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Marth probably just tries to abuse his ground game more on FD so you get to see what he's doing easier. I mean, I feel that a Marth focusing more than he already does on powershielding is just going to be a problem for Falco(in addition to the punishment received when you get hit/grabbed obviously) than a Marth who you can reliably run from/escape from punishment better vs.
Interesting, I've always thought it was his Uair. I'll have to go think about things again lol.
I hate it but do well on it I think. I just like complaining probably lol.falcon's uair is so hawt. it's the only move i understand as cfal lol
in other news: im glad other people hate fod. i always have (probably cause i started playing before shiz opened up the combo possibilities), but i get flamed for it most the time
Eh if Marth is really just running away you have a gun. I'm not saying you have to flat out camp him but you shouldn't be going after him the majority of the time either.
I haven't seen some effective hardcore camping since I've started playing this game but I think the bad cases of it were before I started so I couldn't tell you what that's even like.
Lasering people who have their shield up is fun, but that's a big time to go in on people as well. I guess as long as you get what you want with shield pressure/taking advantage of someone shielding then it doesn't really matter what exactly you do lol.
Yeah I LOVE that combo haha. <3 LoZR for showing me with his Fox.
That's exactly what I've been saying for at least a year lol.
Haha wow.
Just because Mango's best character(on average and that he actually plays at the very least) is Falco and my main is Falco and I don't let him walk all over me with Falcon doesn't mean that Falco is the best character in Melee. I don't see how he could be any better than 3rd and that's pushing it anyway.
If you're planning on crouching out of a Fox combo you have to dedicate a ton of time to that because if you plan on moving around or having a plan of attack/defense outside of CC'ing then you're going to get hit by a spaced move(probably Bair) or just run through by a Nair or something like that and since, yes, Fox is very fast it's hard to observe all of his actions and try to get into proper CC position for any of them while also trying to keep space and/or attack if Fox isn't attacking.
Nah it definitely does. I mean just Uthrow someone at 0% and then do it at 100% lol. The throw just sends them farther up. Now, that's not to say that you necessarily can't follow them up, as DI is the most important factor in dealing with Upthrow, but % will influence what you can get away with after you account for DI and reaction time I suppose.
heck yeah lol
If I had to guess, I'd say that the way Falco has to be played is one that makes the greatest use of his hitboxes since he's not fast enough to actually try to run through people with Nair catching them offguard or whatever. I'm kind of surprised hearing that myself since I figured Falco's Bair might have been bigger than Fox's but I guess it really just is about how one plays on each character's strengths.
Oh okay so I as right then. I don't think the difference limits Fox much though really.
How strange.....do you do it if their shield is angled or if it's just small? Because I'd probably just Dtilt if it was small and unangled and angled up and if it were angled down then they'd just CC the Uair sooo I dunno about this lol. It's kinda funny and creative though so it could do cool stuff if you pulled it off.
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Not quite. Fox relies on shine after an aerial as a means to negate necessary spacing to safely cover his approach. Generally, Fox will be throwing his full hitbox into your character sans tipped bair. A proper CC position isn't necessarily required since the aerial will generally push your character out of shine's range just far enough for your crouching character to retaliate accordingly and reflexively. Also, you can crouch in the duration of an attack and that crouch is still automatic upon getting hit, so it's a perfectly viable option to use a well ranged attack while crouching in an attempt to force a trade and give yourself a noticeable frame advantage. Fox in all reality has only average priority for most of his moves and less range than his other top tier rivals and it can be exploited very hard should the fox not specifically choose when to attack ideally.
just during routine shield pressure. if its angled up and you can get the dtilt then why not.
FH Nair tricks, fall through platform Dair tricks, dash canceled shine and even FH Uair at lowish %s(makes people fall on their back early if I recall correctly) are all things Fox can do safely that you didn't mention at CC %s.
That's okay Dair is amazing lol. Defensive Dair is the best.
If they CC the first hit of the Uair then they can shield the second, but yeah if it's exposed and you just get the hit then cool.
That's awesome that Japanese players do this with Fox, I have to remember to play around with that for him.....
Lol I never liked Fair shield pressure. Landing lag always felt too big.
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