Power Rankings Discussion UPDATED 3/03/08

[ChaosKnight]

i know im better than plank <--- **** this logic ****ing works i gotta use it more lmao ....

 

[Inui]

Anyone in this thread that thinks they're better than teh_spamerer that isn't a top national class player like M2K/Cactuar/etc. is wrong. That goes for Swiftbass/Jman/etc. that seem to think they should be above him. In the few tournaments he's entered this season, he's delivered very good performances that can't be denied.

Spam has beaten:

Inui
LK
Eggm
Scar
VaNz
Tec0
Plank
blahblahblah

tons of good people.

 

[SwiftBass]

That goes for Swiftbass/Jman/etc. that seem to think they should be above him.

never said that, i specifically questioned his eligibility due to lack of activity. please think then post

 

[JFox]

Inui, why do u keep bringing up spamerer? He isn't ranked cuz he doesnt go to anything. Just shut up about spamerer, this isn't the place for it. (Not to mention its just god**** annoying)

 

[Cort]

Every time I see Inui as the last post in this thread in my User CP I let out a sigh and click this topic and read his posts anyway.

u_u

 

[Inui]

Inui, why do u keep bringing up spamerer? He isn't ranked cuz he doesnt go to anything. Just shut up about spamerer, this isn't the place for it. (Not to mention its just god**** annoying)

Uh... He's been to like 7 tournaments. How is that not enough? Do you not count the Rutgers ones even if they had real rules and real people? He beat me and Tec0 in one of them and they were real sets.

How is he not active enough to be on the list?

 

[takieddine]

Drama Drama Drama.

StarCock is the best.

 

[Cyrain]

DRAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let's all ***** at eachother!!!!!
That gets things done.
<333

 

[OffTheChain]

No matter how many games they create, Inui will always find a comfy c0ck to ride.

 

[starcock]

Inui makes perfect sense, just because butter is more useful than jelly, doesn't count the species out of the matches that one made in order to battle. I completly agree with his logic about the solar system and how the earth is flat. just because Jfox uses silly things like data, doesn't mean he is correct all the time. Who on earth will listen to Cort? isn't he a d*mn tv progarm that comes after murder she wrote? listen to Inui, embrace the Inui and become the Inui.

 

[slikvik]

^^^Inui needs to sig this

 

[Keitaro]

Inui makes perfect sense, just because butter is more useful than jelly, doesn't count the species out of the matches that one made in order to battle. I completly agree with his logic about the solar system and how the earth is flat. just because Jfox uses silly things like data, doesn't mean he is correct all the time. Who on earth will listen to Cort? isn't he a d*mn tv progarm that comes after murder she wrote? listen to Inui, embrace the Inui and become the Inui.

lmao!!

 

[kirbstir]

I don't mind the list for the most part, but I'm pretty sure I'm top 10 in MD/VA. My tourney record at the bigger tourneys is pretty good, even if I've slipped up the past few weeks.

1. VLS - 9th in singles, 7th in teams
- defeating Eggm, Bam, Wife in singles play, losing to Azen and KDJ
2. Made pound 3 brackets, despite silly pools
- defeating Jiano, Cactuar, losing to Eggz and Plank

I've taken sets off most people I've played in all of the regional lists. And every tourney since July up until a few weeks ago, I would not lose to anybody but the tops in our region, considering I played Azen pretty much 2nd round every single biweekly, C3, etc you can think of.

 

[Wife]

My Record

I'm not angry or anything, but I feel like there has been some confusion. Allow me to clarify my record vs the following players:

MD/VA division - Chillindude829, G-regulate, and Tope

1. Azen (****-0)
2. Chu (**** - 2)
3. Chillindude829 (3-0, altho admittedly I've avoided him in tourny for some time)
4. Chinesah (1~2 - 0)
5. KM-013 (3~4-5~6)
6. Neo (**** - 1)
7. G-reg (2~4 - 1)
8. Tope (2~3 - 0)
9. Plank (3~4 - 1)
10. Aho (4~5 - 0)
11. Kirbstir (3~4 - 1)
12. Omni (0-0)
13. Wife n/a
14. Boss (0 - 0)
15. Blues (~1 - 0)

[/QUOTE]

And obviously I'm not that active anymore so whatever, but the numbers simply don't add up. I mean I have winning records vs 7 people above me, which makes me wonder, do you guys use different criteria in making the lists? Because when I was on the panel we used tournament placings and vs records.

And I can't gaurantee I'll come back and read any replies but I thought I could shed some light on the list, because I've always believed that the scoreboard spoke for itself -- but that's me.

 

[boss8]

shiek is gay......that is all....

korn sry (continues to sleep zzzzzzzzz)

 

[Cactuar]

Honestly Inui, you bringing up that spam has been to 7 tournaments in this period doesn't mean anything. That's like me saying that I've beaten 5 top pro level players this period is numerous sets, and not saying who, when, or where. I don't care about how many tournaments you go to overall, I care about how many noteworthy touraments you go to. Every time I see Mow he tells me about how he has been to so many tournaments in the last month, and that's awesome, but it doesn't really matter to me unless there are at least a handful of big name players there.

I have said this next bit several times:
I don't care about tournament placings nearly as much as I care about WHO YOU BEAT AND LOSE TO. One of my biggest things is that I do NOT lose to randoms. Ever. I have only lost 1 legitimate set (me not throwing it) to a tri-state player in this voting period, which was to Tec0 after Triad slammed my hand into a metal chair. I don't care about someone beating chillindude randomly if they lose to someone like Inui. While this shows that your high-end play ability is great, it also shows that your skill range is enormous. There are easily 12 or so players in MD/VA that are, at peak, better than I am, but my average level is not much below my peak level, while their averages are much worse than mine.
Bottom line: Consistency is everything.

Edit: Kirbstir is too good. Half korean brethren. You are a way bigger tourny threat than Tope and Plank.

Edit 2: Hey Wife, how many of those sets were in this voting period?

 

[Teczer0]

Kirbstir is amazing I was pretty surprised he isn't in top 10

While I was surprised about my placement lol I'm so horribly inconsistent its crazy >_> I need to stay more calm <_<

 

[Cort]

I love Cactus posts

I can't help but wonder if Tope posting these lists was just a way for people to shitstorm up reasons why these lists are so wrong and horrible. I doubt it though, Tope isn't very smart and is not as good as Plank, afterall.

Also I see the Northeast doesn't really give a care. =D

 

[Eggm]

I honestly fear kibstir more in tournament too, but the other 2 play sheik and he plays peach and i'm falco. ^-^ The lists seem fine.. I think darc should be a little higher, but its all good, I also agree with neo being too inactive to be on there, but its all good.

 

[Omni]

Again, too much rambling. Let me intervene:

What tournaments are used to make this period's power rankings?
What is that total?
What are the results?

This part is strictly Math. No debating. Stfu. Then we move on:

This is what we should be debating.
What % of the tournaments does a person have to attend in order to be known as "active"?
(At this point, eliminate anyone below that %.)

Are there any tournaments that aren't mandatory to attend in order to stay "active"?
(Not everyone from the EC is going to attend Chu's Biweekly...biweekly.)

etc, etc.

Stop debating on opinioniated issues. It will never end. Focus on what can be decided, and how it should be decided, so once the foundation is set there is no room for speculation or question.

 

[Redd]

*walks into topic*

*gets killed by massive ego*

 

[hova]

it's funny how the same thing happens everytime a new list is posted

EGYbill for top 10 in Brawl

yo TA- probably gonna be some festage at our place once brawl gets rolling, but like only for TA mostly

 

[JFox]

Again, too much rambling. Let me intervene:

What tournaments are used to make this period's power rankings?
What is that total?
What are the results?

This part is strictly Math. No debating. Stfu. Then we move on:

This is what we should be debating.
What % of the tournaments does a person have to attend in order to be known as "active"?
(At this point, eliminate anyone below that %.)

Are there any tournaments that aren't mandatory to attend in order to stay "active"?
(Not everyone from the EC is going to attend Chu's Biweekly...biweekly.)

Thats how I set up my NJ power rankings. I have set rules for eligibilty.

Rules for player eligibility:

1. All players must have at least 3 singles tournaments from this season which they have entered in order to even be eligible for the list.

2. All players must have entered 2 in-state tournaments within the season in order to be eligible.

3. Players must be at least a part-time resident of NJ in order to be ranked as an NJ player. If you are a part-time resident, you must spend the majority of your time living in NJ. (For example, those who go to college in NJ but live out of state would be acceptable)

4. You cannot be on the NJ Power Ranking if you are ranked in any other state.

Rules for tournament eligibility:

1. The tournament must provide full results of its player's placings.

So needless to say when I started as a panelist here, I felt it was very unstructrued. I often had disputed with people that a player was inactive/active, and the other would disagree simply because no one ever defined what active is. This is why Bum was considered inactive, while Ryoko was not.

Really activity on these rankings were a popularity contest. Everyone likes NEO and KM, so they left them on. But no one cared to think of Bum in this way, so he was said to be inactive.

 

[Inui]

Keitaro has lots of information on NJ players. I'll get you a large list of tournaments that Kashif went to, Charles, and then you'll see.

I'm surprised JFox didn't push for Kashif.

 

[meepxzero]

md/va list looks fine just dont see why neo and wife are on there >_>... and wife its cuz ur not active your not on the list. These are based on more recent events not wins-losses that happened a year or 2 ago. Neo should be off it for obvious reasons he doesnt play the game competitively no more he just has fun with roy.

lol sorry tope plank is more consistent than you are. Your just better at beating the top players in our region.

 

[Cort]

meep's sig made me rofl

 

[meepxzero]

Sadly im gonna keep this sig on forever as a sad reminder for how many ***** delays this game had -_-a.

 

[Cort]

Plank is SO MUCH BETTER than Tope it's not even funny.

 

[SwiftBass]

plank is obviously superior because he has more post in the CT thread

 

[Israfel]

I have a very hard time telling if Cort is being sarcastic. : /

 

[Tope]

Please keep the spam to a minimum.

You're welcome to argue about who is better than who provided you back it up with facts.


Just got done handing out infractions.

 

[g-regulate]

ill try to shed some light on everyones situation, for MD/VA that is.


1. Azen
2. Chu
3. Chillindude829
4. Chinesah
5. KM-013
6. Neo
7. G-reg
8. Tope
9. Plank
10. Aho
11. Kirbstir
12. Omni
13. Wife
14. Boss
15. Blues

spots 1-3 are pretty much legit. Chinesah was moved up for obvious reasons, playing top 5 at mostly everything in the voting period, including beating chillin a few times.

NEO is still on the list above me because i think we can all agree that NEO is still better than us. i believe omni made a post earlier in this thread about him still having the ability to "steal our cookies". yes he hasnt been very active and hasnt been as dominant in the past but itd be dumb to move him down further or just take him off.

i havent done anything great but i still place somewhat decently and i beat PC, Chu, Forward and Cort.

tope and plank was an extremely close call. they are both high level sheiks with dramatically different play styles. both travel and place well, and both of them were on the rise in the rankings, and both are quite equal in 1v1, so it was hard to place them accurately. we decided to go with tope because of his recent victories over Chillin and Chu and top 3 placings at C3 and chus. so in essence, id say your both tied, with those wins being the tiebreaker.

aho is slightly inconsistent, but still usually does better than everyone below him. he also has several top 3 placings at MD tournaments, as well as a win. Kirbstir has also played well, in local and regional tourneys. their placings are self explanatory.

omni was quite active for a bit, but then stopped coming to some things. Wife is also quite inactive, but the few things he has come to, he hasnt placed very well. while wife is definitely very talented and a good melee player, his inactivity has lowered him down and hed need a few good placings to bring him back up.

Boss has beaten several top placers on this list and definitely deserves his spot. im sure everyone knows of his sick-nasty mario and doc. the hardest spot on the list came at 15, where we had pretty much a tie between Korn and Blues. although its true that Korn and Boss are pretty much even in skill, boss has more substantial wins against high placers on this list. this being said, Blues has more experience and got 2nd at a C3, as well as beating some names on the list.

sorry to anyone who felt they should make the list, but havent. this is a competitive area and, bottom line, you simply have to place top 9 or so consistently at everything if you want to even be considered. thats just how it is. thanks

 

[AlphaZealot]

Boss/Blues/Korn are all amazing up and coming players. I especially like Boss's Mario and I think everyone should know I <3 Korn too.

At some point though, these rankings will have to scrictly drop people for not going to tournaments. I don't know if its at that point yet, but eventually it'll have to happen. If anyone use to read www.getyourtournament.com Glenn would put out his own power rankings that were scrictly statistically based with the only exception being that he would award point values for where a person was on the power rankings list (the one released by the socal guys, not his own). Ken got dropped all the way to 15 or so on Glenn's list for being inactive, with his lone statistical point coming from the socal guys still ranking him first.

The reality is simple I think, define active/inactive and then drop anyone who doesn't fit the criteria. Who cares if Neo isn't on the list? I don't think Neo cares, though I can't speak for him obviously, but why rank someone who may not even be a factor at tournaments BECAUSE he doesn't go to them anymore. Yes, sure, he could go to a tournament probably take top 5 losing only to some combination of Azen/Chu or whatever, but these rankings shouldn't be about where people think someone is or what they did a year ago and they also aren't for making predications about the future, its should be a "What have you done for me lately" deal. Most of these problems would also be eliviated if rankings were released every other week and which tournaments took place during that time that were considered during the ranking.

EDIT: One more point is that if you just drop people from the ranking for being inactive then you won't get grievences like the one Wife has. Wife and Neo (among others) have both been inactive, but one is much more negatively effected then the other and that could easily be percieved as an opinion and not a statistical decision.

 

[KORNNNNN~]

I don't mind about the list anymore. oh well..
I'll just keep play melee ....and brawl lol

but I still love melee though, I don't even think Brawl would be better than melee lol

and Thanks AZ and g-reg for the compliments <3

(and again, sorry for my terrible english lol )

 

[g-regulate]

i explained wife and neos situation in my post, AZ. Wife has been to a few things, and has done poorly. NEO has also been to a few things, and has done NEO-like, aka, very well.

 

[Vist]

I dropped the ball when it came to being on the panel.. I ended up being inactive after I missed out on VLS and stupidly assumed I wasn't on the panel by that point. My mistake for missing outz.

I agree with what greg was saying earlier about how most people won't really care about these lists come 2 weeks from now.

Anyway, I was thinking there can be a more specific way of ranking people for future Power Rankings. I'm not sure how online tournaments could work since it'll probably be brawl from now on but maybe it could go like this:

Tournaments will be categorized by attendance levels such as
- National Level- Tournaments that surpass 150 entrants; including players from other regional zones. E.G. Pound 3, FC-D, OC-3
- Regional Level 2- Tournaments that surpass 75 entrants; including players from all of areas of the tournament's regional zone. E.G. Larger C3 tournaments, MLG Grassroots: Long Island etc.
- Regional Level 1- Tournaments that may surpass 50 entrants; including some players from other areas of the tournament's regional zone. E.G. UMBC tournaments, Most C3 tournaments.
- State Level- Tournaments that have fewer than 30 entrants; most entrants are not OOS. This includes most biweeklies.

The Panel would start with the previous rankings list and take into consideration all tournaments within the previous 6 months. All players who have not met the following criteria will not be considered for the rankings.

- Must live within Region (for regional rankings) and within State(s) (for sub-regional rankings).
- Must have attended at least 4 State Level tournaments OR 3 Regional Level 1 or higher tournaments within the previous 6 month timeframe.
- National Level tournaments outside of the region will not count towards the previous rule, however, any placings or vs. records will be considered just like National Level tournaments within the region.

So as far as the actual rankings go, I was thinking an average placing for each level of tournament would be calculated and will initially place all the eligible players in order. The average might work better if it were just grouped into categories.

Player 1 - National Level AVG - 1st- 4th, R2 AVG - 1st- 4th, R1 AVG - 1st - 4th, S AVG - 1st - 4th.
Player 2 - National Level AVG - 1st - 4th, R2 AVG - 1st - 4th, R1 AVG - 1st- 4th, S AVG - 1st - 4th.
Player 3 - National Level AVG - 5th - 8th, R2 AVG - 1st - 4th, R1 AVG - 1st - 4th, S AVG- 1st - 4th.
Player 4 - National Level AVG - 5th- 8th, R2 AVG - 5th - 8th, R1 AVG - 1st - 4th, S AVG- 1st - 4th.
Player 5 - National Level AVG - 5th - 8th, R2 AVG - 5th - 8th, R1 AVG - 5th - 8th, S AVG- 1st - 4th.
Player 6 - National Level AVG - 9th- 12th, R2 AVG - 5th- 8th, R1 AVG - 5th - 8th, S AVG - 5th - 8th.
Player 7 - National Level AVG - 9th - 12th, R2 AVG - 9th - 12th, R1 AVG - 9th- 12th, S AVG - 5th - 8th.
….and so on

Then vs. records would be taken into consideration in the form of a score. Here’s the general rule set:
- Sets won against a player who is higher on the previous or current list will add points to the winner.
- Sets lost against a player who is higher on the previous or current list will have no effect.
- Sets won against a player who is lower or N/A on the previous or current list will have no effect.
- Sets lost against a player who is lower or N/A on the previous or current list will count against their score.
- The results/records of a more recent tournament will have more weight than those of a less recent tournament. This will apply in the case of a tie. Example: if the top 2 players have a 1:1 record versus each other, the player who won most recently will have the advantage.

So, from there, the score could determine whether or not someone could jump up or down on the list. The averages would take priority in the placings, but then there would also be each player’s score that would basically tell if someone has been stepping it up and/or beating players ranked higher than them(likely they’d have a high score), if they’ve been consistent (no score more or less), or if they’ve been losing to lesser players and not upping the ante (with a low or negative score).

The 2 players in my example have the same average placings, but their score could make or break their placement between each other. If one has been on top and hasn’t been losing to random people and the other has been losing here and there, you could tell by the scores most likely.

The placings and the consistency of them for each player is going to matter most. Players making a ton of tournament apperances would have more opportunity to up their score (or possibly lower it) so that might fix the issue of how activity beyond the point that's necessary for the list should be handled. Someone considered to be a very good player that rarely travels might not have a National Level tournament backing them up and in that case, the panel would have to go off of the next best thing (Regional level 2 placings). In that kinda situation there's likely going to be more players in the rankings with the same kinda placings in that category then there would be at the higher level category. That would set that particular player back a bit since a player with a similar record that does have national level placements would likely be placed ahead of the player in question.

I'm sure I'm missing somethings and there's probably certain issues that I haven't addressed, but maybe something like this idea could work eventually.

 

[starcock]

Please keep the spam to a minimum.

You're welcome to argue about who is better than who provided you back it up with facts.


Just got done handing out infractions.

Oh you lobster looking badger. Why would you infraction me for a post identical to others and making sense about the warped rankings? In other threads, I would post "My p*nis tickles" and get no infractions but now I studied the arts of debating, in the Americas, since Dec 3 and posted more than enough good reasons for this crap ranks; that make no sense. Then you have the ignorance to ruin my reputation of good behavoir, Mods were actually looking at my resume and concluded that I improved from the past; since rehab. They even fed me treats as they stroked me gently, for my good conduct. Don't faaaack with me tope, or I will shave your nuts and smack you with your own tangled d*ck.

The rankings seem to be done by the d*mn blind mice and obvously haved not looked at tourney results and who each of them have beaten, they just get a magical list from the toilet, next to some fly eating **** and post it here.



I really Hope that Tope isn't a mod...I REALLY hope he isn't. If you are really a mod Tope then ignore my post and come over my house for some Soda.

 

[Plairnkk]

ill try to shed some light on everyones situation, for MD/VA that is.


1. Azen
2. Chu
3. Chillindude829
4. Chinesah
5. KM-013
6. Neo
7. G-reg
8. Tope
9. Plank
10. Aho
11. Kirbstir
12. Omni
13. Wife
14. Boss
15. Blues

spots 1-3 are pretty much legit. Chinesah was moved up for obvious reasons, playing top 5 at mostly everything in the voting period, including beating chillin a few times.

NEO is still on the list above me because i think we can all agree that NEO is still better than us. i believe omni made a post earlier in this thread about him still having the ability to "steal our cookies". yes he hasnt been very active and hasnt been as dominant in the past but itd be dumb to move him down further or just take him off.

i havent done anything great but i still place somewhat decently and i beat PC, Chu, Forward and Cort.

tope and plank was an extremely close call. they are both high level sheiks with dramatically different play styles. both travel and place well, and both of them were on the rise in the rankings, and both are quite equal in 1v1, so it was hard to place them accurately. we decided to go with tope because of his recent victories over Chillin and Chu and top 3 placings at C3 and chus. so in essence, id say your both tied, with those wins being the tiebreaker.

aho is slightly inconsistent, but still usually does better than everyone below him. he also has several top 3 placings at MD tournaments, as well as a win. Kirbstir has also played well, in local and regional tourneys. their placings are self explanatory.

omni was quite active for a bit, but then stopped coming to some things. Wife is also quite inactive, but the few things he has come to, he hasnt placed very well. while wife is definitely very talented and a good melee player, his inactivity has lowered him down and hed need a few good placings to bring him back up.

Boss has beaten several top placers on this list and definitely deserves his spot. im sure everyone knows of his sick-nasty mario and doc. the hardest spot on the list came at 15, where we had pretty much a tie between Korn and Blues. although its true that Korn and Boss are pretty much even in skill, boss has more substantial wins against high placers on this list. this being said, Blues has more experience and got 2nd at a C3, as well as beating some names on the list.

sorry to anyone who felt they should make the list, but havent. this is a competitive area and, bottom line, you simply have to place top 9 or so consistently at everything if you want to even be considered. thats just how it is. thanks

even in 1v1? ive won like the last 4 sheik ditto sets, tourney or MM.

also, i always place better/beat you.
ive beaten chu as well, along with mango, km, vidjo, dope, and tons of good teams with random teammates cuz im awesome.

****.

lastly, i dont actually care that much. i enjoy being considered worse and then consistently beating the hell out of people considered better =)

 

[CanISmash]

^ cosign. hops aboard the plank bandwagon. where to next?

 

[g-regulate]

plank is awful, hes just not that good at melee. i guess if i got 4 stocked by skler, id break my controller too and then make controller johns as if thats the reason i got ***** so bad. its a good thing im not awful at this game.

and yes plank, if "i always beat you" means you beat me the last 3 times weve played over the past 5 months, then yes id agree with you. ive beat everyone in our area. literally everyone. multiple times. im amazing