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It'll be sweet Dave. The last tournament was a ****ing blast, it'll be ace to have some serious melee time if all the old crew turns up. Who knows, i may even get my brawl on.
Yey Joshy coming to play <3 Melee for everyone. I just played some Canadians and it was ****ing refreshing
YOU GOT A NEW CAR ****! WTFS SIFNT DRIVE ME AND NICK AROUND GAWD! i think you should toal drive to mine next time =D then you can take us to subwayAt the start of this year i had 299 posts. Now look at it. All constructive too not just "i hate brawlz sf4 is betars"
Don't just look at your last couple. Look at every post you've made in this thread. I don't even think more than 5% have been on topic.
But anyway lets save the arguments for our respective state thread.
Cao i got a new car today its a beast. Really roomy too. Should make for a great road trip on the way to the tourny.
Do you mind waiting til tommorow?Waits patiently for Vyse's rebuttle.
Noooooooooooo.
Tibz isn't going anymore - a dagger through my heart...
Those two things can be true. I don't see why I can't. Also for this tournament in particular I am concerned about the fact that entrants have to pay $15 already to get in. Brawl is the growth game, not Melee, which is why I made the compromise to appease the Melee players. That is, the only pool of players I could possibly alienate when it comes to Melee are it's core base players such as yourself.Ok first off. If your going to say things like:
Originally Posted by Caotique
if ramdoms are going to be turned away from a tourney because of $5 or so, they're not even competitive enough anyway. They don't matter in the long run
Originally Posted by Vyse
That.
I think is what I needed to read.
Don't Say:
Originally Posted by Vyse
I want to host tournaments that are competitive, but still offer enough variety to attract new people to it.
What I meant by my stage list post is that we should pick ONE of either Pokemon Stadium/Lylat/Delfino/Castle Siege to fill the last slot. This would make a list of 5.Now i have looked over things and seems were debating one neutral stage. What counterpicks you want you haven't expressed. I don't think anyway? Direct me if you have.
So we have both agreed on:
Final Destination
Battlefield
Smashville
You think:
Yoshis island(Brawl)
With the inclusion and/of:
Pokemon Stadium
Delfino Plaza
Lylat Cruise
Castle Siege
I'm using both the theorhetical practicality (and for the record, we have used it before. Or at least at any tournament I've made it available at, I've used it in every match) and evidence of its success in America.Now one of your main basis of arugment has been the fact that even though these stages don't fit into parameters of my stage list that:
Originally Posted by Vyse
If you don't like Yoshi's Island (Brawl) and Castle Siege? Strike em! Simple as that.
Stage striking itself has not been implemented (properly) and yet without debate such as the current one seems to have be forced upon. This has not once been debated at all for this tournament yet you use it as reasoning to combat the use of stages that have not been agreed apon.
Having two platforms, as opposed to no platforms, is a crucial component. They impact upon people who may rely on projectile camping as a strategy and provide a far more balanced stage lay out than a completely flat stage like FD.However i will address your pros for each stage.
Poke Stadium:
Adv:
- Nice flat stage - Agreed.
- Two platforms - Advantage How?
- Transformations are mostly balanced and not permanent - Mostly? Not good enough. Transformed stages entirely unbalanced.
It is a definite platform. It doesn't disappear. By definite I mean it's a physical stage component that can't be fallen through.Lylat Cruise:
Adv:
- Single definite platform - Definite? You even say in your Cons that it moves.
- Three platforms - Again advantage how?
I won't argue with you here because I too believe this stage to be too unbalanced to be a starter.Delfino Plaza:
Adv:
- Flat stage with varying platforms (most of the time) - Too much varying (most of the time)
- Transformations not permanent - Being permanent or not means nothing. Your opponent will not wait for the stage to transform back. Transformed stages entirely unbalanced.
Platforms prevent walkoff abuse by giving you multiple tiers of the stage to camp and avoid the opponent on. The platforms are substantial in size and do allow for camping.Castle Siege:
Adv:
- Flat Stage - Agreed.
- Varying Platforms preventing projectile camping and walkoff abuse - The 2nd transformation is nothing but walk off abuse. How do the platforms prevent this?
- Transformations extremely predictable (They never change in order) - Contradiction. I think you mean they always change in order. Which is not an advantage if what they transform into are unbalanced. Same reason as above as well.
And I've disputed that earlier, though so you can quote my stage striking argument back if you want to I'll write it again so you can address it by itself.You've also included:
Originally Posted by Vyse
Because of this wonderful thing called stage striking you don't have to play on this stage if you perceive your opponent to be one to attempt to abuse this. (Every matchup outside of Dedede should be able to play on this stage without too much hassle).
I've given reason about stage striking already.
You should know this Ryan. Not every stage is suited for tournament play. I could tell you how to camp on Hyrule Temple, but there's no way I would allow that for tournament play.And go on to say:
Originally Posted by Vyse
Even if you do end up facing Dedede here, you can simply camp the multiple platforms and play keep away until the transformation ends.
You shouldn't have to implicate camping and "play keep away" just to compensate for a unbalanced stage. Otherwise put every stage in and tell us exactly where to camp on every stage so that it keeps it balanced.
Yoshi's Island has a definite platform with a single long over head platform which stifles projectile campers. There's hardly a thing wrong with this stage and offers a few tricks to different characters.And you have given no reason for yoshis island brawl except for the fact that:
Originally Posted by Vyse
Yoshi's Island (Brawl) is more neutral than Final Destination. A flat stage without platforms makes for a very one sided match against a skilled Diddy/Snake/ROB/Anyone who benefits from so much open space.
Doesnt fit into the parameters set. And your basing your argument here on character advantage not stage.
First off how do you know those stages are going to be chosen every time? Whenever I played people using stage striking at past tournaments, they almost never wound up on those stages.Vyse it seems like you want to have 5 stages for some reason. That it's an absolute must. But why is this? You say:
Originally Posted by Vyse
we need 5. I think 3 starters is dangerously low (even if most of the time those three are the ones chosen through stage striking)
Dangerously low how? And if these are the three that are going to be chosen through stage striking anyway whats the point of having the others.
Which is why I've taken yours and everyone else's concerns into account and have drafted the current proposed ruleset. I agree with your philosophy, but not at the expense of my own. If we lived in America it'd be different. But until we have a smash scene as active as Melborune or (and especially) New South Wales with multiple TO's organising tournaments, I am forced to make compromise in lieu of catering for specific player groups.Nothing is more serious than when your playing for money. This is competitive play this is to prove who exactly is the better player. Its not about how fun the game is. When your playing friendlies pick any stage you want it doesn't matter. But when your playing for someones hard earned cash. A more serious approach is definetly needed.
Haha Sure thing.Ryan, you ****ing gun. I call shottie <3333333
We really don't have enough smashers. However i feel i'll hold a tournament sometime this year.Which is why I've taken yours and everyone else's concerns into account and have drafted the current proposed ruleset. I agree with your philosophy, but not at the expense of my own. If we lived in America it'd be different. But until we have a smash scene as active as Melborune or (and especially) New South Wales with multiple TO's organising tournaments, I am forced to make compromise in lieu of catering for specific player groups.
Which sucks cause I do wanna run a tournament with a list like the one you proposed
I <3 You RyanWe really don't have enough smashers. However i feel i'll hold a tournament sometime this year.
Depends on time really.What were your thoughts on best of 5 For Winners Finals and Losers Finals?
FIGHT CLUBRyan. You and me. Let's run a big Queenland major someday. We just need a name that's from a Movie. Single word. I can do the rest
you might not be good with falco or japes.. even if u win u still have to put up with their counterpick on that. so it means first match is very important. v. winner of first match has greater chance of winning.That's the whole point. Otherwise it's far too disadvantageous to give the other player the ability to both counter pick stage AND character based on the opponent's choice.
If the winner goes Dedede, you could just go Falco + Japes = GG
=(, i was soo sad when i found out nova couldnt come, its a real shame... i wanted to meet him xD, theres always another time hehMy partner for the doubles, MetaNova had to dropout . Is there anyone still looking for a partner?
team with me attila >=O and we do epic double lucas rapage XD lmfao, well im more out for fun so if i was gonna partner with you i would need to be a bit more better (doesnt wanna be crap and make us loose lawl) so yeah if your desperate and cant find anyone we can team =)turns out i dont have a partner... volunteers?
you wont need to concern yourself with Snowboard kids 2, the title is already in my hands i can feel itteam with me attila >=O and we do epic double lucas rapage XD lmfao, well im more out for fun so if i was gonna partner with you i would need to be a bit more better (doesnt wanna be crap and make us loose lawl) so yeah if your desperate and cant find anyone we can team =)
im more excited for teh snowboard kids 2 rounds, i used to be obsessed with that game <3
You might go well, we don't know how many are enteringyou wont need to concern yourself with Snowboard kids 2, the title is already in my hands i can feel it