Concept: Overwatch character x5
Asha (Wonder Boy) x5
Mii Costume: Hat Kid x5
Concept: Portal 2 rep x5
Breath of the Wild 2 Ganondorf x5
Tick (Brawl Stars) x5
King Graham x5
Concept: Fortnite character x5
[Rerate] Andy x5
Cooking Mama x5
[Rerate] Toxtricity x5
Jill (Drill Dozer) x5
[Rerate] Takamaru x5
Asuka (Senran Kagura) x5
Furret x5
Deku Scrub x5
Mii Costume: Edward Falcon x5
Concept: A LABO character x5
Cynthia x5
Concept: Bonus character x5
Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is half Nintendo and half third party x5
John Marston x5
Concept: Generic Zora x3
Three Mage Sisters x2
Concept: A Pokémon Trainer who fights x2
Concept: A fighter who uses all kicks x2
[Rerate] Metal Sonic x2
Concept: Generic Goron x2
Mii Costume: Jacket x2
Echo: 40e x1

Moogle and Tidus blitz past 50 noms.

Echo: Xion and Concept: A person of color pass 25 noms.

 

[DanganZilla5]

Subspace enemies as assist trophies

Chance: 0%

I'm going to have to echo what other people have said. If DLC assist trophies were planned, they would have added some by now as they made sense to be added with some of the DLC characters. I believe they are just going to focus on the challenger packs and the Mii costumes and that's it. As for these 3 characters in particular, I can't see all 3 of them, let alone one of them getting in. I could see Sakurai maybe including a subspace character as an assist trophy because to me that seems like something he would do, but even if that happened I'm not confident he would add these 3 specific characters and he would probably prioritize other characters like Tabuu. But since we are discussing DLC assist trophies, there are other characters from a variety of different games that would make more sense as assist trophies especially since there is virtually no demand for these subspace characters.

In other words, I would be surprised if they skipped over characters like Geese Howard, Gruntilda, or even other first party characters as assist trophy material, but then they randomly added some enemies from Subspace Emissary.

Want: 25%

These guys would be cool. I'm not the biggest fan of Subspace Emissary as I thought it was tedious and the mechanics didn't mesh well with the gameplay in my opinion. But I still had fun with it, the cutscenes were great, and overall it was a momentous part of Smash history. It would be nice to see more of it represented and these 3 characters would add their own unique shtick to the assist trophy catalog. But if I had to choose assist trophies to introduce into the game, I would rather have it be other Subspace characters like Tabuu and characters like Rayquazza and Porky that were significant to Subspace. I would also prefer assist trophies for new characters like say an Atari character like Centipede and Dig Dug.

Prediction: Frank West - 10% (Judging by these predictions, people have more faith in him than I thought)

Noms: The Boss (Saints Row) x5

 

[fogbadge]

Spoiler: Nominations post-Ahri pre-Concept: Auroros, Jyk and Poppant as Assist Trophies

[Rerate] Rex x180
[Rerate] Steve x155
Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is mostly first-party x135
Louie x125
Concept: Pokéball Pokémon becomes playable x111
Decidueye x107
Meowth x101

100 - 51

The Boss (Saints Row) x100
[Rerate] Kratos x100
Zelda (BotW sequel) x95
Dr. Eggman x93
D.Va x85
Concept: Darksiders rep x80
Sackboy x80
[Rerate] Lip x80
The Stretchers x80
Concept: Upgraded Spirit x78
Proto Man x75
Concept: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon content x61
Fulgore x61
Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors) x60
Nate Adams x60
[Rerate] Frisk x55
Moogle x55
Tidus x55

50 - 25

Dwight Fairfield (Dead by Daylight) x50
Mii Costume: Jill Stingray x50
Red (Angry Birds) x50
Alex Mason x50
Concept: SNES-era Final Fantasy rep x50
Boss: Ender Dragon x49
Echo: Zeraora (41e) x45
Concept: Content from currently unreleased game (not Spirit Events) (as of May 17th 2020) x45
The Terrarian x40
Echo: Dark Bowser (14e) x39
Echo: Lord Fredrik (67e) x35
Shuichi Saihara x35
[Rerate] Captain Toad x33
Gooigi x32
Concept: Second F-Zero rep x31
[Rerate] Saki Amamiya x30
Urbosa x30
Giygas x28
Concept: Assist Trophies added in updates x27
Echo: Xion (Sora) x26
Rival Pokémon Trainer x25
Concept: A person of color x25

Under 25

Stage: Bowser's Castle x24
Concept: Returning stages x21
[Rerate] Nightmare x20
Jin Sakai x20
Sakura Shinguji x19
Zeraora x15
Black Shadow x15
[Rerate] Paper Mario x15
Concept: No Spirit promotions x15
Wolf Link x15
Diablo (Diablo) x15
Concept: Dark Souls rep x15
[Rerate] Jin Kazama x10
[Rerate] Agumon x10
[Rerate] Monokuma x10
Gran/Djeeta x10
Lora and Jin x10
Otto Matic x10
The Avatar (Ultima) x10
Neptune (Hyperdimension Neptunia) x10
Concept: Bravely Default rep x10
Concept: Rocket League rep x10
[Rerate] Neku Sakuraba x10
Chell x8
[Rerate] Professor Layton x8
Magolor x7
Taranza x6
Concept: Darkstalkers rep x6
Sparky (Clash Royale) x5
Concept: Overwatch character x5
Asha (Wonder Boy) x5
Mii Costume: Hat Kid x5
Concept: Portal 2 rep x5
Breath of the Wild 2 Ganondorf x5
Tick (Brawl Stars) x5
King Graham x5
Concept: Fortnite character x5
[Rerate] Andy x5
Cooking Mama x5
[Rerate] Toxtricity x5
Jill (Drill Dozer) x5
[Rerate] Takamaru x5
Asuka (Senran Kagura) x5
Furret x5
Deku Scrub x5
Mii Costume: Edward Falcon x5
Concept: A LABO character x5
Cynthia x5
Concept: Bonus character x5
Concept: Fighter Pass Volume 2 is half Nintendo and half third party x5
John Marston x5
Concept: Generic Zora x3
Three Mage Sisters x2
Concept: A Pokémon Trainer who fights x2
Concept: A fighter who uses all kicks x2
[Rerate] Metal Sonic x2
Concept: Generic Goron x2
Mii Costume: Jacket x2
Echo: 40e x1

Moogle and Tidus blitz past 50 noms.

Echo: Xion and Concept: A person of color pass 25 noms.

did my rating of league despite my lack of knowledge?

 

[BowserKing]

Auroros, Jyk and Poppant

Chance: 1%. Yeah, I don't see them getting in as assists, at least in this game. They could in a potential sequel however, and it would be nice for more subspace representation.

Want: 60%. I'll be up for more Subspace representation, and they would be great choices. It also means that people would be likely to recreate Subspace in their videos (and it would be a good one too). Overall, it is a great choice for Assist trophies

Prediction: Frank West (10%)

Noms: 2 for Boss: Rayquaza and 3 for Stage: Bowser's Castle

 

[PeridotGX]

the warriors three

Chance - 0%. I agree with everything that has been said today. I will note that if there were to be new assists, these three would be pretty reasonable, simply because copy-pasting assets from Brawl would be easy.

Want - Abstain. Subspace was cool and all, but I don't remember if for the generic grunts. I would feel nothing if they got in.

Noms: PMD representation x5

 

[GoodGrief741]

did my rating of league despite my lack of knowledge?

You didn't say anything wrong, per se. Or at least, you still reached 4 sentences that didn't have false information. Your post was mostly opinion-based, and there's nothing wrong with that.

While I do fact-check, I rarely discount incorrect sentences just for the hell of it. Generally what it takes is for the mistake to be blatantly wrong (i.e. saying that Dr. Coyle Is a man, it's a mistake you can't make if you did even the slightest research) or that it was pointed out, and therefore that it could have been corrected (that took out a lot of sentences for people that wrote that Destiny belongs to Activision, for example). Most cases fall into one of the two.

 

[NintenRob]

Double 0
Have to agree with the crowd here, we're probably not going to get an assist trophy dlc.
And if we did, why these three? Poppant is sort of memorable but really?
I did love Subspace but it's generic enemies were one of its most notable flaws.
I do agree with amageish though that maybe they do a big final update that adds more assists but I highly doubt it honestly.


Nominate person of colour x5

Frank prediction 6.21%

 

[Sid-cada]

Subspace Assist trophies

Chance - 0% - ...you're asking people to pay for assist trophies. Even if they were free, would anyone actually care enough to download? Even if we were to get Assist trophies, why these guys? Primids are more iconic mooks and Tabu was a major enemy, so why not pick those?

Want - 0% - I wouldn't download this even if it was free. Any time spent on this would probably be better off somewhere else.


Nominations

Lip X5

 

[amageish]

Chance - 0% - ...you're asking people to pay for assist trophies. Even if they were free, would anyone actually care enough to download? Even if we were to get Assist trophies, why these guys? Primids are more iconic mooks and Tabu was a major enemy, so why not pick those?

I'm not the person who nominated the topic, but I imagine the premise would be they'd be free and automatically added via update? It's not like they make us go to the eShop and download every DLC spirit event.

 

[Perkilator]

I'm not the person who nominated the topic, but I imagine the premise would be they'd be free and automatically added via update? It's not like they make us go to the eShop and download every DLC spirit event.

Yeah, this was my idea. My mote expanded version of this idea is if they made Assist Trophies part of Challenger Packs.

...Maybe I should've concept nominated that instead.

 

[RouffWestie]

These Enemies as Assists
Chance: 0%
I don't think there's going to be any Assist Trophy DLC. If there were, it wouldn't include these four. They're pretty random choices.
Want: 0%
There's just some random Subspace enemies. I don't see why they should be brought back as Assist Trophies. I'd only be interested in more guest appearances.

Nominations: Lip x5