Pogeymafia: Red and Green - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Kanto?

[Xiivi]

Day 3 Ends & Night 3 Begins!

Route 3-4
Junglefever: (0)
ChiboSempai: Gheb_01, Xonar (:item9: :item9:)
frozenflame751: McFox, Ronike (:item9: :item9:)
Gheb_01: (0)
Handorin: Meta-Kirby (:item9:)
McFox: (0)
Meta-Kirby: (0)
Ronike: (0)
Guus: (0)
SummonerAU: Junglefever(:item9:)
Xonar: Handorin (:item9:)
Not Voting: SummonerAU, Guus, ChiboSempai, frozenflame751 (:item9: :item9: :item9: :item9:)

Guus, Junglefever, and frozenflame751 have been prodded.

frozenflame751, wild Pokémon Doctor Venusaur, has been modkilled.

It is now Night 3. Please send me all Night Actions by April 20th 11:59PM EST.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

****. That's what I get for forgetting to declare V/LA for the weekend. My bad guys.

Go Wild Pokemon!

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

no posting at night

 

[Xiivi]

Day 4 Begins & Night 3 Ends!

Another day broke in the lovely land of Kanto, but it was less than lovely when the sun came up and again the wild pokemon heard the call of someone fainting. The Pokemon found the body of a fainted pokemon:

SummonerAU (wild Pokemon Thief Gengar) has been attacked and fainted.

Suddenly only Pokemon fell, seeming to have been afflicted by some status condition. The pokemon tossed on the ground for a while in pain before fainting.

Ronike (wild Pokemon static Pikachu) has fainted due to poison.

The group weeps to see more wild pokemon fall, but they know it is now or never.

Day 4 Begins

Route 4-1
Junglefever: (0)
ChiboSempai: 0)
Gheb_01: (0)
Handorin: (0)
McFox: (0)
Meta-Kirby: (0)
Guus: (0)
Xonar: (0)
Not Voting: Guus, Meta-Kirby, Handorin, ChiboSempai, Junglefever, Xonar, Gheb_01, McFox (:item9: :item9: :item9: :item9: :item9: :item9: :item9: :item9:)

It takes 5/8 to lynch.

Deadline has been set for April 30th 2010 11:59AM EST.

 

[Handorin]

Who wants to set up.......a date on a tropical.....island..............I'm all alone and helpless........I don't know what I would do if I was.....................caught.....

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Sorry Marshy/Tom for talking at night, forgot that a modkill ends the day xD. Nice pic btw, Marshy, I KNOW IT FROM SOMEWHERE HUUUUHHH.

Anyways, I was poisoned 2 minutes before FrozenFlame died. Seeing as Pikachu just fainted from poison, expect me to die soonish (tomorrow I guess?) too. With that in mind a claim wouldn't be to bad I guess. Except if someone can cure poison...

It's Day4, that means there were 3 nights of recruiting for red and green, with red having 1 poke less. In theory, we would've already lost so we can safely assume that there's a restriction to recruiting (probably in the form of location)... but there's always the possibility of there being another victory condition for the trainers. :/

Right now I bet my cash on Chiboz/MK
Vote: Chibo

 

[Handorin]

Sorry Marshy/Tom for talking at night, forgot that a modkill ends the day xD. Nice pic btw, Marshy, I KNOW IT FROM SOMEWHERE HUUUUHHH.

Anyways, I was poisoned 2 minutes before FrozenFlame died. Seeing as Pikachu just fainted from poison, expect me to die soonish (tomorrow I guess?) too. With that in mind a claim wouldn't be to bad I guess. Except if someone can cure poison...

It's Day4, that means there were 3 nights of recruiting for red and green, with red having 1 poke less. In theory, we would've already lost so we can safely assume that there's a restriction to recruiting (probably in the form of location)... but there's always the possibility of there being another victory condition for the trainers. :/

Right now I bet my cash on Chiboz/MK
Vote: Chibo

Just because it might be.....impossible for town to win.....doesn't mean it ends the game..... the 2-3 other....remaining factions............have to fight still.....

Vote: Xonar

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

So you vote me on basis of game speculation? beside, notice this line:
but there's always the possibility of there being another victory condition for the trainers. :/

Even worse, you vote me because I say it might be impossible for town to win. Ehwat? I'm still trying to out scum, if you didn't notice. This has to be the weakest reason for a vote EVER.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

At this point, wouldn't it be best to not go after trainers but go back after who we think might've been caught? If there's town we don't probably won't win if we bust a trainer now, we'd be outnumbered by trainer + pokemon. If we knock out the pokemon first then the trainer (can the trainer rerecruit? dont recall) We could still have a shot.

 

[Handorin]

So you vote me on basis of game speculation? beside, notice this line:
but there's always the possibility of there being another victory condition for the trainers. :/

Even worse, you vote me because I say it might be impossible for town to win. Ehwat? I'm still trying to out scum, if you didn't notice. This has to be the weakest reason for a vote EVER.

I wasn't really paying attention that...........you even wrote this..... BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.... =D

It doesn't matter if....there is another win condition......they still have to take out the other factions......so you can be "scum"....AND hunt for "scum"....!

Scum....is such an overused....and misunderstood.....term........

I've thought you were.....anti-town....since D1....and since I'm still wild...I'm going to vote you..... unless a trainer wants to recruit me.....then I'm up for negotiations.....

 

[McFox]

At this point, wouldn't it be best to not go after trainers but go back after who we think might've been caught? If there's town we don't probably won't win if we bust a trainer now, we'd be outnumbered by trainer + pokemon. If we knock out the pokemon first then the trainer (can the trainer rerecruit? dont recall) We could still have a shot.

I can't seem to follow this. If we bust a trainer, then both the trainer and all of his Pokemon die. Whereas if we only hit a captured Pokemon, the trainer and anyone else he's recruited is still around. I don't really see how going after captured Pokemon before their trainer could be better, since if we kill the trainer it destroys that entire faction at once.

The OP says that the trainers were given 3 Pokeballs each, so it doesn't sound like they can recruit more than 3 times.

I need to catch up from when I was V/LA.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Never mind, I seemed to have forgotten about Mewtwo. What iw as trying to say that with the current numbers, if we were to knock out a whole faction, then town might be in the minority, so we'd lose right away, if that makes sense. But i didn't take into account the indy.

 

[M.K]

Never mind, I seemed to have forgotten about Mewtwo. What iw as trying to say that with the current numbers, if we were to knock out a whole faction, then town might be in the minority, so we'd lose right away, if that makes sense. But i didn't take into account the indy.

Knocking out a whole faction would be PERFECT for us regardless of either Red or Green. It eliminates one ENTIRE side to the equation. Killing Recruited Pokemon A vs. Killing Red with Recruited Pokemon A dying as well, and you're trying to argue in favor of Killing Recruited Pokemon A only? I know the point you're TRYING to make, but I just can't see the negatives of knocking out a whole faction, especially at this point in the game.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

FoS Scumbagfever

Only a trainer or a recruited Pokémon would know if knocking out a whole fraction would actually give the other scum party the majority - town isn't informed about whether a Trainer's recruits are succesful or not. For all we know aa trainer might've failed to catch any Pokémon at all in case catching depends on your location. Elaborate.

Curious as to why neither McFox nor Meta-Kirby seemed to have bigger issues with that. You directly quote these posts but don't see such an obvious slip and instead change the subject into a much smaller matter? Hmmmmmmmmm.

Everybody should vote toDay - since Ronike died somebody should be voteblocked, no?

Vote Chibo

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Eh? It was just speculation on the worse case scenario for town, though i guess the worse case scecnario for town would be that we're all recruited at this point, which could be likely or not likely at all depending on if location matters. I don't really see where i state that I know that knocking out a faction will give a faction a majority, i simply stated a scenario taht is a possibility.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Everybody should vote toDay - since Ronike died somebody should be voteblocked, no?

Vote Chibo

This.

Request Votecount

Please guys, vote for someone, watch out with lynching though ^_^''

Handorin, I still want you to explain why I'm 'anti-town', and this time without the scumslip, because I feel like I've been consistent enough outside of it.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No nvm lol. He died of poison, that doesn't mean that someone is voteblocked TODAY. In fact, I was poisoned start of last night and I'm still alive, so we could search for someone who was voteblocked yesterday.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I don't think FrozenFlame poisoned anyone because he would never kill Ronike.
With that in mind, the poisoner must be between Guus and ChiboSempai depending on poisons speed (in a normal mafia game it's 1 day)

Guus, say something.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Scratch that, I actually think it MUST've been FF who poisoned people. It's probably an attribute instead of a power though.

quad post for tha haters

 

[Jim Morrison]

I'm currently reading, trying to finish it today.

 

[Handorin]

This.

Request Votecount

Please guys, vote for someone, watch out with lynching though ^_^''

Handorin, I still want you to explain why I'm 'anti-town', and this time without the scumslip, because I feel like I've been consistent enough outside of it.

Tell me why.....I should ignore evidence.....

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No, I want you to build a case on me WITHOUT stating the obvious. If you want to lynch me based on that slip (which isn't even PROVEN to be decisive evidence) you are effectively not scumhunting, while getting away with it because you actually take a stance.

 

[Handorin]

I have to leave for work about........now? ....but I'll leave you guys this.....

Pretty much everytime.....I throw out a vote....Xonar says..."Can you build a case without using that "slip"? No? Yea, that's right. I'm so good, I haven't done anything else. I'm 99% consistent."

I think that sounds...... pretty fishy.....

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Thing is, everytime I ask you to make a case without the slip, you are unable to do so, and we both know that you voted me at least once a day. If you REALLY wanted me lynched because I'm 'scum', you should make a case, but you aren't making one. In fact, I'm going to Unvote, Vote: Handorin, I honestly see nothing town about your assaults on me or anyone for that matter.
and I assume you think my play hasn't been consistent outside of the slip, so I guess you can EASILY make a case on me.
For anyone writing that off as an OMGUS, go away, if he did this against someone else I'd vote him.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I've read everything. Haven't done anything else this afternoon, so I'm pretty bored now. I'm suspicious of Ronike, but I'm not going to explain it now. I hope you can wait untill tonight.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Lol, every page but last page that was @_@.

Seems Ronike is already dead :/
In that case, disregard that.

 

[Xiivi]

Route 4-2
Junglefever: (0)
ChiboSempai: Gheb_01 (:item9:)
Gheb_01: (0)
Handorin: Xonar (:item9:)
McFox: (0)
Meta-Kirby: (0)
Guus: (0)
Xonar: Handorin (:item9:)
Not Voting: Guus, Meta-Kirby, ChiboSempai, Junglefever, McFox (:item9: :item9: :item9: :item9: :item9:)

It takes 5/8 to lynch.

Deadline has been set for April 30th 2010 11:59AM EST.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

McFox, what's your scumlist?

Still want this answered.

Hando, do you have any other suspects?

 

[M.K]

@Gheb, well he said "might" so I didn't really pick up on that but now that you've emphasized it, I see where you are coming from. Still, I don't think that's the main issue. If we were to assume that the Pokemon trainers got 3 balls each and were successful in capturing wild Pokemon from nights 1-3, there would be 4 total on each team with Mewtwo as #9. Seeing as how there are only 8 people left, we can assume several possibilities.
Knowing that KevinM was killed from the Red Team, we can assume that the best possible situation for RED right now is Trainer + 2 Pokemon. The best possible situation for Green is Trainer + 3 Pokemon. Then there is Mewtwo. Trainer, Trainer, 5 Recruited Pokemon, and Mewtwo is one possibility of this game's set up as of now. However, that IS assuming best possible situation for trainers. Therefore, it's very foolish to suggest lynching simply the recruited Pokemon rather than focusing on the trainers. Even the best possible situation (which I highly doubt we are in at this point) for trainers and the worst possible situation for trainers (Green + 0, Red + 0, Mewtwo, and 5 Wild) would be beneficial to lynch either of teh townies.
But, therein lies the flaw. In the best-trainer scenario, EVERY faction would be wanting to lynch the opposite trainers, or in Mewtwo's case, either one. Arguing about the matter is not exactly relevant or helpful anymore. Maybe this discussion could have been better suited for early days, but at this point in the game, it's just not...important enough.
Xonar, you need to realize that people will always ride your case like that. However, I do understand what you mean when you say that Handorin doesn't typically come back with any amount of strong evidence, in quality or quantity. I've seen a variety of posts where he claims to be going somewhere (work, out, whatever), casts a vote, and rides through the day until night.
Guus makes me a little suspicious. I mean, the whole Ronike thing could've been just a slip-up, but Ronike was so un-prevalent through the last couple of days that it seems weird that he'd emphasize Ronike's suspicion over others. In my eyes, it almost seems like Guus could be a trainer/recruited Pokemon casting blame on others. We know that Ronike was town, and now Guus comes out with suspicion against him. I'm sorry if the above paragraph sounds stupid, do you guys know what I mean? I'll elaborate more simply if you don't >_<;

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I know what you mean about Guus, MK, I considered it too. I also realise that people will ride my case like that, but it shouldn't happen without anything else for 4 days straight. I'll just absorb the hate : P

Also, we have to consider 2 trainers recruiting the same pokemon, or mewtwo killing the one who was supposed to get recruited.
As I'm a wild pokemon, one of those must've happened. There are 8 players, 1 mewtwo, 3 red, 4 green if it wouldn't have happened. Yet I'm wild, thus something must've gone worng. There is also the possibility of a pokemon being able to protect recruiting, but I doubt it, except if there are more wild pokes out there.

 

[Handorin]

Thing is, everytime I ask you to make a case without the slip, you are unable to do so, and we both know that you voted me at least once a day. If you REALLY wanted me lynched because I'm 'scum', you should make a case, but you aren't making one. In fact, I'm going to Unvote, Vote: Handorin, I honestly see nothing town about your assaults on me or anyone for that matter.
and I assume you think my play hasn't been consistent outside of the slip, so I guess you can EASILY make a case on me.
For anyone writing that off as an OMGUS, go away, if he did this against someone else I'd vote him.

It's more like............... I'm pretty lazy and....... hate making long......... posts to make a "case"........... (because that's.......... all people think......... a "case" is).........

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Not good enough. You just don't want to fully commit to me because that would actually mean you take a stance.

 

[Handorin]

Not good enough. You just don't want to fully commit to me because that would actually mean you take a stance.

LOL...what does that even mean?....I've been advocating....your lynch since.....D1.....I think I...and others would agree......I have taken a stance on you....

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It's another thing to unvote someone who you have a big case on than unvoting someone who you suspect.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

If someone has an antidote or something similar, please hand it over to me.
...
...
I'm dying, squirtle.

 

[McFox]

Vote: Meta-Kirby

Just proving I can vote.

I think I understand what you guys are saying now. You're saying that the two opposing trainer factions are the only thing keeping each other in check from having already taken over the town. But if that's the case, is it even possible to win at this point? Lets assume that Red has 2 Pokemon, and Green has 3.

1 Mewtwo
4 Green faction
3 Red faction

Well in that case that's the entire game, so obviously this isn't the case. So let's say that both trainers failed to recruit one night.

1 Mewtwo
3 Green faction
2 Red faction
2 Wild

This would mean that, even if both trainers failed to recruit once, and granting Kev's death for Red's side, we're still outnumbered even by the smaller faction (not including the SK indy). =/

In order to win, we'd really need to lynch Mewtwo toDay, and then the Pokemon one-by-one, and then the trainers last, all without any more wild Pokes dying.

What I'm trying to say here is that I'm not very optimistic of a win for us. However, we could knock out the faction who is currently (theoretically) winning. Or the SK.

Gheb I haven't forgotten you wanted a scumlist. I was V/LA up until deadline yesterDay (or at least until the Day ended with frozen's death), and I'm in the middle of a 48-hour period where I work 24 of those hours. Tomorrow I have the day off, so I plan to go through the topic then.

Sorry Xonar, no antidote.

 

[M.K]

If someone has an antidote or something similar, please hand it over to me.
...
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I'm dying, squirtle.

Are you trying to suggest something?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

No nvm lol. He died of poison, that doesn't mean that someone is voteblocked TODAY. In fact, I was poisoned start of last night and I'm still alive, so we could search for someone who was voteblocked yesterday.

....Pretty Obv MK

and what McFox said is what I was basically getting at (except I forgot the INdy part).

 

[Handorin]

So why don't we.......drop the formalities...... =D

I'm a............


























































PC user and.......... windows 7.............. was my idea....................

 

[M.K]

....Pretty Obv MK

and what McFox said is what I was basically getting at (except I forgot the INdy part).

Yeah, well that's important if he's trying to hint that he's a Squirtle.

>_>