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PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread
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Sinji
Smash Master
All you gatta do is grab Armada. Theirs a lot vids where i see armada holds his shield, the opponent aerials and gets nair oos for it. Honestly, I was watching over the first Genesis when Mango got back his confidence in game 2.5 and their was a lot of times when Armada would hold his shield and Mango would punish him by grabbing.
Europeans play styles are defensive. Grab a lot and you'll be surprised how well your playing.
Europeans play styles are defensive. Grab a lot and you'll be surprised how well your playing.
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
the masked fighter is wise beyond her years
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
i like when people talk about armada like they play him all the time.
he's on a level i never thought possible with peach.
i just watched g2 grand finals.
if mango's fox played it a LITTLE less aggressive, who knows how that would've played out.
mango's momentum was what made him look so godly, so maybe he didn't wanna give that up and play at armada's pace.
i want to see a john free PP play them both in that kind of environment.
he's on a level i never thought possible with peach.
i just watched g2 grand finals.
if mango's fox played it a LITTLE less aggressive, who knows how that would've played out.
mango's momentum was what made him look so godly, so maybe he didn't wanna give that up and play at armada's pace.
i want to see a john free PP play them both in that kind of environment.
Let's hope he goes back to being the Hugh Hefner that he is (tryhard winning all the time Mango) and that his loss at G2 should be considered motivation.
crush
Smash Master
this is the only non-troll post you've ever posted. donut even attempt to cover your tracks
I rarely eat donuts.
crush
Smash Master
but you're canadian..............
~Twitch~
Smash Master
wooo i'm so there.
crush
Smash Master
whens the smashfest pp? ill come
stingers
Smash Obsessed
next thursday
Fortress | Sveet
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Did this make anyone else laugh :Dwooo i'm so there.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
For once i actually agree with Sinji. Armada is free to tomahawk grabs. There was a point in his set vs mango when mango tomahawk grabs the back of his shield and goes for upthrow upair but armada sdi's it, and then literally 2 seconds later mango just redoes it and kills him.
Armada is so comfortable in his shield, mixing in a ton of empty hop grabs would probbably be way better that constantly eating nairs and bairs OOS. its too bad falco's grab game isn't as good as fox's.
not saying armada wouldn't/couldn't adjust
crush
Smash Master
you guys gotta keep in mind that you cant just keep on grabbing armada
armada is the king of campbells chicken noodle adaptability so obviously he wont keep getting grabbed
armada is the king of campbells chicken noodle adaptability so obviously he wont keep getting grabbed
Bamesy
Smash Ace
What these guys said vvvvv
It's just as good an option as all the others though, adjusting or not, it's a good option too.
It's Fox sure, but you can do that stuff with Falco npnp
AKA Grab More
He won't keep getting... ANYTHING! lol
It's just as good an option as all the others though, adjusting or not, it's a good option too.
AKA Grab More
AKA Grab More
lol
Count the number of times he approaches with shield, and how sexy it is.
It's Fox sure, but you can do that stuff with Falco npnp
Bamesy
Smash Ace
G
genkaku
Guest
sometimes when I put a really specific angle in (something like 10 degrees) for my upB it will come out as a horizontal and I die.
Why?
Why?
crush
Smash Master
Because you missed the point.
straight8
Banned via Warnings
well you have just had one tournament where you can tomahawk grab armada
that tournament is now past. have fun doing it again, ever
EDIT: relying on it, i mean. sure you can do it, but its not the answer. I dont think there is an "answer" to beating armada, stop trying to make it so easy.
that tournament is now past. have fun doing it again, ever
EDIT: relying on it, i mean. sure you can do it, but its not the answer. I dont think there is an "answer" to beating armada, stop trying to make it so easy.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Armada has crazy reaction time and spacing. Whenever I tried getting a grab like that, I got naired out of shield.. You have to stop being dumb and do things when it counts that's all.. That's all but you gotta be ****ing good. =)
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
when you find something to exploit in armada's game, he just fixes it mid set.
universal adapter.
universal adapter.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Tomahawk grab is too simple to work just like that, it's a mix-up during pressure moments.
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he did better than everyone posting in this thread recently would have
cept brookman, of course.
cept brookman, of course.
SuperMatt
Smash Champion
question...you know how if you hit a fox's up B with a weak down air with falco, the fox gets spiked and the falco gets hit and lives?
is this reliable enough to go for every time?
it would be a 100% kill every time if it worked
is this reliable enough to go for every time?
it would be a 100% kill every time if it worked
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
i wouldn't have taken a match in the first round of pools.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
how do you consistently get the weak dair trade?
I would go for it all the time if I knew how to do it on purpose cuz it lets you go way out and cover angles that you normally can't. But idk how to do it reliably lol
I would go for it all the time if I knew how to do it on purpose cuz it lets you go way out and cover angles that you normally can't. But idk how to do it reliably lol
I'm pretty sure. . .this is sarcastic to the point of being correct.
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
Weak dair trade? Usually the way you can do it is actually with a strong dair by just delaying it so that your dair hitbox comes out as fox is like...inside your feet essentially. I'm pretty sure thats how it works anyway; fox is just close enough to hit you right as your dair hitbox comes out, play around with that.
Veetaak
Smash Lord
Even if we started doing this the Foxes would just start upBing down to their death when they see us jumping down and we would die.
Sinji
Smash Master
and you can see it even in the link they posted. After it happened, the rest of the game whenever mango approached armada's shield from the air, Armada ALWAYS moved out of his shield with either a nair or jump back or wd back oos.
catching armada stationary in his sheild is hard as ****, so good lukc relying on that tomohawk ****
Bamesy
Smash Ace
This^
Kind of a redundant universal rule to absolutely 100% everything in smash, but never forget it.
Are you talking about edgeguarding or what?
Walk off the stage, DJ back Dair?
When you say you normally can't get it 'reliably' then it's probably just a timing/spacing thing that you could experiment on (even against a cpu) to figure it out... ? :D
Sinji
Smash Master
Don't forget his buffer roll.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
Yea I'm talking about edgeguarding. There are those angles and distances where a normal run off DJ dair or ledgehop dair or something will miss so you might as well just try doing something else.
but getting a dair to trade works wonders because you can go further out, spike them, then still recover with firebird.
I've done it lots on accident, I'll probably toy with it some later and figure out exactly how to do it all the time cuz I think it could be useful.
Just try going for a lot of suicide dair kills in friendlies and see if you can figure out the timing/spacing that way. I find it usually happens to me when I go for a fast fall suicide dair, so it's probably just as DruggedFox said; It's just when the hitbox comes out as the flames are already inside your feet.
Oskar
Smash Cadet
While on the topic of empty hop grabs, does anyone know why pressing z right after landing will sometimes result in a jab instead of a grab? I tried screwing around with it a bit in training and I can't really seem to reproduce it consistenly. It just seems to randomly happen from time to time.
Not that it's really a big deal or anything since I've gotten into the habbit of pretty much always jump canceling my grabs, but I'd be interested to know what causes this.
Not that it's really a big deal or anything since I've gotten into the habbit of pretty much always jump canceling my grabs, but I'd be interested to know what causes this.
Always when you hold down on the stick and press z it will result in a jab. Don't know if this is what happens with you.