I simply do not think this is true. Most moves either clank or have no exchange if they are done the same time in melee. AFAIK port priority in Melee only affected same frame grabs and same frame edge hogs, and smaller things. Not attacks.
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Project M Social Thread
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Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
Things port priority affects.
2 attacks hitting the same character in oposite directions with the same knockback (determines which way they go).
Grabs happening on the same frame.
Multiple characters picking up an item on the same frame.
Grabbing the ledge on the same frame.
Characters occuping the same exact spot (port closer to 4 is shoved).
I'm probably missing a few, but port priority pretty much applies whenever things that can't be possible at the same time...are trying to happen at the same time. Brawl added port priority to characters getting hit while in a grabbed or grabbing state (which is dumb), but overall port priority is only a minor concern.
I R MarF
Smash Ace
Lol. How is meleefying D3's CGs a nerf? Diddy's bannanas got meleefied, MK was nerfed before he got a chance in the Melee enviroment, and ICs are losing their hand offs. Making D3's dthrow a less Brawly CG isn't really anything new.
EDIT: Also, some of the PMBR said that infinites are poor design, so his CGs would get nerfed anyway.
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
No but for reals guys... did it actually get solved?
GP&B
Ike 'n' Ike
No.
10no's.
10no's.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
lol you are such a troll...of course not.
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
I'm seriously not trolling. I promise.
Last time I was here it was in the title. It's not now. I had a glimmer of hope that maybe it got solved which would be awesome. Only posted again cause the only reply was the "you may never know" thing.
Sucks, but I'm still wicked stoked for this to hit open.
Last time I was here it was in the title. It's not now. I had a glimmer of hope that maybe it got solved which would be awesome. Only posted again cause the only reply was the "you may never know" thing.
Sucks, but I'm still wicked stoked for this to hit open.
Stevo
Smash Champion
what is this projects position on ledge occupancy, especially when concerning rolling up from the ledge. (and ledge attack)
will the lengthy edge occupancy after the roll be maintained from melee?
(perhaps it already is)
and my next question then would be
should it stay the same as melee? my guess is the answer to this is yes because the main audience is melee platyers, but I havn't seen this discussed really, so forgive me if it's been brought up already a bunch.
will the lengthy edge occupancy after the roll be maintained from melee?
(perhaps it already is)
and my next question then would be
should it stay the same as melee? my guess is the answer to this is yes because the main audience is melee platyers, but I havn't seen this discussed really, so forgive me if it's been brought up already a bunch.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
sorry mercutio! didnt mean to insult u or anything just really seemed like it 
ynnek123
Smash Ace
Don't worry, stingers is the troll of pm
LiQViD
Smash Cadet
As far as I can tell from videos it seems that this is not implemented yet. I don't know if it will be, but I think it should. EG Ike is practically impossible otherwise.
Krautrock
Smash Apprentice
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The developers haven't taken a firm stance on the issue in this thread as far as I know - at one point someone (I think Jcaesar?) said Melee ledge occupancy was pretty stupid and should not return. Later on I believe someone else said it was crucial to the Melee feel and would be returning. Either way it's a substantial coding challenge, so in the event they (read: Dantarion) can't figure it out, Brawl occupancy will stay.
I actually agree with both statements: it's an important part of the Melee feel, but is also pretty stupid. Whether or not it should return is up in the air.
I apologize if I've conveyed any incorrect information... This is all from what I can recall lurking this thread since April. I'd like to hear the developers' current stance.
I actually agree with both statements: it's an important part of the Melee feel, but is also pretty stupid. Whether or not it should return is up in the air.
I apologize if I've conveyed any incorrect information... This is all from what I can recall lurking this thread since April. I'd like to hear the developers' current stance.
Shadic
Alakadoof?
Pretty sure you're accurate, Krautrock. I think if we get a code working, we're going to try somewhere between Brawl and Melee levels.
Stevo
Smash Champion
+ 1 vote for this (not that my vote counts for anything, especially since Dant = 9000 votes)
I think that is one of the things I would change about melee
could have it a bit longer than brawl though, but I only played brawl for a week, so Im not really sure how long it is.
oh and thx for the responses
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genkaku
Guest
I'm pretty sure if landing detection was fixed there would be at least... 2 posts of gratitude.
Ulevo
Smash Master
So, if I may ask the question... Although alleviating the daunting task of actually implementing landing detection would be a nice bonus, is there REALLY any reason for you guys to not just, you know. Look at all the benefits landing detection gave to every character in Melee, and then alter the frame rates as of now to reflect landing detections effects? Or is there some crucial piece I am missing here that just won't make it "feel quite right" if you do that?
I'm all for bringing back techniques and such, but if you're trying to ensure that characters land on their knees instead of their feet to achieve a similar, if not the exact same result, wouldn't that be a better method?
By the way, I want Project: M for my christmas present, please.
i noticed Air Dodging onto stage is being used alot more frequent in P:M than it ever was in Melee (not sure if it's safer or wat-not)
also it's obviously easier to get ahold of the ledge since either you can grab the ledge sooner after AD'ing or it's just character ledge reaches are still too long.
and should they be able to grab the ledge backwards from an AD? ...idk
EDIT: @Ulevo
doing that would just allow some techniques to become possible (not all) but it wouldn't bring back the feel we all want. Project M should keep striving for landing detection until
it seems completely impossible.
also it's obviously easier to get ahold of the ledge since either you can grab the ledge sooner after AD'ing or it's just character ledge reaches are still too long.
and should they be able to grab the ledge backwards from an AD? ...idk
EDIT: @Ulevo
doing that would just allow some techniques to become possible (not all) but it wouldn't bring back the feel we all want. Project M should keep striving for landing detection until
it seems completely impossible.
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
But, like I said, I really haven't checked this thread in awhile.
Since no one near me has this, and I'm not in the back room(as I'm neither good at coding or a Melee/Brawl pro) it's kind of like going to the strip club for me.
Yeah it's fun to look and all. But I'm just gunna go home with my nuts hurting.
Since no one near me has this, and I'm not in the back room(as I'm neither good at coding or a Melee/Brawl pro) it's kind of like going to the strip club for me.
Yeah it's fun to look and all. But I'm just gunna go home with my nuts hurting.
Grim Tuesday
Smash Legend
No, they shouldn't.
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
I wish I could, but that's like a two and half ish hour drive for me man.
that's what I'm sayin
cubaisdeath
Smash Lord
right now its the same as the b+ dthrow. DDD can still CG a bunch of characters. I don't see how chaingrabs that are escapable are a problem, seeing as they require skill, almost more skill now that you can't grab people behind you.
EDIT: ICs can CG just fine. its part of their game, it always has been. thats why controlling two characters at the same time is a terrible idea, and sakurai will forever have to live with the fact that he created a character centralized around being gay lol
You would know about it if it was, trust me.
its not safer, you are probably just watching a lot of my videos lol. I've always airdodged to the stage a lot in melee, I don't know why, I just think its a good mix up. Its also very common for snake, since his aerial game and recovery are complete garbage.
ruhtraeel
Smash Ace
So um...
What IS the seemingly diffcult issue to fix about landing detection? Like, codewise, what's making it so hard to fix?
I probably wouldn't know but I would like to tackle it if it's in the right language
What IS the seemingly diffcult issue to fix about landing detection? Like, codewise, what's making it so hard to fix?
I probably wouldn't know but I would like to tackle it if it's in the right language
DarkDragoon
Smash Champion
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
for Lucario, at first, I was like ":D"
but then I saw that his burners went out and he never really used aura in his attacks "D:"
is this because the aura effect when applied to Lucario actually lets his attacks "scale", thus removing them makes them a constant ratio that isn't affected by percent?
but then I saw that his burners went out and he never really used aura in his attacks "D:"
is this because the aura effect when applied to Lucario actually lets his attacks "scale", thus removing them makes them a constant ratio that isn't affected by percent?
Archangel
Smash Hero
I heard a rumor that DDD was finally being worked on.....I smiled. That is all
*lurks*
*lurks*
I R MarF
Smash Ace
Hmm... old and overused lurk jokes are old and overused.
Yeah, I agree. CGs are good if players can tech/DI out of it. And I won't miss IC's Handoffs, but if they still have crazy grab combos I'm good.
Gardevior
Smash Lord
Can a PMBRer explain how Lucario works now, please?
standardtoaster
Tubacabra
Count_Kaiser made lucario, he would be best to explain it.
Kink-Link5
Smash Hero
Any physics changes to Lucario would be nice to know too: dgrav, FF speed, air maneuverability/speed, ugrav, etc.
Stevo
Smash Champion
this is the second time this guy has asked
someone should at least fill him in a little bit. Who knows, maybe he CAN help.
Revven
FrankerZ
His gravity is similar to Mewtwo's (NOT the exact same) so he's no longer as ridiculously as floaty as before but also isn't identical to Mewtwo's floatiness (due to being different characters obv).
Derkis
Smash Cadet
I could be wrong, but I think it's in assembly. In that case, it's so difficult because you're trudging through machine code changing values and testing their effects on the game.
Anth0ny
Smash Master
I still don't understand how nothing came out of this video =(
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