Peach+ Get Pimpslapped!

[Dan_X]

LOL!!!! Peach hate has been one of the most entertaining things for me throughout my entire smash history starting from Melee XD

First off, the way you are describing Peach vs Falco is like.....unwinnable. Thats just not true, but I believe Peach has the advantage in the matchup for sure and as soon as she gets past the lasers its pretty easy to handle him. Peach's Uthrow can start insane juggles on Falco because it lets her connect Ftilt, which will combo into itself, and then Uair, which will also combo into itself. Falco can do some combos on her but it doesn't even out. Peach outprioritizes Falco (as she does with a lot of characters), which is an especially big deal because it makes her hard to pressure for him. On the other hand, Peach is one of the best characters for pressure in the game. Peach is good at edgegaurding Falco like she was in Melee, and Falco really can't do much to edgeguard her. Overall, Falco isn't totally helpless as you made him seem, but its Peach's advantage for sure from my experience.

Also, Peach's Dair is not spammable. SDI out from midhigh percents and your rid of that problem. The problem with Dair abuse for Peach is that characters can catch on and will learn to try and hit her out of the air. Falco can't do this really since his fair is so bad and his bair will be easy to see coming.

If you play this matchup AS CAMPY AS POSSIBLE you can give Peach some trouble but she beats you when she gets close. I don't care if its not fun. If you're not willing to do it you're not willing to play the matchup as you should. 60-40 in Peach's advantage. Oh, and after Uair Peach can often Fair falco since hes a fast faller...so you really don't wanna get grabbed because it can potentially lead to Uthrow>Ftilts>Uair(s)>Fair

EDIT: You're also making too big of a deal out of this. You can deal with Peach, its just...unpleasant.

Oh, how nice it is to PLAY Peach instead of having to play against her

I'm not going to lie, I was obviously sooo mad when I wrote the rant. I'm glad to see the responses, it makes me feel better about myself. I mean, it's so discouraging. Fighting her, and losing so terribly, makes me feel like I'm trash at the game. It's good to see that she is a sort of "special case," and always has been in smash history. Basically, my point is that I'm glad I'm not the only one who deals with this.

I'll try to keep my distance from her the best I can, as I see no other way to be utterly affective, thanks for the points!

P.S. Yeah, you're lucky your on the other side with this, you are a Peach main.

Holy wall of BAWWWW :V

From the sounds of that, its 50% hard counter, 30% bawww, 10% ur doing it wrong, and 10% lol'd (from me obviously)

I know how you feel. When I play peach with Marth, I have to play uber gay as possible. SO what you should do is switch up your play style specifically for this match up.

Play uber-gay and see what happens. I know it might not be fun, but there are always ******** matchups that you have to play completely different to overcome.

Try playing as gay as you possibly can and see what happens. Even if falco has no kill moves, you laser gay peach to like 180% and EVERYTHING becomes a kill move.:V

kgo

EDIT: Remember, when you play friendlies, you're also practicing for tourneys. When it comes down to winning, you WILL have to play gay in tournies. Get a feel for it now, put honor aside and piss off your friend from how gay Falco+ can be.

Thanks Neko! Yeah, I whined a 100% in the post. Not only that, you're right, I more than likely wasn't playing right because after a while of being slaughtered my moral dipped lower and I just go really frustrated. Frustration generally doesn't help you to fight better-- it's the other way around.

Thanks for the point regarding tournaments, I'm going to one at the end of the summer... any advice is helpful. Now I won't feel like what I'm doing is lame, if I camp all day. As you guys have mentioned, I will have to drastically change my strategy for Peach. Can't wait to try out a diff. style!

Ya honestly this is so true. Heres a quote from TheRealBobMan:

"Peach is, was, and always will be, the character that lives to make you suffer. Doesn't matter who you play as, doesn't matter what game. Peach exists to torture you and your friends."

Honestly, to play effectively against Peach you will have to play as "gay" as possible. Even Neko doesn't like fighting Peach and he has the ADVANTAGE. Really, you're making more of a big deal out of Peach than she actually is. Just remember that Peach is probably one of the most frustrating characters in smash history so you're going to have to play against her differently from well, any other character.

EDIT: If you do learn to play as "gay" as possible and truely play the matchup how it should be played and your friend still beats you badly, he is just better than you. The end.

Also, Neko where do you find this stuff LOL

Haha! Great quote! Yeah, I have nightmares about Peach. It's funny, I was a scrub back in the Melee day, though I was the best of my friends... I played Peach a ton, but never recognized how aggravating she is... I obviously don't play her in Brawl, as I only played her in Melee for fun with my friends.

Either way, I was amused by your responses guys, thanks for the insight! Also, thanks for making me feel like less of an idiot, as I now know this aggravation comes with the territory of fighting Peach!

Thanks again! ;D

 

[GHNeko]

Also, Orca. DO NOT LET PEACH CP STAGES WITH PLATFORMS. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.

Why? I LOVE PLATFORM STAGES against Falco. They are spectacular for Marth. They are awesome for Marth. AND They **** THE best approach in the game. SHDL falls almost falls into the sub-par approach category with platform stages.

Seriously. You're going to need a specific strat against Peach and a specific strat against Platform stages.

Get to practicing. Play on as many platform stags as possible because Falco suuucks on them.

 

[crazycrackers]

Honestly Peach has amazing CPs. She can take falco on japes because its so easy to hit him into the water. Green Greens just sucks for him...etc.

Anyway, Orca I'm glad you handled this maturely and changed your attitude from what it was in the first post. Says a lot.

 

[Nybb]

Honestly Peach has amazing CPs. She can take falco on japes because its so easy to hit him into the water. Green Greens just sucks for him...etc.

Anyway, Orca I'm glad you handled this maturely and changed your attitude from what it was in the first post. Says a lot.

In vBrawl Japes was Falco's best stage; he just has much manoeuvrability there. He can camp really well and the platform isn't high enough to escape lasorz. The water also means that his god-awful vertical recovery doesn't matter as much as it usually does. Granted, I didn't have much experience vs Peach in vBrawl (who did? lol), and B+ is a different game, but I would theorize there are better stages than Japes to take Falco to. Rainbow Cruise seems to be a pretty obvious one, and I agree that Green Greens would also be good.

On the other end, I would tend to ban FD/WFWR. Those stages must have been designed by Falco mains lol.


Also, what do you guys think of the Peach/Falcon matchup? I was playing this the other day and it seems to be quite in Peach's favour. It seems like she can just throw sh*t at him until he is forced to come to you, then just nair or something and beat all of his approaches. Even if he gets in, his main combos (dthrow) are fairly easy for Peach to DI/nair out of.

 

[GHNeko]

Peach vs Falcon is lol.

Its like a 90:10 match up in favor of PRIORITY.

 

[crazycrackers]

In vBrawl Japes was Falco's best stage; he just has much manoeuvrability there. He can camp really well and the platform isn't high enough to escape lasorz. The water also means that his god-awful vertical recovery doesn't matter as much as it usually does. Granted, I didn't have much experience vs Peach in vBrawl (who did? lol), and B+ is a different game, but I would theorize there are better stages than Japes to take Falco to. Rainbow Cruise seems to be a pretty obvious one, and I agree that Green Greens would also be good.

On the other end, I would tend to ban FD/WFWR. Those stages must have been designed by Falco mains lol.


Also, what do you guys think of the Peach/Falcon matchup? I was playing this the other day and it seems to be quite in Peach's favour. It seems like she can just throw sh*t at him until he is forced to come to you, then just nair or something and beat all of his approaches. Even if he gets in, his main combos (dthrow) are fairly easy for Peach to DI/nair out of.

Oh ya I wasn't saying I would CP japes against a falco I was saying that Peach can actually take him on on that stage. Rainbow Cruise is indeed good and so is Green Greens. Those are my two personal choices for CPing Falco. I'd ban WFWR over FD. And the Peach vs Falco matchup is pretty bad. I'd say 65-35 Peach but I'm not sure on the specific numbering of the matchup really.

 

[GHNeko]

Be sure to have the TO include the FD rule at B+ tourneys imo.

 

[deepseadiva]

Get more peach players on to B+. :V

I played this game just yesterday. It's fun. @____@

Though I like Brawl better.

...I think.

...

Continue.

 

[GHNeko]

I played this game just yesterday. It's fun. @____@

Though I like Brawl better.

...I think.

...

Continue.

I dare you to play through a 15+ man Brawl+ tourney using only peach on the latest beta and come back to this board and say that you like Brawl better.

I. DARE. YOU.

:V

 

[deepseadiva]

There might actually be one tomorrow. We'll see.

No, I'm also aware Peach is very very good in the game - but Brawl at least presents a challenge.

I just dair and win in Plus.

 

[Veril]

I just dair and win in Plus.

Yeah... you try that. I'm sure nobody is good enough to beat that.

Get rested, b****!

No, I'm also aware Peach is very very good in the game - but Brawl at least presents a challenge.

So much fail. You make me sad. The reason to play B+ is that its more fun than Brawl. Also, Peach's greatness is debatable and if you haven't had a challenge yet... come to NY sometime.

 

[GHNeko]

There might actually be one tomorrow. We'll see.

No, I'm also aware Peach is very very good in the game - but Brawl at least presents a challenge.

I just dair and win in Plus.

Then your opponents are doing it wrong.

 

[deepseadiva]

Quite possibly, but I won't complain because I enjoy money.

Even though it'll probably be a free tourney.

 

[GHNeko]

Quite possibly, but I won't complain because I enjoy money.

Even though it'll probably be a free tourney.

Tell the Marf players to fair more. That will get you doing more than dair.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Actually, I do think float cancel is back. Do a low float, and fair. Now, in regular brawl, depending on when you drop your float, you might lag. But, in Brawl+, no matter where you drop your float during the fair, it'll be near lagless.

 

[GHNeko]

Actually, I do think float cancel is back. Do a low float, and fair. Now, in regular brawl, depending on when you drop your float, you might lag. But, in Brawl+, no matter where you drop your float during the fair, it'll be near lagless.

That's universal auto lag reduction for you. :V

 

[crazycrackers]

Actually, I do think float cancel is back. Do a low float, and fair. Now, in regular brawl, depending on when you drop your float, you might lag. But, in Brawl+, no matter where you drop your float during the fair, it'll be near lagless.

This is incorrect. You can still do an incorrectly auto-canceled fair and Peach will do her "falling over" animation when she does it. I actually thought it was back because I autocancel all my aerials but one day my friend challenged me to a Peach ditto as a joke and he messed up a Fair. Although, keep in mind, a missed autocancel on fair has WAY less lag than it does in regular brawl.

 

[crazycrackers]

Peach vs Falcon is lol.

Its like a 90:10 match up in favor of PRIORITY.

For some reason I read "Falco" instead of "Falcon". But ya, Peach ***** Falcon. Peach priority is too good, plus Falcon is really easy to edgeguard, combo, etc. Peach should also never go offensive unless shes pressuring/tech chasing.

 

[Meru.]

Hi topic! I'm bringing you to life again! 8D

Acoording to the members who posted in the top ten characters topic, this is the top 10.

Marth: 50
MK: 48
Fox: 44
Squirtle: 40
Luigi: 34
Kirby: 34
Sheik/Zelda: 30
Falco: 29
Olimar: 22
Captain Falcon: 21

How good do you think Peach does against them? IMO the ratios are:

Marth: 40-60
MK: 40-60
Fox: 55-45 or 50-50
Squirtle: 50-50
Luigi: 50-50
Kirby: 50-50 or 55-45
Sheik/Zelda: 55-45 or 60-40
Falco: ???
Olimar: 65-35
Captain Falcon: 65-35

 

[GHNeko]

Falco is 70-30 Peach imo, the lowest in peach is favor is 60:40

 

[Veril]

Falco is 70-30 Peach imo, the lowest in peach is favor is 60:40

lolwut

You've gotta explain that. Marth is at a disadvantage to Peach? I mean I know you know what you're talking about, so I'm really curious to hear how this is possible.

 

[crazycrackers]

Veril, he said >>>>>Falco<<<<< is at a disadvantage to Peach at a minimum of 60-40. Also Yaaay Falco vs Peach is probably 65-35 Peach advantage.

EDIT: Yaaay, from my experience the matchups of the "top ten" would be like this:

Marth: 40-60
MK: 40-60
Fox: 55-45
Squirtle: 50-50
Luigi: 50-50
Kirby: 50-50
Sheik/Zelda: It depends, Sheik 60-40, Zelda 50-50 or 45-55
Falco: 65-35
Olimar: 65-35
Captain Falcon: 65-35

 

[Meru.]

Wow, is it really that bad for Falco? o_o

Sheik/Zelda: It depends, Sheik 60-40, Zelda 50-50 or 45-55

I don't think Zelda has an advantage. Sure, she can take away some things, but so can we! ;D I think Zelda is a 50-50 or 55-45.

I really like the Zelda match-up btw, really fun.

 

[Airgemini]

They want to take our Bombs away ;-;

 

[~tgm_Zeej]

You must defend your right to pull mini-nukes out of the ground. We can't have Peach losing to Sektor, now can we? D=<

 

[Meru.]

NO! DON'T LET THEM!

Only if we can pluck a final smash for ourselves. Till then, NO!

But seriously, why?

 

[GHNeko]

Its not happening. :V

Don't worry about it. People are just trying to make the game more competitive by removing random factors that are luck based. V:

I'm against it though.

 

[Magus420]

II.b. Special moves
236P : Summons a random item. Can only be done when there's no item (with some exceptions). The item can be :
- Hammer : Does moderate damage. Falls quickly. Can quickly make the opponent dizzy.
- Washbasin : Does moderate damage. Knocks the opponent down. Can quickly make the opponent dizzy.
- Poison : Does low damage but poisons the opponent for a while. A moment after the poison appears, Faust can do this move again.
- Bomb : Does high damage. Can hurt both the opponent and Faust. Can't be teched. Right before the bomb explodes Faust can do this move again.
- Mini Faust : Walks slowly. Is invincible before it lands on the ground. Can nullify projectiles. After it lands or hits the opponent , Faust can do this move again.
- Mini Robo-Ky : Walks fast. Causes knockdown on hit. Is invincible before it lands on the ground. Can nullify projectiles. After it lands or hits the opponent, Faust can do this move again.
- Mini Potemkin : Walks very slowly, but hits 3 times. Is invincible before it lands on the ground, and in between hits. Can nullify projectiles. After it lands or hits the opponent, Faust can do this move again.
- Chocolate : Fills a little bit of tension gauge. Both players can take it.
- Donut : Fills a little bit of health gauge. Both players can take it.
- Meteor : Hits 6 times. Highly damaging. Goes through projectiles.
- Coin : If it hits the opponent, the next time Faust does his hand slap move (41236K then 44 then 236P x 3) it will be the flaming version.

II.e. Super Moves
236236P : The same as his 236P, but this one summons 4 random items. Has invincibility effect at the beginning. Can be done regardless of the presence of any items.

So I herd that GG game is pretty uncompetitive.

 

[GHNeko]

...OH WOW.

So. can we **** them with this?

 

[iSpiN]

Took me a second but I lol'd @ Magus's posts.

 

[Meru.]

I dont get it o.o

 

[RyokoYaksa]

I don't know whether to make a crack against diehard Peach mains, or Europeans.

 

[GHNeko]

I dont get it o.o

He's saying that GG, one of the most competitive and balanced fighters out there has a character with an special move/super move that is completely random. :V

 

[Meru.]

Oh! Now I get it.

Spoiler

I've never heard of GG ;o

 

[GHNeko]

Guilty Gear?

 

[crazycrackers]

Wow, is it really that bad for Falco? o_o



I don't think Zelda has an advantage. Sure, she can take away some things, but so can we! ;D I think Zelda is a 50-50 or 55-45.

I really like the Zelda match-up btw, really fun.

I agree with 50-50.

Aaaaaaaaaaanyway.....

DON'T TAKE OUR BOMBS!!!! Show them the GG post about random objects. Seriously, somebody is going to get slapped if they take our bombs ><

 

[GHNeko]

It's not happening. calm down.

 

[crazycrackers]

It's not happening. calm down.

*huffs and puffs*

*moves on*

About the top 10, I honestly think Peach is capable enough to be #10. Does anyone else agree with me?

 

[Meru.]

No. I think she much better than #10, just a hard learning curve. Peach's potential is bigger than J-Lo's Azz.

Guilty Gear?

Sound familiar.

 

[crazycrackers]

No. I think she much better than #10, just a hard learning curve. Peach's potential is bigger than J-Lo's Azz.



Sound familiar.

lol i've been playing Peach since Melee XD. Its just, Marth/MK/Fox/Squirt/etc. seem like they just go over Peach. Although I admit I could see Peach as higher than #10