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Pogeymafia: Red and Green - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Kanto?

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I'd currently prefer a Chibo lynch, although at the rate he's going he might get modkilled anyway. In which case, MK is fine too. No idea if he could be a trainer or not. The problem is with three anti-town factions, two of those with two completely different kinds of roles (recruiting trainers and pokemon), it becomes difficult to sort which kinds of tells mean what. We're essentially looking at 5 different kinds of anti-town players. MK's been kind of flying under my radar for most of the game, so that in itself is probably a tell.

JF, some input would be nice. That was your only post in the topic in days, and considering what Gheb said about scum running out the clock, i'd currently be fine with your lynch too.
 

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Didn't like his little schpiel with the ... thing with on hando and hten how he unvotes then pussyfoots around voting him, but onyl saying he gets a bad feeling from him. Seems like bad case of omgus
 

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Didn't like his little schpiel with the ... thing with on hando and hten how he unvotes then pussyfoots around voting him, but onyl saying he gets a bad feeling from him. Seems like bad case of omgus
I haven't "pussyfooted" anything. I was perfectly content with keeping my vote on Hando, like I did for the past week. If you'd prefer that I keep my vote on Hando, just say so, but don't use it as a reason for why I'm suspicious >_> At this point in time, I just feel like there are bigger things at hand than trying to discern a possible posting restriction.
 

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@Gheb, well he said "might" so I didn't really pick up on that but now that you've emphasized it, I see where you are coming from. Still, I don't think that's the main issue. If we were to assume that the Pokemon trainers got 3 balls each and were successful in capturing wild Pokemon from nights 1-3, there would be 4 total on each team with Mewtwo as #9. Seeing as how there are only 8 people left, we can assume several possibilities.
Knowing that KevinM was killed from the Red Team, we can assume that the best possible situation for RED right now is Trainer + 2 Pokemon. The best possible situation for Green is Trainer + 3 Pokemon. Then there is Mewtwo. Trainer, Trainer, 5 Recruited Pokemon, and Mewtwo is one possibility of this game's set up as of now. However, that IS assuming best possible situation for trainers. Therefore, it's very foolish to suggest lynching simply the recruited Pokemon rather than focusing on the trainers. Even the best possible situation (which I highly doubt we are in at this point) for trainers and the worst possible situation for trainers (Green + 0, Red + 0, Mewtwo, and 5 Wild) would be beneficial to lynch either of teh townies.
But, therein lies the flaw. In the best-trainer scenario, EVERY faction would be wanting to lynch the opposite trainers, or in Mewtwo's case, either one. Arguing about the matter is not exactly relevant or helpful anymore. Maybe this discussion could have been better suited for early days, but at this point in the game, it's just not...important enough.
Xonar, you need to realize that people will always ride your case like that. However, I do understand what you mean when you say that Handorin doesn't typically come back with any amount of strong evidence, in quality or quantity. I've seen a variety of posts where he claims to be going somewhere (work, out, whatever), casts a vote, and rides through the day until night.
Guus makes me a little suspicious. I mean, the whole Ronike thing could've been just a slip-up, but Ronike was so un-prevalent through the last couple of days that it seems weird that he'd emphasize Ronike's suspicion over others. In my eyes, it almost seems like Guus could be a trainer/recruited Pokemon casting blame on others. We know that Ronike was town, and now Guus comes out with suspicion against him. I'm sorry if the above paragraph sounds stupid, do you guys know what I mean? I'll elaborate more simply if you don't >_<;
This is a quality post, pretty much sums up my thoughts on the situation at hand as well

I know what you mean about Guus, MK, I considered it too. I also realise that people will ride my case like that, but it shouldn't happen without anything else for 4 days straight. I'll just absorb the hate : P

Also, we have to consider 2 trainers recruiting the same pokemon, or mewtwo killing the one who was supposed to get recruited.
As I'm a wild pokemon, one of those must've happened. There are 8 players, 1 mewtwo, 3 red, 4 green if it wouldn't have happened. Yet I'm wild, thus something must've gone worng. There is also the possibility of a pokemon being able to protect recruiting, but I doubt it, except if there are more wild pokes out there.
While obviously we're all fighting for the wild side, saying multiple times that you're a wild Pokemon just doesn't sit well with me. It's like in a normal game if someone keeps saying I'm town over and over, obviously it's something to be assumed that they are acting as a townie, it's just making me confused. I'm not sure what the angle you're playing though if this is true, are you trying to lure a trainer into recruiting you for a specific reason?

LOL...what does that even mean?....I've been advocating....your lynch since.....D1.....I think I...and others would agree......I have taken a stance on you....
Looking back at this does remind me that this was a case, and that the two of us were primarily still keen on Xonar.

If someone has an antidote or something similar, please hand it over to me.
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I'm dying, squirtle.
You're sounding very desperate

I'm not squirtle, I just love that meme and seeing as I was poisoned it was somewhat funny. I should've gotten burned though xD

Btw guys nobody is roleblocked, just assume that FF's poisoning was an attribute (aka passive)
What meme?
What are you talking about FF's poisoning?

Wow...

Okay, like seriously? We are THIS FAR into the game, and you're not going to explain your thoughts? It's already annoying that you are STILL around, and I think it might be about time to get rid of you finally. Your case is typical of someone who avoids a lynch early in the game, then uses the "suspicions" as an "OMG HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME?" type of argument. It's almost like a pity plea. You're just riding through the game based upon the idea of "How DARE they accuse me, and now you're targeting me again? POOR ME!" and that makes people shy away, because NOBODY wants to be "that guy" that finally takes you down, only to have you run the slim risk of lynching town.
Please, nobody give him an antidote. It's a risky proposition at this point in the game anyways. I'm sure nobody was PLANNING on doing it, but just in case, don't.
This

So... you only supported Summoner revealing his info. (and don't say that's not what you wanted, you voted for him for what he claimed, so either you voted him to get him to reveal how he got his info., or you voted him to prevent him from doing so, and your actions highly indicate it isn't the latter) if you were the one asking it, but once Kevin makes an actual direct query instead of just tossing in his hook (for this metaphor, you are using worms to fish with while Kev uses dynamite), you're against it?
I voted him because of how dumbfounded I was from the information. I had no idea how he got such information that was shoddy at best it seemed with being all knowing to some random aspects of a night but not others. Almost like he fake claimed a bunch of random info, but forgot to fill in some of the holes.
In terms of the way you put it with either getting his source or preventing him, I didn't think of it like that. I simply found it fishy that he had all this information somehow and also felt the need to claim it all asap. Something just didn't add up with him according to me.

God, now I'm SO ANGRY.
Are you a ****ing idiot? DON'T YOU THINK I HAVE A ****ING REASON FOR NOT ELABORATING? YOU WANT ME TO ELABORATE? FINE. I'm Mew, ABSORBER. I can absorb any night action done to me and I can use 1 of them every night. THE THING IS, you fckers didn't use ANYTHING on me. Which is why it HAD to be Frozen as I was poisoned at DAY which is when FROZEN died. I also stated that it was an ATTRIBUTE as I couldn't copy it. I also hinted at this with Swords when he died, just go there and reread. I also posted 'I'll just absorb all the hate'... breadcrumb.


Shut up, you both are twisting things.
I never used the fact that I didn't get lynched to defend myself, I use the fact that THERE IS NO ****ING CASE beside the ****ing 'slip' which isn't even ****ing decisive evidence.

Don't even lynch me, I'll die of poison anyway. Anyone able to cure me, go ahead, although I bet nobody will do it. Currently, there are 3 reds, 4 greens and 1 mewtwo, I'm the only wild pokemon left. McFox and MK are obviously in the same team, kill them next, town.
Unvote, Vote: Mcfox
Ok, that's it - probably the worst post in the game lol

First of all - you are ridiculously overly super hardcore aggressive. I should infract you for censor dodging stuff but w/e. This just isn't how you talk to people. Hardcore AtE here.

Second of all - the color you used for saying the name Mew. Is this copied from your role pm? Why would you add it yourself? This could possibly be a modkillable offense here.

Third - Wild Pokemon are in like a greyish color, look at your role PM (considering you're not Xonar lol) or if you don't believe me look at the first post when the mod lists who has died so far. Simply put, you aren't aligned with Wild Pokemon.

Fourth - What is Mew with this Magenta color? A fifth party? I started to this that he was an ally to Mewtwo somehow but judging by the flavor at the beginning it suggests that Mewtwo stuff is in dark purple. The colors are highly similar though. Either Xonar is with Mewtwo or by himself on this. Either way, anti town.

Fifth - It still makes no sense that you're claiming that Frozen poisoned you. I still don't see the connection there.

Sixth - Go read your post again. Now again. Now your role pm. Now your post again. You answered yourself. You said you can absorb any night action, but you were poisoned during the day. Can't absorb day actions I guess?

Seven - Mew can't even learn absorb which is confusing. But the power sounds right for Mew being that it can learn any move. This is besides the point, I'm just a Pokemon nerd lol

Eight - You can't be sure that there is 3 red and 4 green


Ok so it comes down to this... Do we lynch someone else and let Xonar die and use today's lynch on someone else or do we finish him off fast?
 

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Ronike died of poison, I got poisoned. Someone is a poisoner. I absorb all night abilities, and I got poisoned right before FF died. I didn't absorb any poison ability, so we can assume that the poison was a day action, the only thing relevant seems FF's death, which means we can assume that FF is the poisoner.

First of all - you are ridiculously overly super hardcore aggressive. I should infract you for censor dodging stuff but w/e. This just isn't how you talk to people. Hardcore AtE here.
I didn't dodge anything for as far as I know. Call it AtE, I don't really care.

Second of all - the color you used for saying the name Mew. Is this copied from your role pm? Why would you add it yourself? This could possibly be a modkillable offense here.
Not copied from my role PM, I added it to draw attention to it.

Third - Wild Pokemon are in like a greyish color, look at your role PM (considering you're not Xonar lol) or if you don't believe me look at the first post when the mod lists who has died so far. Simply put, you aren't aligned with Wild Pokemon.
Cool story bro

Fourth - What is Mew with this Magenta color? A fifth party? I started to this that he was an ally to Mewtwo somehow but judging by the flavor at the beginning it suggests that Mewtwo stuff is in dark purple. The colors are highly similar though. Either Xonar is with Mewtwo or by himself on this. Either way, anti town.
Brool cory sto

Fifth - It still makes no sense that you're claiming that Frozen poisoned you. I still don't see the connection there.
See first part

Sixth - Go read your post again. Now again. Now your role pm. Now your post again. You answered yourself. You said you can absorb any night action, but you were poisoned during the day. Can't absorb day actions I guess?
Yupyup

Seven - Mew can't even learn absorb which is confusing. But the power sounds right for Mew being that it can learn any move. This is besides the point, I'm just a Pokemon nerd lol
Synchronize, his passive ability.

Eight - You can't be sure that there is 3 red and 4 green
Already talked about this.

Actually, I'm fine with going Chibo now.
unvote, Vote: Chibo
 

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Chibo said:
I voted him because of how dumbfounded I was from the information. I had no idea how he got such information that was shoddy at best it seemed with being all knowing to some random aspects of a night but not others. Almost like he fake claimed a bunch of random info, but forgot to fill in some of the holes.
In terms of the way you put it with either getting his source or preventing him, I didn't think of it like that. I simply found it fishy that he had all this information somehow and also felt the need to claim it all asap. Something just didn't add up with him according to me.
So you voted him because It didn't add up, but then when someone comes along and directly says "Hey, add this up", you're against it.

Also not sure why you spent like 4 points on Xonar's use of pink. I assumed that he added that himself, since Mew is associated with pink. Seems like a really weak way to make your post longer.
 

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I wasn't worried about my post being long lol, it was plenty long as is. I went into that because I've been in a handful of games before where people used the color that their name was in before copied right out of their role PM.

If everyone's names are in a specific color like in our role PMs, the ppl who are dead on the OP, and the flavor dialogue in the OP - when I see someone nameclaim and use a color like that, it's only appropriate that on reaction I would think it would add up
 

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Chibo making a longass case on the player who got most attention so far? I can see Xonar as a trainer but I could say the same about Chibo and Meta-Kirby. And I really wish Jungle would do more. Some people don't even seem to try looking like town...

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I can't really see the concrete case against Chibo or Meta-Kirby.
What did they do to warrant a lynch and can you provide evidence for it? I'm really wondering, because as I have read it (not re-read it just now, but before), I can't find anything that makes me say "Yes, that does make Chibo/Meta-Kirby look like scum"
If someone can provide me with a case that has any solid foundation I'll be happily lynching someone if it's warranted.
 

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I could see MK being a trainer, Gheb. I'm basing this pretty much on what I can remember for this day and pre-502 bull****, I'll go back after I'm done with finals and be more specific.
 

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I could see MK being a trainer, Gheb. I'm basing this pretty much on what I can remember for this day and pre-502 bull****, I'll go back after I'm done with finals and be more specific.
I'm not sure "I can see X Person being Y Role" is a case. Can you give me a little more information to go on so that I can help you prove yourself wrong?

In any case, I'm down with a Xonar lynch or possibly a Guus lynch. Possibly a Gheb lynch solely because he tries in EACH post to make himself "known" as town when something like that hasn't even been established yet. For example, he comments during lesser activity by saying "Looks like scum is riding the clock", which implies too much and is falsifying a claim that's like...subliminally hinting that he's town. Another example is about 3 posts above this one where he says "some people don't even try to look town...", which also subtly implies that others are not acting like him. Also, I've not seen much/if any pressure on him through the entire game, and that irks me.
 

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Possibly a Gheb lynch solely because he tries in EACH post to make himself "known" as town when something like that hasn't even been established yet. For example, he comments during lesser activity by saying "Looks like scum is riding the clock", which implies too much and is falsifying a claim that's like...subliminally hinting that he's town. Another example is about 3 posts above this one where he says "some people don't even try to look town...", which also subtly implies that others are not acting like him. Also, I've not seen much/if any pressure on him through the entire game, and that irks me.
Ever heard of the "too townie" fallacy?

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It takes 5/8 to lynch.

Deadline has been set for April 30th 2010 11:59AM EST.
 

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No one really answered my question

Based on what I had determined about Xonar (I guess another ques would be if you guys agree with me or not), is it better to lynch him today or to let him die of poison?
 

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The way I see it, Xonar's dead either way unless someone slipped him the antidote. If he's anti-town it works for us either way. People seem fairly certain that you're scum no matter what, so the only outcome of lynching Xonar is that you potentially get to live one more Day. Whereas if we lynch you, even if Xonar is town at least we get to take you out too.
 

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I think we should let Xonar die unless he's pulling some crazy gambit and isn't actually poisoned. I doubt he'd actually do that though and I still like to lynch Chibo regardless. If Xonar dies and flips scum on the way that's even better.

I'd like to mention that I will not be able to post by deadline because I'll be at a tourneyin the netherlands.

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Same V/LA as Xonar and Gheb for this weekend.

Vote: Chibo
I think he is a trainer.
I can safely assume that every wild pokémon is caught, that there are none left and everyone is in a certain anti-town faction now. This gets me to believe that I'm no longer fighting against an uncoordinated huge group, but rather against a trainer with pokémon that can communicate and go for a quicklynch on their suspect.
 

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That is L-1.
Chibo I have a few questions:
1) What do you think of Guus' hypothesis in the post above this one about everyone being caught.
2) Who are your top suspicions and why?
3) Why shouldn't we lynch you?
 

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I highly doubt everyone has been recruited. For that to be true everyone would have to be successfully recruited each night, which I find to be extremely rare with problems like the same person trying to be recruited in a night, or someone dying when they were targeted to become recruited, etc.

If I had to poke a finger at anyone, it would probably be Gheb right now. I really don't like his recent posts flip flopping and such and not really committing to a case. I really don't like Xonar's play either but I'm not sure what to think because of his claim.

You shouldn't lynch me if you want the best chance to win the game. I'm not a trainer, and obviously this late into the game the trainers are the key as all of their partners die when they are killed.
 

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You didn't really answer Meta's 3rd question lol. All you said was 'dont lynch me or you'll lose"

Why are people assuming that they are the only wild left?
 

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That isn't a good example? There's bigger fish to fry. People should be trying to lynch the trainers on the opposite team.
 

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Chibo, if you truly are town, why aren't you more passionate in defending your position? To me, it seems like you're just like "Whatever, if you lynch me, you'll lose so...yeah."
What's up with that?
 

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I'm not "town," I'm a red aligned Pokemon.
Since I'm L-1 feel free to ask if you want a more thorough claim, I'm not sure if that's the best idea with the third party (Mewtwo) still around.

What other defense do you want? I don't see why people keep thinking I'm a trainer or a good lynch target.

It's a really complicated situation for both of us (us as in me, on the red team, and u (not MK per se) someone on the green team. We both know our rosters and we both have two main objectives, find and lynch the other trainer, and mewtwo.
 

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Chibo, which night were you recruited?

Unvote Vote Meta-Kirby

Last post until saturday / sunday.

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Interesting development, if Chibo gets lynched as a red pokemon, we would handicap Reds party, but is that really what we need to do at this point in the game? I think the biggest threat at the moment would be Mewtwo. With him out of sight we can lynch our way trough the game, without getting annoying nightkills messing us up.
 

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Chibo, which night were you recruited?

Unvote Vote Meta-Kirby

Last post until saturday / sunday.

:059:
So....you're going to be gone until after the deadline? Annoying, especially when you vote without reason. I find that especially annoying.
There is something about Chibo that makes me think he's just saying he's a Pokemon to avoid the lynch, but....well, gotta take a look back through the thread, which is hard, since we don't know when people are recruited or if people are recruited (unless they state it).
 
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