I just found myself some extra motivation to get better...
@Sliq. I know you're a great player, an awesomely skilled player even. I wouldn't be able to win and I live to far away from you to take the challenge anyway.
However, over the next few months, I will try to travel to as many tournaments as I can. Train as much as I can over the course of 2008 and I'm gonna remember you.
Then whenever I'm in US at some point, I'll challenge you to a money match... You're just someone I wanna beat even though I know I wouldn't be able to right now.
I will be training under 100 times Earth's gravity for just this day.
(You have valid arguments though, I'll give you that, you are intelligent, but I don't like your attitude
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I post like that because it entertains me, and if it entertains someone else, so beat it. Attitude should never be used to reflect upon whether or not someone's argument is valid or not. Example: Tom is the best Chef in the world, bar none. He knows way more about cooking and is far more competent than any human on the planet. But he is a neo-nazi skinhead. Does that make Tom's food taste less delicious?
Those who are actually into programming (such as myself and apparently user_name as well) will have a lot more knowledge.
I am a time traveling pirate. By saying this, it is automatically fact. Thanks, internet!
And my response was that there's no landing animation.
False. Wavedashing shares an animation with landing. If it didn't, you would be able to immediately do anything out of a wavedash, as opposed to waiting for the landing animation to end.
I'm talking about a conventional landing animation. Yes theres AN animation, but you have to admit, its a very strange one, with the character sliding forward in a crouching position and then clicking back into a standing position, without lag.
Just because something is strange or kooky doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
So No Ones Challenging Sliq. All Right Sliq Ten Stock Match On Flatzone All Items On, Best Of 3. Make It Happen. Noooooo Waaaavvveeeeeddaaaassshhiiinnnnggggggg. 100 Bux
Silly slikvik, The Sliq Challenge is for casuals.
You're right, I would qualify as an inexperienced player against other 'competitive' players. But that doesn't mean that they're all automatically better than me.
Yes it does. IT has been proven over the course of Melee's six year lifespan, time and time again, that a veteran tournament player will 99% of the time beat a casual. That 1% is practically negligible.
Ok. How about you try this in real life. Jump forward, and slide due to your momentum, bending your knees to absorb the force. Then, without being phased, do a roundhouse kick. Not physically possible?
Shoot a fire ball out of your hand, six times in the air, and create an electrical current with your knee.
You win the "Most ******** Post of the Topic" award.
I am in the real world I applied this same exact concept to becoming a 3d Character artist, teaching myself from every book, video, and tutorial imaginable. I am a self taught 3d artist and it is rare I find anyone coming out of college better at 3d art then me because I have been doing it a lot longer then all of them, hell most of the vets think I am pretty amazing. Experience is just time commitment to the subject
Let's see some of your artwork before you go tooting your own god**** horn again like a *****.
Furthemore, you had to actually work with the software in order to get that good, correct? You didn't just read up on it for 6 years, jump into the program and on your first try pump out the god**** Mona Lisa.
brightside, we care because they come on our forum and act like *******
This is my favorite post so far.
I guess your point is to trick someone into saying that because something is intended it can't be a glitch, which would define a glitch as simply something that wasn't intended. If so, you are even a bigger idiot than I thought, considering you put enough thought to set up an elaborate theme that proves absolutely nothing.
*sigh* Sadly, I must bow my head in shame. As 5150 pointed out, there is no point reasoning with these people. Rather than participate in a discussion where people listen to reason, these scrubs strolled into the thread predetermined in their minds that wavedashing is a glitch, casuals have a fighting chance against competitive smashers, etc. We lay down the evidence (Hypnotist did it all in the first post), and they respond with "logic". Rather than present any tangible evidence, they simply reason their way to the top.
Ph34r teh 1337 casuals...
Let's have secks.
Once again, I was tired when I wrote the post, you can look back at my previous posts and you'll see, I already have corrected myself when I said I l canceled the landing lag.
Any and all of your points are now invalid due to the fact that you do not know what l-canceling, the very crux of what Melee's technical game relies on.
You have to do an aerial before you land to l-cancel you ****. You can't do an aerial while holding a bomb. Kill yourself.
You know, I like how you assumed me to be a fan fiction kid when you're the one correcting me on what the correct name of the attack is. So I'll save you your high horsedness and tell you that my name is a combination of Uchi and Harakiri, thanks; also I don't see how I was proved wrong. P.s.: I don't write fan fictions.
No, but you make a forum name based off a NARUTO character, which basically automatically makes you fail at life.
I have lurked, a good amount, look at my join date before you assume things you elitist douchebag. I was tired and people make mistakes when typing, just like anyone would a typo, it's easy so get off your high horse dude.
I have never been so tired that I said, "I'm going to go eat," only to subsequently take a **** instead. You are trying to cover your ***, and poorly, I might add.
While most this post is irrelevant to the argument as a whole. I will now tell you that the only manga I read whatsoever, out of all the manga anywhere, is Naruto. At the moment, I look at nothing else Japanese of that category, do not generalize me.
How is this BETTER? NARUTO is ********, and there are about infinity-billion better mangas out there. Why not choose a GOOD ONE?
Dash dancing into a regular dance, it's simply when you're dash dancing and at the end of it you simply just push left or right to go off in that direction.
I don't have any idea what you are talking about, but it might be fox-trotting?
someone do enlighten me because I'd be a bit bewildered.
We know you're bewildered. We've known that for a looooong time, and we've tried to enlighten you, much to our chagrin.
As for me knowing what l-canceling is, yes, I do know what that is. As for what happened with the terminology I simply got l-canceling and wave dashing mixed up in my brain due to my tired state, it was pretty late at night.
Ok, I've been tired in the past, but I have never confused a puppy for a car. Never.
Now if you said you were drunk, or even high, I would be more inclined to believe you, but even then I've read some drunk SWF posts, and even THEY knew the difference between the 2.
This thread is total crap primarily because the first post is biased as hell beyond belief. And primarily, because those that are against the first post can't make a solid, unbiased argument worth crap either.
Flaws With Some Casual Player (the "scrub" by Dylan_Tnga's definition)
- They get bitter when defeated by someone who plays in a different manner than they do.
- They try to re-defined the definition of "fair" by eliminating as many factors as possible that they are not skilled enough to work their way around instead of just trying to get better and ceasing all the ****ing whining.
- They believe themselves to be far better at the game than they truly are, and in the process look 5 times more ******** when they get absoluted demolished by a skilled (competitive or casual) player.
- They commonly accuse any situation in the game in which they can't play their way out of as "cheap".
Flaws With Some Competitive Players(codenamed "elitists" by me or "tourney***s" by those idiots at 4chan)
- They believe EVERY casual wants to aspire to their level, even though most casual smash players believe it or not HAVE A LIFE OUTSIDE OF SMASH.
- They turn a mere ****ing video game into "serious business".
- They get bitter and become the "scrub" if low and behold they run into a casual who is actually respectably decent at the game because they are too high on their own ego to believe that anyone who doesn't hang around the tourney scene could possibly be any good at Smash...especially because these types of elitists believe that they have redefined the standard for being "good at Smash" and therefore believe them self to be unbeatable.
- If they have never heard of you, they automatically underestimate you and believe that you're terrible even though it's not as if everyone has the time or patience to travel to a Smash tourney.
I am a casual player myself and find it insulting every time an elitist punk shows a display of ignorance by believing that they can immediately lump me into the category as the whiny idiots that can't see anything past defining "skill" as beating 3 level-9 CPUs on a team. I've seen advanced techs. I've seen combo videos. Hell, I even made my OWN combo video just for fun.
Being good at Smash is nothing to brag about, nothing to piss people off about, and sure as hell nothing to center your whole life on. Being terrible at Smash is nothing to brag about, nothing to piss people off about, and sure as hell nothing to center your whole life on.
Do I see wavedashing as a glitch? By my definition of a glitch, yes. Wavedash is an exploit of the physics engine (the actual bread and butter of user-to-game interaction) in the manner that in was never really intended. Just like in many 3-D platform games, there are collision detection issues that allow you to walk through walls and perhaps are advantageous to the progression of the game. Walking through walls is a physics issue just as sliding is playing after an air dodge is. I don't care what people say about characters having different traction. Try telling me that different levels of traction was intended...go on, try it. Stop being so insulted by the word "glitch" that you feel it's a direct insult to how you play the game. That fact that there even as an argument about semantics is appauling in its own right. If everyone can use the glitch then it's not really cheating now is it?
Should wavedashing automatically be removed? Well that's Sakurai's call, not mine. Personally, I don't use wavedashing because I feel it's unnecessary to my style of Smash play, but that's just me. Personally, the Smash community has helped this glitch evolve into an additional gameplay feature. The evolution of a game is usually a good thing, so why eliminate it? Left to me, I would've kept it just to shut up the elitist whining, but like I said it's not my call.
So this concludes my rant. Elitists stop being arrogant, pig headed asscakes and try being humble for once. And "scrubs", stop being wannabe-skilled posers and btching about something as trivial as video game...and maybe try actual getting better instead of making excuses for why you're incapable of winning. That is all...
tl;dr
That entire post and that's all you could pick out. My God...
Oh and for the record, you've just proven that you can't read. I said SOME competitive players are elitists and SOME casuals are "scrubs". You se what I did thar? I said SOME, meaning I don't generalize like the rest of the asscakes in this thread. Only reason I put "scrub" in quotes (NOT PARENTHESES) is because it's a stupidass word that was never even been applied to gaming until the elitists morons decided to have a field day with the newfangled slang dictionary. I hate "scrubs" and I hate elitists exactly like. They're both idiots with arrogance where it sure as hell isn't due. Elitists are arrogant about being good at a video game...of all things. And "scrubs" are arrogant about "skill" that doesn't really exist otherwise they wouldn't whine like little *****es when they lose.
The fact that this thread was engineered from a competitive player's viewpoint proves nothing more than this thread serving as bait for internet-power-hungry elitists to ream out anyone who disagrees. Is there anything wrong with tourney-goers? Not at all. Is there something wrong with tourney-goers who have the gall to shun people who play the same game but DON'T go to tourneys?...you're ****ing right it is! The fact that these type of tourney-goers (the elitists) believe they know how the world works just because they have the money and free time to go to tourneys regularly is sickening. And many of them believe they needed to make an appearance in this thread repeating the same old "Competitive > Casual" bull**** that we've been hearing since the dawn of time.
1. Don't automatically assume you're better than a casual at the game. Yes, it's more than likely that you are. You probably practice more often than they do and play against more skilled opponents than them. But don't automatially assume you'll win like an ignorant and arrogant prick. Because people that lose after underestimating their opponents look like the biggest ****tards ever. And nobody likes a ****tard...
2. Don't believe you're automatically superior to a person just because you can beat them in a ****ing video game.
3. "Scrubs" try to make up rules for a game to eliminate their chances of losing. Don't automatically force casuals who enjoy playing with items to stop using them in a casual match, because that makes you a hypocrite.
I personally believe myself to be a cross between casual and competitive because I don't use items, I play tourney-allowed stages only (usually), I made my own DK combo video, I use (as in choose to use) some advanced techs that I believe are important to my style of play. Only thing keeping me from being fully competitive is that I don't practice regularly anymore. And that I've never gone to a tourney in my life. And yes, I DID play against competitive smashers before in a casual dorm room environment.
And for the record, Buzz, programming in Java proves that you fear being a real man and implementing memory deallocation manually. From one CS major to another, I recommend you man up and adopt C++ as your primary programming language of choice.
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No, that is incorrect. I'm a casual player and I actively work to win. PROVE ME WRONG
Name some tournaments you've recently gone to.
Why is it that every time this ****** posts, he proves that he has Down's Syndrome? Maybe I'll just drop out of college, say "screw you" to all the extracurriculars I do, practice smash at LEAST 20 hours a week, ask my parents to load my bank account with money, use that money to travel to tournaments, and then brag about the fact that I have the time and money to go to tourneys regularly and shun everyone else who doesn't. Maybe that'll get your respect. OH...WAIT A MINUTE...your opinion means nothing to me! I guess you need to shut the **** up then. You're a complete ******* and I'm glad I'm not the first to bring it to your attention (and strongly doubt that I'll be the last). I never once said I hate competitive players. Hell, I'm partially competitive myself. And I have a lot respect for someone who can excel at a talent without sucking the fun out of it for other players through their arrogance. "Scrubs" don't excel at the game and are arrogant for no reason until a competitive (elitist or non-elitist) puts them in their place, and then they get bitter as all hell because they've been shown techniques and strategies that they couldn't even dream of. Elitists excel at the game, but are arrogant about being better than people who actually do more than play Smash and eat food. "Scrubs" and "elitists" are exactly alike in the manner that they both shun the other for not playing the way that they do. They should both go to hell and stop turning a leisurely activity such as a video game into serious business. So, 5150, you've proven that you're no better than the REAL definition of a "scrub" and perhaps I'll put this in a language you can actually understand....GTFO.
I'm glad to know that apart from the shmuck that I quoted above me, this thread has goten far more sensible. It's even more rewarding that most of the braintrust in this thread is from P2W (NES N00b, Smooth Criminal, and a couple more I may have forgotten). Keep fighting the good fight fellas.
tl;dr
When I went to my first tournament ever, I did not get my *** handed to me like I expected, but it was very much a challenge. I also met some people that would fall under the 'competitive' catergory that were really good and that weren't mean punks at all, they were actually really friendly. So I think when we think of extreme cases of 'casual and competitive' players, we lump everyone with either the casual 'n00bs' that are jerks, or the 'competitive elistists', who are also jerks. I think that those particular groups of people should just get over themselves so that people who don't fall into either category don't get lumped in with them in generalizations.
Who was at this tournament. Just because you go to a tournament doesn't mean you played veteran competitive players, and just because someone says they're good doesn't make it true.
Creator's intent =/= glitch.
Furthermore, there is no way to actually know what the creator intended without either asking them or being told by them, so all you can do is make baseless assumptions made off of personal observations.
Feel free to tl;dr this.
), Link always seems to keep up or surpasse my other characters. Sort of cool, but also sad.
