Power Shield Canceling (PSC) New AT!

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Maybe.

You can induce this with Snake's mine. Since you can either land on it and powershield or dash into and powershield.

 

[Kewkky]

About the controller's springs... It's just a matter of knowing how hard you have to press it down for the shield to activate it, if you still want to have your springs in. It's gonna be harder than with the Y button since you have to divide your dexterity on two fingers instead of keeping concentration on your thumb alone. Me, I'm gonna be using L/R anyway.

 

[Laem]

this looks good but
why are jabs beating tornado
outprioritizing it

 

[Captain L]

I don't wanna change my controls for this cause I'm using the standard control scheme with GC but I gonna try this anyway. Also what about wiimote-nunchuck and classic controller users for this?

For Wiichuck there's actually a really easy way that doesn't mess up controls at all.

You can set a command to A+B, as well as A by itself and B by itself. If you use the A+B move and then release either button, the game will instantly execute whichever button remains pressed.

A+B to powershield
release B
Attack instantly comes out (as long as A is attack)

The only problem is that the two button shield is harder than just one button, but it's still pretty easy since you don't even have to slide a finger anywhere. The best part is that it's impossible to accidentally grab out of it because A will not come out until B has been released.

 

[Claire Diviner]

Wow, this can really give R.O.B. - and most other characters by extension - a way to finally fight back against Meta Knight and make their respective matchups with him a little better now. :O

 

[GimR]

this looks good but
why are jabs beating tornado
outprioritizing it

your hitting MK between hits of nado

 

[Mr.-0]

OMG this changes the whole metagame.

 

[Dragoomba]

Snake PSC into sticky mine?

Yesss...

 

[Ripple]

7 frames is added if you shield drop, it turns your 1 frame squirtle jab punish into 8 frames, which is too many frames to punish tornado

thats only if you don't have your shield hit anything.

I seem to recall a frame data tester saying a PS has IASA frames, not that its actually cancelable.

you would be able to notice a 7 frame difference. it doesn't seem that big.

if it is 7 frames name me a move against another move that I can't use to punish an opponent from a normal PS shield drop but that I can punish from a PSC

 

[Black Mantis]

ROB just got better (and so did snake and bowser).

And that's good news for me

 

[GimR]

thats only if you don't have your shield hit anything.

I seem to recall a frame data tester saying a PS has IASA frames, not that its actually cancelable.

you would be able to notice a 7 frame difference. it doesn't seem that big.

if it is 7 frames name me a move against another move that I can't use to punish an opponent from a normal PS shield drop but that I can punish from a PSC

utilting Lucarios F-smash with D3, like in the video.


@captainL: is there any way you could set A to Shield and A+B to attack so you could just press A then B?

 

[Ripple]

utilting Lucarios F-smash with D3, like in the video.


@captainL: is there any way you could set A to Shield and A+B to attack so you could just press A then B?

IDK what you're talking about. I'm punishing the f-smash every time.

I'm having doubts since the up-tilt was delayed in the video

 

[Mr.-0]

ROB just got better (and so did snake and bowser).

And that's good news for me

Snake just got ALOT better. I feel like an idiot saying he should be number five on the tier list. Now, PSC into tilts=****. He's staying number two for a long time.

 

[Zeallyx]

This is something like DI: alot of people already do it (without knowing it)

Though prolly not during/against a nado

 

[Captain L]

Oh I never thought of that. Yeah it works, pretty well too. The biggest problem is the fact that I'm left with a totally messed up control scheme.

 

[GimR]

IDK what you're talking about. I'm punishing the f-smash every time.

I'm having doubts since the up-tilt was delayed in the video

I went into frame advance mode, power shielded the f-smash with D3, shield dropped, and then tried to u-tilt Lucario and he was able to power shield it

 

[bigman40]

GIMR, this is a regular PS. You should change it because there's no real cancel happening. You're explaining the real properties of a PS.

 

[Aposl]

wow your da bess gims!!!! Thx for figurng this out!

 

[Ripple]

I went into frame advance mode, power shielded the f-smash with D3, shield dropped, and then tried to u-tilt Lucario and he was able to power shield it

well, i'm able to punish it.

anyone who actually plays a character that shields a lot will tell you that the first up-tilt seemed delayed

 

[GimR]

well, i'm able to punish it.

anyone who actually plays a character that shields a lot will tell you that the first up-tilt seemed delayed

I mean, since D3's up-tilts hits on the back top first it might not of been hitting lucario on the correct frame of the u-tilt meaning if I was closer maybe it would hit.


On the other hand, are you sure you aren't PSCing the u-tilt?




Also, I'm messing around with some Option selects that may be possible

 

[culexus・wau]

What are the frames lost during this rather then doing the perfect shield drop? [ie how many frames slower am I when I **** this up]

Whats the frame requirement for hitting MK out of nado?

if its f4 or higher I'd gather that lucario can crawl with *** pointing as metaknight

PSC

utilt

<3

if its f5 or higher we don't even need to do that since we can buffer the turnaround utilt

 

[GimR]

What are the frames lost during this rather then doing the perfect shield drop? [ie how many frames slower am I when I **** this up]

Whats the frame requirement for hitting MK out of nado?

if its f4 or higher I'd gather that lucario can crawl with *** pointing as metaknight

PSC

utilt

<3

if its f5 or higher we don't even need to do that since we can buffer the turnaround utilt

it depends on the part of the tornado. I still need to do more research

 

[Ripple]

I mean, since D3's up-tilts hits on the back top first it might not of been hitting lucario on the correct frame of the u-tilt meaning if I was closer maybe it would hit.


On the other hand, are you sure you aren't PSCing the u-tilt?

I'm shield dropping, trust me. that's how I learned to take stocks.

PS> shield drop> up tilt

no jumping involved

I also messed around with distance. I could I could get it every time

 

[KageMurphy]

Neat but GIMR I'm not changing my controls just for this so if my shield is gonna be L n R how do I do this?

 

[GimR]

I'm shield dropping, trust me. that's how I learned to take stocks.

PS> shield drop> up tilt

no jumping involved

I also messed around with distance. I could I could get it every time

you're facing lucario like in the vid correct?

Neat but GIMR I'm not changing my controls just for this so if my shield is gonna be L n R how do I do this?

remove springs

 

[Zeallyx]

GIMR, this is a regular PS. You should change it because there's no real cancel happening. You're explaining the real properties of a PS.

Is this^ actually countered?

 

[smokey da bear]

does this even work for yoshi

 

[GimR]

does this even work for yoshi

I couldn't get Yoshi to Power shield :/

 

[bigman40]

It doesn't work for Yoshi. Yoshi's PS properties forces him to continue his shield drop.

 

[smokey da bear]

It doesn't work for Yoshi. Yoshi's PS properties forces him to continue his shield drop.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO everyone but yoshi gets a upgrade in the Mk MU

 

[Poltergust]

So we still have those 17 frames of shield-drop lag? Darn... =/

I couldn't get Yoshi to Power shield :/

Try facing the other direction. It's difficult to powershield as Yoshi if he's facing the direction of the hitbox.

 

[Flayl]

I'm almost completely sure level 9 CPU's have been doing this all the time, lol

 

[Tenki]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO everyone but yoshi gets a upgrade in the Mk MU

But yoshi counters MK with his chaingrab shenanigans

I'm almost completely sure level 9 CPU's have been doing this all the time, lol

CPUs: teaching us techniques since 2008.

Er, this isn't new or an AT it's just basic game mec...

... is something I'll personally try and wrap my mind around when I recover from a nap/dream where I was duke nukem in a school full of anime girls. What the ****.

 

[Albert.]

wow I haven't seen Tenki post in like a year+

 

[Pikabunz]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique10.html

Perfect/Power shielding was always meant to have no shield drop lag. That, reduced shield push, and no shield health loss were the only things that made it different from normal shielding.

What was shown in the vid had nothing to do with what was shown in innocentroads' vid. A lot of those things you did against tornado could've been done without power shielding at all. You even did some of those things without power shielding in the vid. UpB OoS and grabbing OoS didn't need the power shield for those moves to land. I actually posted about this a few months ago.

What's in innocentroad's vid is actually something new that no one really uses, but it wasn't really explained well. What he's showing is that you can buffer attacks out of a power shield using a certain buffer input method. Normally you couldn't buffer out of a power shield, but with his method you can! To do this you just power shield and keep shield held. During the hitlag you input whatever attack you want and then you release shield during the shield stun frames. If you did it right you will use that attack on the first possible frame. This even works with Fsmash and Dsmash which would normally give you a roll or spotdodge.

Your vid is still good though. It shows that tornado is actually more punishable than we think. People should start doing PS to jab/tilt more.

 

[Ripple]

K prime with the save

:highfive:

 

[hotgarbage]

What's in innocentroad's vid is actually something new that no one really uses, but it wasn't really explained well. What he's showing is that you can buffer attacks out of a power shield using a certain buffer input method. Normally you couldn't buffer out of a power shield, but with his method you can! To do this you just power shield and keep shield held. During the hitlag you input whatever attack you want and then you release shield during the shield stun frames. If you did it right you will use that attack on the first possible frame. This even works with Fsmash and Dsmash which would normally give you a roll or spotdodge.

Yeah I didn't catch that from his vid. That's pretty awesome; thanks for the explanation.

 

[Today]

Man, this is really cool. ='P But not so cool for GnW. Bair is more useless than what it is now.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I'm still waiting for results of this actually happening and it becoming commonplace

 

[John12346]

How many frames are there between each hit of MK's nado?