PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[Rubyiris]

Umbreon just changed his name lmao.

Something that's really bugging me with Falco recently:

You're Falco, and a character like Peach/Sheik/Marth/Fox is in your space. You've been forced to shield and you've been put into a situation where you're either neutral on block, but in a disadvantageous situation, or you're negative on block. How do you deal with the RPS of block > shield, jab > jump/spot dodge, dash attack > roll/WD oos? I find that I always lose in this situation, especially versus those 4 characters.

Also, how do you train yourself to react better to being hit out of a move? I find that if my offence is interrupted, I more often than not lose that stock, whilst Falcos that are better at dealing with that situation can usually get away, maybe with some extra damage, but still have that stock for a little longer?

 

[Erasor.]

I am an excellent teacher. The few people I've taught have all had dramatic and notable fast improvement. Once you understand how smash really is, it's applicable to any character and just generally makes the game much easier regardless of skill level or opponent's skill level. I'm sure m2k, druggedfox, scar, and to a lesser extent dr pp will back me up on this.

Not sure why. But why are you posting as intuition when you are Umbreon?

 

[unknown522]

yeah, 15 ppp sucks.

 

[Sion]

get at me rubyiris

i can do stupid stuff and somehow pull off a win LOL

 

[Little England]

lol Sion. Are u going to G2?

 

[crush]

any advice on the falco vs roy matchup guis?

 

[Rubyiris]

any advice on the falco vs roy matchup guis?

Not sure if serious.....

 

[unknown522]

get at me rubyiris

i can do stupid stuff and somehow pull off a win LOL

woah that salt.

this calls for a money match!!

$50 on Sion!

 

[crush]

Not sure if serious.....

$100 on Sion

 

[Deleted member]

you guys can say whatever you want, i just offered to help zhu.

so chinese IMO

 

[JPOBS]

Umbreon just changed his name lmao.

Something that's really bugging me with Falco recently:

You're Falco, and a character like Peach/Sheik/Marth/Fox is in your space. You've been forced to shield and you've been put into a situation where you're either neutral on block, but in a disadvantageous situation, or you're negative on block. How do you deal with the RPS of block > shield, jab > jump/spot dodge, dash attack > roll/WD oos? I find that I always lose in this situation, especially versus those 4 characters.

Also, how do you train yourself to react better to being hit out of a move? I find that if my offence is interrupted, I more often than not lose that stock, whilst Falcos that are better at dealing with that situation can usually get away, maybe with some extra damage, but still have that stock for a little longer?

Its kinda hard to picture a scenario where I will both be disadvantaged via spacing, AND also negative on block.

What I mean is, if I'm disadvantaged because my opponent is spacing low lag moves on my shield and shine oos won't hit, then you can almost garuanteed get away with Laser oos, wavedash backwards out of shield, or just rolling to gtfo out of there.
If I'm disadvantaged because my opponent has a good +/- on my block, then shine oos still beats almost everything OR it probably means they are hitting with close range moves directly on top of my shield and you can get away with rolling or something becuse they can;t cover all those options (see Peachs fair->jab/grab for example).

I can't think of a situation that occurs frequently where I will both be at a loss for spacing and frame advantage.
When all else fails, I just hold my shield a little longer until the situation improves. Yea I know that may sound really dumb/intuitive but I'm being serious. Shielding longer than expected can lead to great outcomes.

also, $20 on sion.

 

[Sion]

lmao you guys
i don't even know where you get your confidence in me

unfortunately, i will not be attending g2

and it's not even about rubyiris thinking he's better than i am, he just hates me as a player. *shrug*

 

[MasterShake]

I wanted to shake your hand sir. Definitely my favorite Falco to watch.

 

[Sion]

you're too kind, mastershake

anyways, i shouldn't derail this thread anymore than i already have

there are some really great posts for aspiring falcos to read up on

i hope to contribute here someday

 

[Rubyiris]

What Sion said is the truth. I have never said, or even implied that I am a better player. He's already proven that he's superior to me. All I mentioned is that I think he has really poor move choice.

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

What Sion said is the truth. I have never said, or even implied that I am a better player. He's already proven that he's superior to me. All I mentioned is that I think he has really poor move choice.

Clearly from the money he's won in Canada, his move choices are pretty rich.

 

[Rubyiris]

I got pool *****. I has a sad. :C

 

[crush]

$150 on sion

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yo that was the first thing i was bout to post. i saw your pool rubyiris and i was like...damn.

if it's top 3 you have a chance. but you'll have to pull it out vs 1 of those other 3. i'd say westballz or DoH is your better shot. after tect beat kage, i figure that guys kinda good. of course, you've beaten axe, so anythings possible.

 

[unknown522]

lmao you guys
i don't even know where you get your confidence in me

unfortunately, i will not be attending g2

and it's not even about rubyiris thinking he's better than i am, he just hates me as a player. *shrug*

you're mad good. Watching you play and playing with you.

Also, yeah he disapproves your playstyle. Ah well. I like it when people improve in their own way, or improve on what they like doing (drephen for example).

 

[Deleted member]

What Sion said is the truth. I have never said, or even implied that I am a better player. He's already proven that he's superior to me. All I mentioned is that I think he has really poor move choice.

nah, it's just different. sion is a **** player in general and i'd be jealous of such an unpredictable style if i didn't already play the same way with fox

 

[Sinji]

Sion has an incredible playstyle. Hope he goes to Apex.

 

[Divinokage]

yo that was the first thing i was bout to post. i saw your pool rubyiris and i was like...damn.

if it's top 3 you have a chance. but you'll have to pull it out vs 1 of those other 3. i'd say westballz or DoH is your better shot. after tect beat kage, i figure that guys kinda good. of course, you've beaten axe, so anythings possible.

Ya Tect is really good too, you cannot sleep on him.

 

[Rubyiris]

You guys are weird.

 

[unknown522]

Ya Tect is really good too, you cannot sleep on him.

I think tect will get 1st seed.

Unless he gets cheezed by d-smash, or some other peach BS.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

yeah, that's what i'm saying. i'd figure he has a better chance vs DoH or westballz than tect.

i'd rather that pool get moved around though. i don't really wanna see any of those four get knocked out first round. there are definitely weaker pools where any of those four could get second seed rather than being knocked out lol.

 

[Rubyiris]

The pool was already fixed. I'm in a pool with PPU, Myko, ESAM, Eikelmann, and BadGuy. From what Vman was telling me, pretty much the whole MBR was like THIS POOL SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

DoH was probably my best chance at winning, though. I have a very solid Peach game, and from what I've observed, his Falco game is weak.

Anyways, my biggest concern is ESAM. He's legit, but I think I can beat him if I really study hard. Anyone want to recommend me some good Falco vs Samus material?

 

[stingers]

youtube should have some good falco vs. samus matches, try there.

 

[Rubyiris]

Of course it does, but I'm moreso looking for specific players. ;o

 

[Sinji]

The pool was already fixed. I'm in a pool with PPU, Myko, ESAM, Eikelmann, and BadGuy. From what Vman was telling me, pretty much the whole MBR was like THIS POOL SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.

DoH was probably my best chance at winning, though. I have a very solid Peach game, and from what I've observed, his Falco game is weak.

Anyways, my biggest concern is ESAM. He's legit, but I think I can beat him if I really study hard. Anyone want to recommend me some good Falco vs Samus material?

Heres one, your fav. falco


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRhXq9_bXoc

 

[Mahone]

DoH would have ***** your face...

 

[Bl@ckChris]

lol at finding the rare jmh vid.

see if you can find any phanna vs shiz. Pp vs hugs existed for a friendly or two, and moose vs duck might be useful to watch too.

 

[Rubyiris]

My favorite Falco is Vman, actually.

Mahone, do you ever have anything nice to say?

I'm watching some Zhu vs DJ atm. Zhu's giving me some good ideas.

 

[Sinji]

Mahone, do you ever have anything nice to say?

yea. I was wondering if it was at me he was talking to, considering that he posted right after me.

 

[mers]

Mahone, do you ever have anything nice to say?

LOLOL does nobody else find this incredibly hilarious?

 

[Divinokage]

LOLOL does nobody else find this incredibly hilarious?

Some wounds take time to heal.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

I think mahones a cool guy.

but maybe that's just cuz I've met him a few times.

 

[FoxLisk]

LOLOL does nobody else find this incredibly hilarious?

lol +1

 

[Summonedfist]

mahone may come across a bad person ingame since he's just bair-happy/campy, but he came across socially a good person irl

 

[Rubyiris]

I have never seen mahone ever say anything nice the entire time he's been on the boards.