PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[Divinokage]

Is there ever a good time to be stuck in shine?

Sometimes in teams you can stall way up there if ever theres a need to wait for your ally. Or maybe sometimes mindgame something off-stage to bait... just wait in shine until the opponent goes off-stage then you can hit or something. lol. It's mainly for bait purposes for sure.

 

[crush]

When you're waiting for Randall while recovering so you keep shine stalling until Randall comes out.

 

[straight8]

hold shine after aerial to bait them to think you fuked up

=D

 

[genkaku]

rapid jab is OP

lol

 

[Mokumo]

You can keep doing shine in midair to wait for the barrel on kj64

 

[crush]

You can keep doing shine in midair to wait for the barrel on kj64

same thing can be applied on brinstar and rainbow cruise and dream land and FoD and Pokemon stadium.

theoretically if you're color blind it can help you on every legal stage except battlefield

 

[Black_jo]

Nono, if you want to be flashy, CHARGE the fsmash. Fsmash is really fast and you have time to charge it as they roll. (Though I still disapprove)

I swear I see the no charge fsmash read sometimes and it doesn't serve either purpose very well

edit: I suppose the walk -> no charge fsmash is useful if you think they'll run through you during invincibility though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QETXxyXEoA
at 7:23. It also make the opponent looks bad

 

[Jake13]

I have an odd bad habbit where I NEVER roll.

I have the same habbit of never spot dodging

It only happens if I mess somthing up

 

[mers]

hold shine after aerial to bait them to think you fuked up

=D

This is so good. Hold it for a split second longer than usual on someones shield, then dair or something. It works really well.

 

[crush]

shine short hop fadeback up-b on their shield>they shield grab>"umad bro?"

 

[FoxLisk]

today i was playing the irish mafia and he was shino stalling with sheik so i up-bd on stage and did that janky angle where you can get a turnaruond ledgegrab. for the win.

i ****.

 

[genkaku]

foxlisk *****

 

[Pi]

falco players, don't get hit for lasering
the 2% is not worth it

 

[LumpyCPU...]

yeah i see so many falco's (even good ones) take damage or lose stocks because they jumped toward the opponent with a laser without considering the spacing.

 

[Pi]

& it's not like falco is without other good priority moves lol

 

[Battlecow]

falco players, don't get hit

FYP, dude.

 

[straight8]

yeah i see so many falco's (even good ones) take damage or lose stocks because they jumped toward the opponent with a laser without considering the spacing.

maybe they just tried to make a read.. cant make too many generalizations about falcos trading laser for damage. like expecting a backwards roll and spacing their laser for that, then gettng hit because there was no roll.

 

[Pi]

maybe they just tried to make a read.. cant make too many generalizations about falcos trading laser for damage. like expecting a backwards roll and spacing their laser for that, then gettng hit because there was no roll.

in most situations like that you'll find there is usually a better, safer, option to guess with

i think most falco's are just used to their lasers, for the most part, being such a controlling factor of the match that they get too comfortable with throwing them out

it's important to realize that even if a move is good, if it gets predicted it can be punished, lasers, shines, marth's fair, there are no exceptions

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Empty short hops or late aerials over lasering too good.

 

[ShroudedOne]

It's kinda rare (as far as I've watched videos, anyways) that a shine gets punished...but nothing is safe in this game.

 

[Druggedfox]

Shine is pretty easy to punish with range, you have a reasonable frame window to punish it.

 

[Niko45]

Marth grab punishes Falco shine all the time.

 

[Strong Badam]

there are 2 frames after the hitbox where both are stuck. then each have to go through 3 (fox) or 5 (falco) frames of jumpsquat where they are vulnerable. then unless they doubleshine or wavedash they're vulnerable in the air for at least 3 frames before their fastest aerials come out.

 

[genkaku]

if faster fingers made the better player then Peepee would be writing a Dark post right now.

 

[ShroudedOne]

there are 2 frames after the hitbox where both are stuck. then each have to go through 3 (fox) or 5 (falco) frames of jumpsquat where they are vulnerable. then unless they doubleshine or wavedash they're vulnerable in the air for at least 3 frames before their fastest aerials come out.

Well, that's about 10 frames for Falco after shine, and 8 frames for Fox, assuming that they use their fastest aerial as soon as they possibly can. So, if Falco were to shine, and then do his fastest aerial, the opponent would have 1/6th of a second to react, I think. Hmmm. But can someone react to shine coming out and punish them in that ten frames, is what I want to know. That's like .1666 reaction time...

 

[choknater]

dark post coming in 2 weeks

 

[Druggedfox]

You don't go for shine punishes on reactions, generally >_>

 

[LumpyCPU...]

it's about to come

 

[ArcNatural]

Well, that's about 10 frames for Falco after shine, and 8 frames for Fox, assuming that they use their fastest aerial as soon as they possibly can. So, if Falco were to shine, and then do his fastest aerial, the opponent would have 1/6th of a second to react, I think. Hmmm. But can someone react to shine coming out and punish them in that ten frames, is what I want to know. That's like .1666 reaction time...

It's more of a general prediction. If you your opponent always aerials late or aerials early after the shine. You can sort of "time the grab" through their whole shffl sequence. IE you know when the shine is going to hit and you grab accordingly.

 

[JPOBS]

I had a nice post written up about punishing shine but then smashboards ate it.

So now, I'm just going to say that shine is punished all the time just by outspacing. You don't react to shine to punish it, you just account for the shine and outspace it. You see this all the time from sheik/marth/falcon techchases.

 

[crush]

Sometimes to defeat a shine, you need to use a shine.

**

 

[SSBMLahti]

Sometimes to defeat a shine, you need to use a shine.

**

It's your day to shine, crush!

 

[Divinokage]

Rise and Shine, Raynex combo video. lol.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Well, accounting for shine certainly makes more sense than having .1666 reaction time...

 

[crush]

It's your day to shine, crush!

This is my moment, my moment...

And I always try and avoid the shine at all costs since shine usually = stock.

 

[Van.]

Mango post this weekend.

So hype

 

[crush]

Lion king in 3D cancelled
antihype.
but the mango post makes up for it **

 

[FoxLisk]

This is my moment, my moment...

if you had one moment. one opportunity. would you seize it... or just let it slip?

 

[crush]

if you had one moment. one opportunity. would you seize it... or just let it slip?

no i was thinking of "my moment" by rebecca black not eminem

 

[FoxLisk]

no i was thinking of "my moment" by rebecca black not eminem

FRIDAY FIRDAY GETTIN INFRACTED ON FRIDAY for spamming im sorry mogwai ill stop now