Pogeymafia: Red and Green - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Kanto?

[~ Gheb ~]

@Summoner

YesterDay you seemed pretty eager to go on the forefront with your night action results. Aside from that you've been keeping somewhat quiet. I assume you don't have any reports for N2? At least none that help us? It's a bit curious to me to say the least because your results were part of the reason swords was lynched but now that he's mislynched you seem to be a lot less active.

@Meta-Kirby

Despite getting almost lynched for it on D1 you still haven't been very vocal on D2 and you have barely said anything at all toDay. It might be just me but the fact that your only post toDay is about Pokémon in general - not even this game! - rubs me a bit the wrong way.


If we want to win this game then the most benefitial result toDay would be to lynch either Green or at least one of his Pokémon. Obviously, any scum would be fine at this point but the Green fraction could have up to 3 members at this point. With 11 players alive toDay a mislynch, a recruitment and a successful nightkill from the assumed SK Mewtwo would result in 9 players being left in this game - 4 of them are on Green's side. Assuming that Red can still recruit one player as well town is already outnumbered in case of a mislynch.

 

[SummonerAU]

Gheb, I said that Pokemon Tower wouldn't work again. blarghflarghasdfh

 

[McFox]

I'm going to be V/LA until April 19th. Taking a trip home (from NY to Louisiana) to visit my family. It's a surprise for my mom's birthday.

I promise I will have something to contribute when I return. Until then, I'm comfortable leaving my vote on frozen.

 

[Handorin]

Gheb- Green can have at.................. max two Pokemon..... He could............. not recruit N0.......... There have only...... been 2 nights since then.......

Vote: Xona...........

 

[McFox]

He said that the Green faction could have 3 members. I assume he means Green + 2 possible recruits = 3

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Hando, falling back on me because of the slip? That's a safe position for scum to assume.

 

[Handorin]

He said that the Green faction could have 3 members. I assume he means Green + 2 possible recruits = 3

Now that I read it.....again.......I think he meant after tonight......then they could have 4 people....(trn + 3poke)..........

Hando, falling back on me because of the slip? That's a safe position for scum to assume.

Sure.....whatever you say...........cause I've been advocating this.............since D1....evidence is evidence............

 

[CT Chia]

this game is moving so slow

 

[Ronike]

I'm back and agree with Hando on wanting to go with Xonar still.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Now that I read it.....again.......I think he meant after tonight......then they could have 4 people....(trn + 3poke)..........

This.

Since we can only lynch one player toDay we will probably be outnumbered already unless we lynch Mr. Green himself (or maybe one of his Pokémon). Not saying we should focus completely on finding Green - he can still be killed in the night after all. But I think we should stop squandering time already.

this game is moving so slow

Can we lynch Chibo plz?

I'm back and agree with Hando on wanting to go with Xonar still.

I don't know. I think Chibo and Meta-Kirby are good lynches.

Guus, did you reread yet?

 

[SummonerAU]

So lets have a look at the end of date vote counts over the last 2 days.

Route 1-8
Kirbyoshi (8) SwordsRbroken, Meta-Kirby, Omis, McFox, KevinM, Ronike, ChiboSempai, Handorin
Meta-Kirby (1) Xonar
Chaco (1) Ryker
Xonar (1) Chaco
SwordsRbroken (1) Kirbyoshi
ChiboSempai (1) SummonerAU
SummonerAU (1) Gheb_01

Not voting (1)frozenflame751

Route 2-9
Junglefever: (0)
ChiboSempai: McFox ()
frozenflame751: (0)
Gheb_01: (0)
Handorin: (0)
KevinM: frozenflame751 ()
McFox: (0)
Meta-Kirby: Xonar, Gheb_01 ( )
Ronike: (0)
Soaring-Raptor-Blast: (0)
SummonerAU: ChiboSempai, Junglefever ()
SwordsRBroken: SummonerAU, Soaring-Raptor-Blast, Meta-Kirby, KevinM, Handorin, Ronike, SwordsRBroken ( )
Xonar: (0)
Not Voting: (0)

People who were on both mislynches:
SwordsRbroken, Meta-Kirby, KevinM, Ronike, Handorin
Meta-Kirby, KevinM, Handorin, Ronike, SwordsRBroken

People who were on both and aren't dead:
Meta-Kirby, Ronike, Handorin

Things to note: Both Ronike and Handorin have voted after KevinM. Meta-Kirby also gets on both pretty early.

People who aren't on both mislynches: Gheb_01, Chacofever, Xonar, frozenflame751

Notice I'm not saying anything about what this means, draw your own conclusions and then post them so we get some talk going.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

That's interesting.

I will probably take a closer look at the votecounts to see if I can find anything. At worst it gives us something to talk about.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Chaco and Frozen didn't really get involved at all though x.x Well, frozen got uninvolved.

I'd actually be down with lynching Hando today, but I know nobody else is, so alternatives are Chibo and MK.

@gheb, care to post something nonfluffy like that post?

 

[Xiivi]

Route 3-3
Junglefever: (0)
ChiboSempai: Gheb_01, Xonar (:item9: :item9:)
frozenflame751: McFox (:item9:)
Gheb_01: (0)
Handorin: (0)
McFox: (0)
Meta-Kirby: (0)
Ronike: (0)
Guus: (0)
SummonerAU: Junglefever (:item9:)
Xonar: Handorin (:item9:)
Not Voting: SummonerAU, Guus, Meta-Kirby, Ronike, ChiboSempai, frozenflame751 (:item9: :item9: :item9: :item9: :item9: :item9:)

It takes 6/11 to lynch.

Deadline has been set for April 19th 2010 11:59AM EST.

Guus & Meta-Kirby have been prodded.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Xonar, who are you to talk? I've been trying to get information and discussion available all game. Can you earnestly say I have posted nothing but fluff?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Was just referring to last post, you say that you'll take a look and I haven't seen something. That said, I think you've been one of the most helpful townies so far. Besides, what does that first question mean, are you implying I haven't done anything?

 

[M.K]

QUOTE=Gheb_01;10041730]

@Meta-Kirby

Despite getting almost lynched for it on D1 you still haven't been very vocal on D2 and you have barely said anything at all toDay. It might be just me but the fact that your only post toDay is about Pokémon in general - not even this game! - rubs me a bit the wrong way.
[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, I haven't been actively checking DGames as I should have . Time slipped away from me. >_<
Truth is, I'm planning on going back to see the connections that Kevin had with certain individuals and see if that stirs up any possible leads. Currently, the only thing we have to go on is Xonar, once again forever until he's lynched for serious. I mean, that's just how it's going to be. I'd rather hear some type of information from frozen or Chibo. They've been uber quiet this game.
I do agree that Green should be one of the utmost, if not the primary target toDay. Killing the Pokemon is ALSO good, however, it's not as good as killing the trainer.
@Hando. I'm sensing something from you. Can you tell me why? There were instances in which you didn't use your normal posting habits (x.....y....z), so I can tell you don't have some type of posting restriction (or if you do, it's sporatic). I'm suspicious of you now.

 

[Handorin]

I've never done a......certain amount of dots...but I've always done it....iirc...but I do have to.....do it.....or bad things happen.......

 

[Jim Morrison]

Having trouble with internet as well as SWF. I'm nearly halfway now.

 

[SummonerAU]

so guys, nothing to say about the votes?

There's a perfectly legitimate chance to get some more activity going/maybe find something.

Interested about anything your learned from looking at the vote counts Gheb.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Alright, let's see if I can bring some live into this game again. Let's start with what we know already:

KevinM was alligned with Red.
Kirbyo, Omis and Swords were all townies.

We didn't have many votecounts on D1 - only when Xiivi took over we had reliable input. Before that there was the Xonar wagon, which still gets plenty support toDay. However, after reading through the game I'm 100% convinced that Chibo is scum, I still don't mind a Meta-Kirby lynch and I really think that one of them should go toDay.

Route 1-8
Kirbyoshi (8): SwordsRbroken, Meta-Kirby, Omis, McFox, KevinM, Ronike, ChiboSempai, Handorin
Meta-Kirby (1): Xonar
Chaco (1): Ryker
Xonar (1): Chaco
SwordsRbroken (1): Kirbyoshi
ChiboSempai (1): SummonerAU
SummonerAU (1): Gheb_01
Not voting (1): frozenflame75

This is the end of D1 votecount. All blue people are confirmed town, red is confirmed red alligned. The rest is unclear yet.

Unconfirmed people on the Kirbyo wagon:
McFox, Ronike, Chibo, Hando.

Route 2-9
ChiboSempai: McFox
KevinM: frozenflame751
Meta-Kirby: Xonar, Gheb_01
SummonerAU: ChiboSempai, Junglefever
SwordsRBroken: SummonerAU, Soaring-Raptor-Blast,, Meta-Kirby, KevinM, Handorin, Ronike, SwordsRBroken

This is the end of D2 votecount. Same deal again - red is red alligned, blue is confirmed town. Rest is unclear.

Unconfirmed people on the Swords wagon:
Summoner, Raptor, Meta, Hando, Ronike

People who have been on both mislynches: Ronike, Handorin
People who have been on one mislynch: McFox, Chibo, Summoner, Raptor, Meta

Interesting interactions:

Summoner where were you last night, serious question.

Confirmed scum nudging Summoner into giving info. Doesn't look like a play to me but you can't know for sure. Right now I'd like to think thatt Kevin and Summoner don't share allignments. Doesn't mean Summoner can't be scum but I doubt he's alligned with Red.

Kevin, wtf @ asking caught pokemon to claim? You realize that's like asking scum to claim? Reeks of stupid "too dumb to be a scum move" ploy. Also, now that summoner told you what you wanted to know, what was your theory? Did you learn anything exceptional from the location claim?

I can vote. Here:

Vote: KevinM

Incase you wanted confirmation.

Interesting.

I asked Frozen to vote to see if he happened to walk into Ronike's trap. He didn't and he chose Kevin as his vote after calling him out. Never seen Frozenscum bus his buddies ever and I seen him post that way as town in Popcorn. Very similar to Summoner.

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What do we learn from it?

I don't think that either Frozen or Summoner is alligned with Red.
This is based on their interactions on D2 with the only confirmed anti-town player we have so far.

Chibo is #1 on my scumlist.
Doubt that him and Summoner share allignments based on their interactions and final day votecounts. Kevin making a 180° turn on D2 after grilling Chibo all day and then turning to summoner (who voted for Chibo after the end of D1) makes me think that Chibo is Red and that Kevin covered him after being recruited by him.
Literally every post I've read from Chibo while rereading reeks of scum and looks very similar to how he played in Disney Popstars. That's not the town Chibo from Sleepover or Monster Island-

Vote cemented.

I don't like Meta-Kirby.
You've tried to out Handorin as Snorlax, you've been tunneling Swords all game and now that he flipped town you drop off the face of the earth. Tell me who's the play and why in detail. You need to step your game up more than anybody else.

Next in line on my lynchpool.

 

[Handorin]

Just pointing out....that Kev was not Redaligned...... on D1.... mistake on the colors...well....I guess unless he was recruited last night......and then died....hmm...I don't think that is a likely possibility though.....but your conclusion is also possible, since.....you looked at interaction flips....

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I just realized that Gheb and I might get to be friends in this game and it got me excited and wanting to ****ing lynch some scumboats.

I really like the analysis on Kev, as thin as the arguments may be that support me being non-red aligned. Though historically I haven't tended to bus my partners, a prime example of me doing so is Scum Wars, though admittedly those circumstance were far from traditional.

Basically I'm 100% sold on Chibo. I've had a nagging feeling about his posts pretty much all game but could never really find a way to explain the suspicion. I could definitely get behind his lynch.

Meta-Kirby I don't really see as particularly scummy, just like really misguided town, though the two are quite easily confused. He's been asking questions that don't need to be asked and calling things that aren't really very scummy, scummy, but I don't see them as being scummy in intent if you know what I mean. Not particularly opposed to an MK lynch but I still prefer Chibo.

Obviously Kev's 180 flip on Chibo poses a slight problem. Not so sure I'm sold that KevMo would bus like that, but regardless, the interaction plus general bad vibe-ness of chibo all game kind of trivializes that point IMO.

Xonar lynch isn't particularly abhorrent either IMO. Not so sure what motivated Hando and Ronike to push for him again (I suppose the D1 slip? I haven't forgotten about that either, and though its isn't quite as ****ing as before it still doesn't look good), but I certainly didn't get a positive read from Xonar's reaction. "That's a safe position for scum to take" is a little more aggressive and presumptuous of a retort than I'd expect from a townie.

But yeah, def. down with Chibo, MK, or Xonar at this point though I'd like to hear more from Ronike and Hando on Xonar if we're gonna go that route. Basically Chibo over MK and Xonar, and Xonar will either become 2nd best play over MK or fall behind him based on how that analysis goes in the hopefully near future.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

If Chibo is red, I'm not sure why KevinM would attempt to bus him like that. Even as an attempt to look good himself, if he's allready been converted he'd die with Chibo. It's a really high risk, low reward imo.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The thing is that Kevin never bussed him. On D1 Kevin was a regular wild Pokémon pushing for his lynch. After D1 ended he never went after Chibo anymore. Strong indicator for recruitment in my book.

 

[M.K]

I've never done a......certain amount of dots...but I've always done it....iirc...but I do have to.....do it.....or bad things happen.......

No, you haven't ALWAYS done it.

Searching is disabled, but there WERE some posts in D2 that you didn't have these dots. You're lying about that.
I'm starting to think that this way of posting is really just a rouse or a distraction.
No, seriously, I do.
GOD Smashboards, enable searching again. >_<

 

[CT Chia]

Gheb, theres a lot wrong with your post 941

Not saying it doesn't make you not townie, but you really need to slow down and take things one by one and know how the game seems to work with what we know so far...

1. You're calling Kevin scum on Day 1. No Pokemon were scum on Day 1.

2. You're saying that Summoner =/= Red team. It's Day 3 now. While it seems likely from the posts that Summoner and Kevin weren't aligned Day 2, what's stopping Red from recruiting Summoner on Night 2?

3. You're trying to clear frozen from him voting Kevin? He was the only vote on Kevin, I would hardly call that a bus.

When did Kevin pull a 180 and back me up on stuff? Tbh I don't remember, I can hardly remember him posting much at all on Day 2, wish the search function would work to look into this.

 

[SummonerAU]

Chibo, what do you think about the game so far? You haven't really said all that much today.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Xonar lynch isn't particularly abhorrent either IMO. Not so sure what motivated Hando and Ronike to push for him again (I suppose the D1 slip? I haven't forgotten about that either, and though its isn't quite as ****ing as before it still doesn't look good), but I certainly didn't get a positive read from Xonar's reaction. "That's a safe position for scum to take" is a little more aggressive and presumptuous of a retort than I'd expect from a townie.

I take it you disagree with it being a safe position for scum?

Chibo should take a stance.

 

[Ronike]

ATM, I like frozenscum the most for a lynch. His last post doesn't add up. First off, nobody ever is 100% sure of someone's allignment, saying so is either dumb play or trying to get people behind you. Second, if we forget that for a moment, then if frozenscum is 100% sold on chibo being scum, how come he isn't pushing just for a chibo lynch? Third, his last post was almost entirely air. Go back and read it again, it could have been said in a much shorter post much easier, but frozenscum puts a lot of air into his posts to try to make it look like they are massive posts. Fourth, Gheb's post doesn't mean a whole lot, ESPECIALLY the clearing, since red could have just recruited summoner or frozen, or they could be green or mewtwo alligned. Frozen, I refuse to believe you would miss this crucial point, I just think you like being clear. Fifth, frozen just would be one of the prime targets for recruitment, and that combined with his horribly scummy last post makes me quite comfy with his lynch.

Unvote Vote: Frozenscum

Les get dis wagon rollin.

 

[M.K]

No, that IS good. Why? Because the pokemon are antitown (antiwild) and them dying means they are gone and they can't work against us.

^^See, he's lying about his posting restriction . This was on Day 2.

Another thing I'd like to point out:

In the Pokemon games, especially Gold/Silver, Red says nothing but "..." when you challenge him to a battle in Mt. Silver, and "..." when you beat him.

I really, truly believe that this little posting show is just a show to lure us into believing you're town. It's almost like a really, really, really soft claim, of sorts. I'm pretty sure the flavor you try to attempt to prove to us is not legit, and it's to make us believe that you are a tired Pokemon when in fact, I believe, you are Red. You are smart enough to catch a player like Kevin, and you're smart enough to recognize that your posting restrictions can be used in favor of yourself.

With that, I Vote: Handorin A.k.a. RedScum.

 

[M.K]

Exempli Gratia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPG2AD_hJl8

 

[Ronike]

So... his posting restriction is bull, but due to it he is red? Doesn't make sense MK.

 

[Ronike]

Not to say your other points aren't valid and I wouldn't like to hear Hando explain, its just that point of your made no sense.

 

[M.K]

Well originally I would say that his "..."s could apply to many different pokemon and trainers within the Pokemon universe and he's using that to his advantage to disguise as a Pokemon, but I see what you mean now, since I quoted a post without the "..."s and maybe it's not . I want to hear Hando explain this though. >_< I just think it's total BS, why would somebody post like that for the fun of it?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

The giant laboratory roared with a great explosion and erupted in flame. A scientist in a white lab coat, with a capital R penned to its front, was thrown through a window. A mysterious Pokémon, bipedal with an enormous tail, floated after him. It lowered its head, and the metal helmet and armor that encased the Pokémon fell to the ground. He looked at the scientist in front of him, and his eyes erupted like the fire behind him. They began to glow purple, and as they did, he spoke without moving his mouth.

“You will pay. You will all pay.”

Pallet Town: the two trainers exited the lab with their new tools - a Pokédex, and three Pokéballs to catch the wild Pokémon that they would recruit to make their teams.

“I’m going to be the greatest. I’m headed to the top,” Red stated confidently.

“Not if I get there first,” Green replied with a snicker.

The two stared at each other before smiling. This world was full of wild Pokémon for them to catch, train, and use to become the greatest trainers ever known. What a great night to be a Pokémon trainer!

And what a great night to be a Pokémon! The wild Pokémon of Kanto interacted with each other – most slept, but some fought, and others explored new territory.

It is now Night 0. Tonight, you may not make any actions, nor use any items. You are only allowed to choose a location to explore. Take this time also to ask any questions, via PM to me, about what you might not understand, but please read the rules. Your exploration choice also confirms you for the game.

Night 0 ends in 48 hours, or when all players have confirmed.

Look at the ****ing red text. I do think that faking a restriction is bad but it's not a hint for red per se.

 

[Handorin]

^^See, he's lying about his posting restriction . This was on Day 2.

Another thing I'd like to point out:

In the Pokemon games, especially Gold/Silver, Red says nothing but "..." when you challenge him to a battle in Mt. Silver, and "..." when you beat him.

I really, truly believe that this little posting show is just a show to lure us into believing you're town. It's almost like a really, really, really soft claim, of sorts. I'm pretty sure the flavor you try to attempt to prove to us is not legit, and it's to make us believe that you are a tired Pokemon when in fact, I believe, you are Red. You are smart enough to catch a player like Kevin, and you're smart enough to recognize that your posting restrictions can be used in favor of yourself.

With that, I Vote: Handorin A.k.a. RedScum.

I'm automatically lying because..... I made a mistake.....and forgot I did....cool story bro...It's hard moving between....two games...

Was at a tournament.....for a couple days....I'll get to the specifics...when I get more sleep......I'm running on about 2 hours atm.....and would really like some more................... @_@

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Meta-Kirby I don't get your case at all. Are you saying Handorin is suspect because his restriction is fake?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Missed that

1. You're calling Kevin scum on Day 1. No Pokemon were scum on Day 1.

I never said that Kevin was scum on D1?

2. You're saying that Summoner =/= Red team. It's Day 3 now. While it seems likely from the posts that Summoner and Kevin weren't aligned Day 2, what's stopping Red from recruiting Summoner on Night 2?

OK

3. You're trying to clear frozen from him voting Kevin? He was the only vote on Kevin, I would hardly call that a bus.

Not clearing. Just thinking they don't share allignment. Doesn't mean Frozen can't be scum though I'm not getting the same scum vibes Ronike does (but then again Ronike knows Frozen better than I do).

When did Kevin pull a 180 and back me up on stuff? Tbh I don't remember, I can hardly remember him posting much at all on Day 2, wish the search function would work to look into this.

He grilled you like 75% of D1. Never again after that. I mean, why would a recruited Pokémon bus his own recruiter when lynching him causes the end of the whole fraction...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

McFox, what's your scumlist?