CO18
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Peach is nasty. She's my 2ndary. Shes got a crap load of potential like he said. She'll definitley be top 10 IMO.
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Peach+ Get Pimpslapped!
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Smash Hero
woot co18 plays +?! too good!
peach sucks ;D
peach sucks ;D
vs fox
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crazycrackers
Smash Journeyman
Peach is indeed pretty nasty in +. IMO she a definite top 10. Her combos aren't that great but she has insane pressure among other things which make her all around great. Besides, her combos are pretty nasty if shes fighting a faster-faller/fatty, or if she has platforms to help extend her juggles. And Peach does NOT suck against Fox. Its around even.
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Smash Hero
lol I'm just joking about the matchup 
. So far I haven't had a problem with peaches as fox but that's just me. Fox camps her pretty badly and Peach is pretty bad at killing. I'd say Fox still wins it by a good amount though.
The sig fits so...ya...
. So far I haven't had a problem with peaches as fox but that's just me. Fox camps her pretty badly and Peach is pretty bad at killing. I'd say Fox still wins it by a good amount though.The sig fits so...ya...
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I don't really know the Fox match-up, but I don't think it's Fox's advantage. Around even, like crazycrackers said.
Amazing.
... Am I the only one who thinks this? o.o
O_O Her combos are amazing. Amazing amazing amazing. Amazing.
Amazing.
... Am I the only one who thinks this? o.o
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Smash Hero
Fox can camp Peach all day if he wants to. Peach isn't fast enough to catch him.
Fox can relentlessly attack peach now without worrying about being shield grabbed or cg'd. He can combo her ridiculously. Peach can combo, but who can't? She's simply not fast enough to keep up with Fox.
The only advantage peach has is more aerial range/priority, and that's not too big of a deal. It's harder to gimp Fox in this game so Peach can't really get early kills, and Peach can't really kill that well so Fox can do whatever he wants even longer. Now that I think about it, I'd say Fox beats Peach pretty badly.
This is just for discussion purposes, honestly. I'm not trying to be a jerk or whatever. I'm happy to talk about the match up all you guys want, and I'd actually love to see your perspective on it.
Fox can relentlessly attack peach now without worrying about being shield grabbed or cg'd. He can combo her ridiculously. Peach can combo, but who can't? She's simply not fast enough to keep up with Fox.
The only advantage peach has is more aerial range/priority, and that's not too big of a deal. It's harder to gimp Fox in this game so Peach can't really get early kills, and Peach can't really kill that well so Fox can do whatever he wants even longer. Now that I think about it, I'd say Fox beats Peach pretty badly.
This is just for discussion purposes, honestly. I'm not trying to be a jerk or whatever. I'm happy to talk about the match up all you guys want, and I'd actually love to see your perspective on it.
CO18
Smash Hero
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Smash Hero
I'm gonna photoshop CO18 above some DDD and put it in my falcon combo video...
CO18
Smash Hero
Don't Do it! Reconsider!
Ima have some vids of my fail peach up soon.
Vs Falco and Lucario.
crazycrackers
Smash Journeyman
Against someone who doesn't have great DI her combos are amazing but when you're put up against said person....
I'm not saying her combos are BAD. They're pretty good, just not amazing when compared to some other members of the cast like Fox. If shes put up against a fast-faller (this especially), a fatty, or she has platforms her combos can be pretty **** though. Against fast fallers she has stuff like dtilt>usmash (for the kill) and repeated ftilts>repeated uairs>fair. Her combos are actually AMAZING against fast fallers. Versus fatties is basically like comboing fast fallers but not quite as good. With platforms her uair juggles can be extended. Basically, Peach can have amazing combos given the right situation but her combos aren't as good in general when compared to major combo-characters.
slikvik
Smash Master
her shield pressure game is pretty broke. her followups are pretty good too. i thought her combos were good in the beginning, but i agree with crazycrackers
Roxas215
Smash Lord
Omg i forgot all about this thread lmao. Im so sry. I've been so busy with college and everything that this totallt slipped my mind. Looks like the thread has gotten big though. If anyone has anything to add to the 1st post pm it to me and ill update it. If there is anyway to give access to someone else to edit the 1st post let me know.
However i will be adding alot of vids shortly. I got tons of great peach matches saved
However i will be adding alot of vids shortly. I got tons of great peach matches saved
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Smash Hero
Phillyrider how've u been :D (this is yes!) I need to get to philly sometime.
crazycrackers
Smash Journeyman
Peach can definately keep up with Fox. Also, the combos Peach can do on Fox are ridiculous because he is a fast-faller. On fast-fallers Peach can do Uthrow>Repeated Ftilts>Repeated Uairs>Fair. I'm not sure if you know how much damage a combo like this will do, but its insane.
Peach does not have trouble finishing Fox. As Peach at least, Fox is easy to edgeguard/gimp. UpB is easy to gimp for the obvious reasons and sideB is whooped by Peach's Usmash, Nair, Fsmash...Usmash being the most deadly of course. And the fact that we've been edgeguarding Fox in the same ways since Melee doesn't help him in terms of predictability. Peach also outprioritizes Fox clearly.
Well, this is just my experience anyway. I find the matchup to be around even, but I haven't played against any GREAT Foxes.
slikvik
Smash Master
you were just lucky i was playing bad. it was like 3-4am XD
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Smash Hero
Did the 20 sd's vs chu mean I was playing at my best too?
Surviving to 150% on average vs peach means she sucks at killing. Fox doesn't get grabbed if he's busy shooting lazers btw :D
slikvik
Smash Master
lol at u responding to my 1 sentence randomness. you have been baited
crazycrackers
Smash Journeyman
She doesn't need to get a grab to start a combo since ftilt is capable of hitting on its own.
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Smash Hero
sorry man i'm on edge. I intern at a pediatric clinic and I have to worry about catching the swine flu every day, and I worked 11 hours today...for free. Don't take it personally please
that's why small stages are usually banned by me
crazycrackers
Smash Journeyman
Bleh. I'd get more into detail about this if we were actually discussing matchups >_>. I admit its definately NOT in any way a Peach advantage matchup, but MABEY 45-55 (Advantage Fox, although still around even), mabey 50-50 seems right to me. I guess I'm trying to say Peach does not get beat by Fox "pretty badly". Although, I respect your points since I trust you as a credible source for Fox matchups and the like.
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You severely underrate Peach's speed. She is not that slow you know. He can't camp Peach all day lol. Especially considering we also have a projectile that we can glide toss + we can float if we really need to.
Also, Peach's mobility may be a bit on the slow side, but her attacks certainly aren't. If you approach us, don't think we'll stand and wait for you to attack. Jab, Nair, Dsmash, Turnips, Dair, Bair, they can all stop you. Not to mention our combos.
I'm somewhat inexpirienced in the match-up, but I can't see this in Fox's advantage or Peach's advantage. Dead even IMO.
About the combo's; Yeah, you made a good point Cracycrackers. But still, I do think she's one of the better comboers in the game. It may be a bit harder for her than other characters, but she can definitely pull off many crazy combos.
crazycrackers
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Peach is slow, but not slow in the way that she can't keep up. Peach is capabable of playing very high-paced styles. Fox can camp Peach, but it won't win him the match. Once she gets in she can play just as fast as Fox will and she can certainly keep the pressure on.
Roxas215
Smash Lord
Fox can camp peach but camping all day wont win the match. Yes peach is slow but once she does get in she can do damage. On top of that fox is a fast faller so he is very suspect to CRAZY combos by peach.
I played yes a couple times and lost and i still think the matchup is even or at best 55/45 fox. My peach is alot better then it was the last time i played him and i look forward to matches in the future!
I played yes a couple times and lost and i still think the matchup is even or at best 55/45 fox. My peach is alot better then it was the last time i played him and i look forward to matches in the future!
It has been found that altering the BKB/KBG figures for Peach's fair for the purpose of giving it less advantage on shield was completely ineffective. Pretty much Peach got a better killing Fair for no reason while still having up to +10 frame advantage.
So yeah, expect something to be done about that. :3
So yeah, expect something to be done about that. :3
crazycrackers
Smash Journeyman
The frame advantage was 7 or 8 frames. And its not even a big deal. Peach would have to space fair as horribly as possible to be in grab range afterwards without dashing. So honestly, if you don't perfect shield or move out of the way, and you're in that situation in the first place, and Peach spaces THAT badly...when you fall for that trick, you probably deserve to. Really, no Peach is actually going to try to fair that close in. I'd rather space my fairs perfectly than space them terribly and get punished a bunch of times in exchange for a grab.
Debug pause shows the best possible advantage to be 10.
At any rate, the change is worthless except to make an already highly applicable move kill a little bit -too- well.
At any rate, the change is worthless except to make an already highly applicable move kill a little bit -too- well.
crazycrackers
Smash Journeyman
Too well? I see why you would want to remove the change because it was unneccesary, but I don't view Fair as a move that kills "too well". The difference from old fair to new fair isn't that big really.
crazycrackers
Smash Journeyman
We lowered the BKB (to remove shieldstun but it apparently failed) and raised the KBG (to compensate) but theres honestly not really a difference basically. The fact that you didn't notice a difference (and neither did I in terms of killing power really) shows how slight it is.
Base Fair starts killing Mario from the center of FD at 133. New Fair starts killing at 115. I wouldn't really call that slight when it pretty much makes Peach's overall best KO move move further ahead of her other options.
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I haven't noticed it AT ALL! I thought it got nerfed!
... Honestly, I don't want her to get nerfed (A)
crazycrackers
Smash Journeyman
Does she even need a nerf right now? I mean she seems pretty perfect.
EDIT: I know we're not suppose to be discussing changes but its kind of neccessary in this situation. Also, are those kill %s with DI or without 0_o.
EDIT: I know we're not suppose to be discussing changes but its kind of neccessary in this situation. Also, are those kill %s with DI or without 0_o.
Roxas215
Smash Lord
I honestly didn't notice it at all.
slikvik
Smash Master
I'm assuming this is without DI. I don't seen how it kills too well. Its good but there are much better kill moves.
It's much easier to sweetspot falcons knee, which is a much better KO move than peachs fair. It's also his best KO move further ahead of his other options but they gave it a buff anyway
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Preach!!!!!!
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I noticed it easily. ;p It doesn't kill too well btw. It just kills well. I agree with Slikvik.
crazycrackers
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Its honestly fine the way it is IMHO. Its not like Peach actually NEEDS nerfs. I also agree with Slikvik
By Peach standards it's killing a bit too well. Falcon's knee is nowhere close easy to sweetspot in this game against the general population of characters, and you really can't compare their KO moves because they have entirely different assets as it is. The Fair buff will probably be replaced by a KB increase on a more awkward move as a trade off. Right now the Fair is literally equivalent in power to Zelda's Fsmash in an easy to use, very safe aerial aerial. This was by all intents an oversight of the people who originally drew up the numbers.
Not to mention, we can rather agree that CF is really meh compared to Peach who gets comboed far harder than he himself can hope to combo anyone else.
Heck, I don't agree with it as a Peach main... it's never really necessary to make an amazing, already very applicable aerial even better in such a way. It makes her more shallow.
Not to mention, we can rather agree that CF is really meh compared to Peach who gets comboed far harder than he himself can hope to combo anyone else.
Heck, I don't agree with it as a Peach main... it's never really necessary to make an amazing, already very applicable aerial even better in such a way. It makes her more shallow.