[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Chief Mendez]

I don't think that we'll ever see a 1up in the match... think of the effect on the Big Picture, even on the casual scene...

For serious, yo.

Even if you could turn it off, it's still a silly idea. Plus, if by some act of Satan there was a like item in the game, it would obviously be a 1-UP Mushroom, not a "1-Up".

 

[ness4life]

For serious, yo.

Even if you could turn it off, it's still a silly idea. Plus, if by some act of Satan there was a like item in the game, it would obviously be a 1-UP Mushroom, not a "1-Up".

True, it is the better known item, but I still wouldn't put it past Sakurai to plug his own series.

The moveset replacement for Snake is not a Metal Gear character...

C'mon Chrono, stop beating around the bush and give us a link already!

 

[OmegaXXII]

The moveset replacement for Snake is not a Metal Gear character...

oh you meant a Konami representative right? but how would they have a cod...

screw this I need a link of your essay, do you have one?

 

[ness4life]

OK, why did the world stop to wait for Chrono to reply? Oh, right, East Coast Time.... it's still 7:20 here!

Whoah, why did Nintendo make a deal with Comcast to package a Wii with every cable plan? That was the weirdest commercial I've seen in a while.

Right, SSB4... Any stages that MUST be in? A tetris stage, and a stage based on the trampoline minigame from New Super Mario Bros.

I don't care if they're both gimmicky, they would be awesome!

 

[Lord Hokage]

I have one suggestion:

NO MEGAMAN!!! in SSB4, just NO!!! got it?

 

[WolfCypher]

I have one suggestion:

NO MEGAMAN!!! in SSB4, just NO!!! got it?

Get off the internet.

Spoiler

It's your opinion, I'm just messing with you! Mega Man for SSB!

 

[wazgood]

geno.




that is all

 

[Agi]

^^ Yes. Geno FTW.

On a new topic... let's assume that we keep adventure mode. What do we all think it will take the form of this time? (Assume for console Smash)

 

[Chief Mendez]

Whoah, why did Nintendo make a deal with Comcast to package a Wii with every cable plan? That was the weirdest commercial I've seen in a while.

I think you mean "that was the coolest commercial I've seen in a while".

Anyways, you only get the Wii if you sign up for two years of Comcast internet, digital cable, and phone service, which is a really dumb idea.

Right, SSB4... Any stages that MUST be in? A tetris stage, and a stage based on the trampoline minigame from New Super Mario Bros.

Personally, I'd really like to see a Meteos stage...well, maybe not, but at least some Meteos representation, even if it's just a trophy.

Meteos is an amazing game, and also a Sakurai creation, so it fits he should put something from it in the series he's most well-known for. The game is actually alot like what you'd get if you crossed Tetris and Smash Bros., come to think of it.

Anyhoo, I'd like more old-school levels. But not just recreations of famous levels (Mushroomy Kingdom), rather, stages derived from older games, instead of having the levels all be from a given franchises' most recent game(s).

...That said, I really have no ideas right now.

 

[WolfCypher]

I could give this a try...

A SMGalaxy stage (based on Rosalina's Observation Spaceship)
Bowser's Castle
A Gyromite stage
A vertical scrolling Kid Icarus stage (based on the Skyworld)
The Venus Lighthouse (Golden Sun)
A Mega Man stage (Yep Yep)

 

[Agi]

^^ Question. Would we have the ridiculous low gravity effect on Observatory? Would we have Lunas spin attacking everybody? I could see it working, though. It would be nice if it was a rotating stage, too! The big sun in the middle could change colors depending on time of day, and thus, power as well. The only thing that may kill it: the red star. One person all of a sudden being able to fly would be ridiculously cheap.
Maybe this would be a reason for Rosalina to enter the game, even as an Assist trophy.

 

[ness4life]

I think you mean "that was the coolest commercial I've seen in a while".

Anyways, you only get the Wii if you sign up for two years of Comcast internet, digital cable, and phone service, which is a really dumb idea.

Personally, I'd really like to see a Meteos stage...well, maybe not, but at least some Meteos representation, even if it's just a trophy.

Meteos is an amazing game, and also a Sakurai creation, so it fits he should put something from it in the series he's most well-known for. The game is actually alot like what you'd get if you crossed Tetris and Smash Bros., come to think of it.

Anyhoo, I'd like more old-school levels. But not just recreations of famous levels (Mushroomy Kingdom), rather, stages derived from older games, instead of having the levels all be from a given franchises' most recent game(s).

...That said, I really have no ideas right now.

Huh, I didn't know that he made Meteos, maybe I'll pick it up. And definitely want more old school levels.
Also, what are the odds of getting content from the big new disney game - Mean Girls!

Lindsey Lohan for SSB4!!!

haha... no.

 

[WolfCypher]

My vision was this...

No gravity effect, the Lumas would hover around, having no effect on the stage. Rosalina would be in the background. Sounds like a plain vanilla stage...however...

Similar to Delfino Plaza (actually more like Pokémon Stadiums or Castle Siege), every once in a while the stage will change to reflect one of the stages from SMG, then cgange back to the observatory.

 

[Agi]

So the background characters would be similar to Animal Crossing... okay.

But the transitions sound more like the Castle Siege course. Maybe the transition could be:

All the fighters are put into a bubble (like the ones Mario gets on the Blue stars... can't be bothered to remember what they're called), all the planets swirl around in the background, then the planet... Well, I guess in SMG you crash landed onto the planet. Would this work in a Smash game? Maybe you have to jump, otherwise you get stuck in the ground? Just some ideas.

 

[ness4life]

Whatever the stage, you can count on Galaxy getting some representatin in the next Smash. The game was just too amazing to be left out.

 

[Spire]

What if every character were given maybe... three different Final Smashes, each obtained by fulfilling different requirements. For instance, one may be rewarded for busting open a Smash Ball, one enduring say... 300% damage (does not activate in Sudden Death), and one for getting three kills in a row without losing a stock (these are just tip-of-the-tongue ideas). If so, I have a great idea for Link. Firstly, he should keep his classic Triforce Slash, but secondly, he should also have the ability to transform into this:

Regardless that he is not the Link from Majora's Mask, I think that the Link in the next Smash Bros should represent all of the Links over the history of Zelda (besides Toon Link) and retain moves relevant to all of them, and in this second Final Smash, the relevance lies in relation to Majora's Mask.

 

[WolfCypher]

What if every character were given maybe... three different Final Smashes, each obtained by fulfilling different requirements. For instance, one may be rewarded for busting open a Smash Ball, one enduring say... 300% damage (does not activate in Sudden Death), and one for getting three kills in a row without losing a stock (these are just tip-of-the-tongue ideas). If so, I have a great idea for Link. Firstly, he should keep his classic Triforce Slash, but secondly, he should also have the ability to transform into this:

Regardless that he is not the Link from Majora's Mask, I think that the Link in the next Smash Bros should represent all of the Links over the history of Zelda (besides Toon Link) and retain moves relevant to all of them, and in this second Final Smash, the relevance lies in relation to Majora's Mask.

That's like the anti-pity Final Smash. Think about it, if you're good enough to get 3 KOs without losing a stock, how fair would it be to then get a FS to use against your opponents and score even more KO's immediately afterwards?

 

[Chief Mendez]

A horizontal scrolling Kid Icarus stage (based on the Skyworld)

1. Why would a Kid Icarus stage scroll horizontally?

2. There is no number two.

That's like the anti-pity Final Smash. Think about it, if you're good enough to get 3 KOs without losing a stock, how fair would it be to then get a FS to use against your opponents and score even more KO's immediately afterwards?

Seconded.

But it was, in his own words, a tip-of-the-tongue idea. As for the actual idea, it would be fun, but also time-consuming for the developers. A bit superfluous, methinks.

 

[WolfCypher]

Well, the last level of Kid Icarus NES (USA version) scrolled horizontally...


BUT YOU GOT ME! I obviously meant vertical!

I sometimes get my lefts and rights mixed-up.

 

[Agi]

1. Why would a Kid Icarus stage scroll horizontally?

I'm pretty sure (never got that far, but seen vids) that in the skyworld, instead of using Pit's "jumping skillz" (what happened between Kid Icarus and Brawl that made him such a good jumper?) it is a sidescrolling level where you are flying. Or maybe that was just the part before Medusa. Meh. But still, hope that answers your question.

 

[Chief Mendez]

Yeah, well 99% of Kid Icarus is a vertical platformer, so perhaps my confusion was not so unfounded?

Technically (emphasis on the technically) "based on Skyworld" means that, yeah, it would be a horizontal scroller, but let's not dwell on technically technical technicalities.

 

[WolfCypher]

I haven't played a KI game in a while (STILL waiting for my GB KI game from eBay), but IIRC, Sky World in both games was vertical, while Sky Palace (the final stage) was horizontal.

You all get what I meant, lets move on.

 

[ness4life]

Wow, attack of the bloggers. The poor guy who mentioned that is crying right now. Way to go, guys, way to go.

Anyways, what should the character cap per franchise be? There were five Mario and Pokemon characters in Melee, but only 4 characters per franchise in Brawl. In a console version, there would undoubtedly be more characters, so does a five or six character cap make sense? Maybe seven?
In a DS version, a 3-character cap is more realistic, but only for a few franchises like Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon.

 

[oceanic--ice]

Hold it/Phoenix Wright.

I'm not through yet.

One of my project partners (Drag0nBlade), has the following arguments negating that point:

Argument 1: “Ridley is to large and would not fit in the game” also known as “Ridley is to big”

Despite what is claimed in this argument, Ridley is not to big. Common examples are Ridley from the original metroid games as well as the official canon comic. Even if we limit him to his 3D appearances, many other characters have had their sizes changed within the Smash Series. Olimar, Pikachu, Kirby, Dedede, Meta-knight have all been enlarged to fit into the game. Bowser, who generally is known for his size in the main mario line, was chosen to have one of his smaller forms from the spin-off games. Smash is not afraid to mess with peoples sizes.

Ridley from Metroid.
http://www.emulationgalaxy.co.yu/images/edit/metroid/metroid_1.gif

Comic images Posted by Nyc48
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/nyc48/ridleysize.jpg
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/nyc48/ridleysize2.jpg
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/nyc48/zzsmkup.jpg
http://mdb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/mzm/manga/2.08/MetroidManga2-07.jpg


Argument 2: “Relative size is what matters. Samus is in and because of this, Ridley's size is already established as being huge.”

This argument is trying to say that all characters relative sizes are kept intact in the smash series. An example of this is the Mario characters. Bowser is the largest, followed by Peach, Luigi and Mario being the shortest. This is always kept constant. Since Samus is already six feet and Ridley is huge compared to her, he cannot be shrunk down. This is the argument that is usually proposed. Not only is this argument disprove by the fact that they are fake characters, it can also be disproved with Pikachu and Mewtwo from Melee. Pikachu's Canon height is 1'04'' while Mewtwo's Canon height is 6'07''. If you look at the 3D games, you can see that this is their heights. Now look at melee. This is clearly not the case. Mewtwo is smaller and Pikachu is definitely taller. Thus the Relative size argument is disproven.

Combat vid comparing Mewtwo and Pikachu's height in Melee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si4hUNySZV8


Argument 3: “Ridley would look stupid small.”

This, no matter how anyone looks at it, is an opinion at its core. Many people believe he looks fine smaller, while some believe he looks silly. This is up to personal preference and is not a good enough reason to exclude him from being playable in future games.

Argument 4: “His proportions are to irregular and would not work shrunken down.”

This argument mainly consists of using Ridley's skinniness and length as means of excluding him from being playable. Most people point to his neck and Many fans have also tried to make him smaller in an effort to have a visual reference for people to see that he would work and that his proportions are not skewed. Examples of this are listed below.

LinkIII_IsBack posted the following.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4043/ridleyandsamus1cg4.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8972/ridleyandsamus2xt1.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4956/ridleyandsamus3fe1.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8645/playaberidleyls8.png
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7395/playableridley2qb1.png
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/263/playableridley3xv8.jpg
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6995/playableridley4ps2.jpg

Argument 5: “Smaller ridley in metroid does not count because of system limitations.”

This argument also includes the “Metroid was overridden by Zero mission” Argument. What this argument is trying to do is say that because Metroid was released on the nintendo, Ridley was only small because of system limitations. Because of the release of Zero mission, this fact is drilled even more. The thing to remember is that the system limitations also apply to other games, mainly pokemon. One cannot count the Handheld pokemon games and act like those sizes matter and then discredit the original Metroid. Both have smaller sprites and characters from their original heights because of system limitations. It is best to just use Canon sizes, or at least the 3D canon game models. Pokemon and Metroid have been put into 3D. As it can be seen, the pokemon models have incorrect sizes in melee. Because of this, it is shown that Smash messes with the sizes and ridley cannot be excluded because some consider his smaller form negligent because of system limitations.


Argument 6: “They have to use the newest version of characters. (IE Legend of Zelda example.) Because of this, Meta-ridley would be the one to make it playable, and because of his wingspan and out of proportion limbs, be would not be able to be resized.

There are two problems with this claim. One is that Ridley's limbs and wings are very skinny. While Meta-Ridley does have huge wings, it is safe to note that Mewtwo's Dimensions were also skewed in Melee. He appears fatter than he should be. The other point is using the most current character model. This is false by looking at Samus. Samus is based on her Super Metroid look, not the prime series. Other examples is updating the looks for Retro characters, Sheiks new design that was submitted, and even toon link (who is not cell shaded) Since this is true, they can use normal Ridley if they wanted to.

Here is a list of characters, with pictures that show they did not use the newest models from the games.
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Wolf from Command
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/810/810757/05_WolfToonForm_1186378498.jpg

Wolf from Assault
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4417/wolfev8.jpg

Wolf from brawl
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/hidden12/hidden12.jpg

Looks like they used more influence from the Assault version than the command version.
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Last SF game was command.
Falco looked like this
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/thumb/5/5a/FalcoCommand.jpg/200px-FalcoCommand.jpg

In brawl, he looks like this
http://www.wikicheats.com/images/0/09/Smash_Bros_Brawl_Falco.jpg
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MGS's last game (keeping that the designs were finalized before 2006) was Metal Gear Acid 2
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cc/SnakeMGA2.PNG/175px-SnakeMGA2.PNG

If you want to argue Nintendo Only
http://www.gameguru.in/images/metal-gear-solid-twin-snakes-1.jpg

His look in brawl
http://ssbb.teamhijack.com/images/characters/snakeprofile.jpg
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Here are three examples of where Sakurai did not use the newest models and took creative liberties with the characters designs. If it can happen with them, it can happen with ridley.


Argument 7: “He is an unimportant character and does not deserve a place in smash”

This argument mainly shows peoples little knowledge about the Metroid Series. It is stated in the offical Canon Manga that Ridley Killed Samus' Parents when she was a child. He practically started the Metroid Series. It has also been said that He is the leader of the space pirates. The last thing to note is that he is the most reoccurring boss in the series. I recommend reading this wiki page on the subject. Don't like Wiki? Your loss.

http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Ridley

Argument 8: “Diamond/Peral have many official canon sizes for Barboach. This means Pikachu can grow from 1ft 4in. To over 3ft. Thus showing that using pokemon to discredit relative size is invalid.”

This argument is attacking one of the pro-ridley groups points than Ridley himself. Try and disprove one of your claims, and then he is an invalid character again. The reason why this does not work is because one of the main points is that mewtwo is also shrunk down in size. There is only one mewtwo canonically and his height is supposed to be constant. Since he was shrunk down in size, the argument still has a leg to stand on. One could try and argue biology and on how reproduction and size is generated in real animals, but Pokemon is a game and thus fake. The way they mate, the fact that they only take physical traits from only one parent as well as other things makes it silly to argue logical biology. It appears to be silly to some that to justify the absence of ridley having a chance, an anti-ridley person has to say that the Pikachu in SSE is a special Pikachu that was bread so his size was good enough to fight in brawl. Feels silly. Best to say that the programmers need a larger pikachu to use and just grew his size. People need to remember that this is a game.

Note 1:
One thing many need to remember is that the smash bros series in not canon to the original series. Proof of this is the many moveset errors (Ganondorf, Ness) and Final smash liberties (Luigi's Negative zone, Game and Watch Octopus). So keeping strict to canon is not really happening. Some say that because this is a fighting game, and for most, this series is their first fighting appearance, they have no canon movesets. This is silly because the characters movesets were pulled from their respective games. Here is a bunch of links to prove it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTfk3-I4UJg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP7DqAC7Ne0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOMXw8MmO9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyjilTlSv4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be1W2n0vW1I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bva1g00xdcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_to3eKGJISg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNfGTx-q5Os
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQwIY8AISZc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noNXp44bmOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJe6IoiD9Ys

Note 2:
Sakurai did shrink Ridley in the SSE boss fight. Look at the Meta-ridley fight in SSE and than compare it to the normal meta-ridley fight from Metroid prime. They have different sizes.

Meta-ridley from MP.
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=metaridleyofficalwebsitsh7.jpg

Meta-Ridlet from Brawl
http://www.wikicheats.com/images/0/0d/Smash_Bros_Brawl_Meta_Ridley_2.jpg

well actually his last appearance is as omega ridley and they should have him remain like this...he looks cooler and maybe they could make it so that dark samus survived through him and they became one single being....that would bring him fame

 

[Chief Mendez]

maybe they could make it so that dark samus survived through him and they became one single being....that would bring him fame

That would also be a horribly contrived plot device.

Really, if Ridley were to be in the game, I think it's pretty obvious he'd be the big ol' purple thing we all know

Spoiler

and love

. Sakurai (or whoever decides which sources to base the models on) obviously doesn't really give two shakes about the Prime games.

We got, what, a stage? Not even a particularly good one, at that (I mean c'mon, where's my Impact Crater?). All the other Metroid stages are taken from Samus' 2D games, just as her in game model(s) are.

 

[SkylerOcon]

Metroid is like Megaman in that respect. The 2D games will forever trump the 3D ones.

 

[Chief Mendez]

Metroid is like Megaman in that respect. The 2D games will forever trump the 3D ones.

Hey hey now, don't go starting a debate like that. I personally think the Prime games...well, at least Prime 1 is miles beyond any of the side-scrolling Metroids.

But that's got little to do with the topic at hand, so...consider this a friendly warning, or something.

 

[ChronoBound]

OK, why did the world stop to wait for Chrono to reply? Oh, right, East Coast Time.... it's still 7:20 here!

Whoah, why did Nintendo make a deal with Comcast to package a Wii with every cable plan? That was the weirdest commercial I've seen in a while.

Right, SSB4... Any stages that MUST be in? A tetris stage, and a stage based on the trampoline minigame from New Super Mario Bros.

I don't care if they're both gimmicky, they would be awesome!

The essay relating to Snake and how he can be replaced has not been posted yet.

Also, I have come up with about 10 stage ideas for Smash 4.

 

[Smashed11]

Hey hey now

Hey now you're an All Star get your game on, go play
Hey now you're a Rock Star get the show on get paid
And all that glitters is gold
Only shooting stars break the mold

It's a cool place and they say it gets colder
You're bundled up now but wait 'til you get older
But the meteor men beg to differ
Judging by the hole in the satellite picture

The ice we skate is getting pretty thin
The waters getting warm so you might as well swim
My world's on fire how about yours
That's the way I like it and I never get bored

[Repeat Chorus 2x]

Somebody once asked could I spare some change for gas
I need to get myself away from this place
I said yep what a concept
I could use a little fuel myself
And we could all use a little change
Well the years start coming and they don't stop coming
Back to the rule and I hit the ground running
Didn't make sense not to live for fun
Your brain gets smart but your head gets dumb
So much to do so much to see
So what's wrong with taking the back streets
You'll never know if you don't go
You'll never shine if you don't glow

[Repeat Chorus]

 

[Asteuruxaz2082]

Here's my Roster:

Mario Series:

Mario Alternate Costume: Flying Mario and Paper Mario
Luigi Alternate Costume: Mr. L
Peach Alternate Costume: Daisy and Rosalina
Bowser Alternate Costume: Giga Bowser or Dry Bowser
Geno Alternate Costume: Mallow
Bowser Jr. Alternate Costume: Shadow Mario

Donkey Kong Series:

Donkey Kong Alternate Costume: Chunky Kong
Diddy and Dixie Alternate Costume: None
King K. Rool Alternate Costume: None

Legend OF Zelda Series:

Link Alternate Costume: Oni Link
Zelda Alternate Costume: Sheik
Midna Alternate Costume: Unmasked Midna
Ganondorf Alternate Costume: Ganon
Vaati Alternate Costume: None
Toon Link Alternate Costume: Young Link

Kirby Series:

Kirby Alternate Costume: None
Meta Knight Alternate Costume: Shiny Meta Knight and Unmasked Meta Knight
King Dedede Alternate Costume: None

Pokemon Series:

Pikachu Alternate Costume: Raichu or Plusle and Minum
Pokemon Trainer (With Mudkip, Combusken, and Sceptile) Alternate Costume: Female Trainer (With Bulbasaur, Charmeleon, and Blastoise)
Jigglypuff Alternate Costume: Wigglytuff
Mewtwo Alternate Costume: Mew
Lucario Alternate Costume: Riolu
Deoxys Alternate Costume: Any of Deoxys' Form

Starfox Series:

Fox Alternate Costume: Falco
Krystal Alternate Costume: Native Krystal
Wolf Alternate Costume: None

Fire Emblem Series:

Ike Alternate Costume: Hector
Marth Alternate Costume: Sigurd
Roy Alternate Costume: Ephraim
Lyn Alternate Costume: Micaiah

Metroid Series:

Samus/Zero Suit Samus Alternate Costume: Dark Samus
Weavel Alternate Costume: Sylux i guess..
Ridley Alternate Costume: Meta Ridley

Wario Series:

Wario Alternate Costume: Old Wario
Waluigi Alternate Costume: None

Earthbound Series:

Ness Alternate Costume: Ninten
Lucas Alternate Costume: Claus
Pokey Alternate Costume: Porky
Paula Alternate Costume: Jeff

F-Zero Series:

Captain Falcon Alternate Costume: Blood Falcon
Black Shadow Alternate Costume: None
Samurai Goroh Alternate Costume: None

Retro Series:

Balloon Fighter Alternate Costume: None
Ice Climbers Alternate Costume: None
Pit Alternate Costume: None
Mr. Game & Watch Alternate Costume: 3D Mr. Game and Watch
R.O.B. Alternate Costume: None

Other Series:

Yoshi Alternate Costume: Birdo and Boshi
Isaac Alternate Costume: Felix
Olimar and Pikmin Alternate Costume: Louie
Lip Alternate Costume: None

3rd Parties:

Sonic Alternate Costume: Shadow
Knuckles Alternate Costume: None
Snake Alternate Costume: Raiden
Megaman Alternate Costume: Zero
Bomberman Alternate Costume: None
Black Mage Alternate Costume: White or Any Color Mage
Cloud Alternate Costume: Sephiroth
Sora Alternate Costume: KH2 Sora
Riku Alternate Costume: Dark Riku

 

[Agi]

^^ In regards to Pokemon trainer...

I don't see him with the same three Pokemon again. I think that we'll have some 3rd generation Pokemon on our hands. Try this lineup: Mudkip, Combusken, Sceptile?

Any takers?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

About the list that was made who above me, I think it's pretty good, an IC's type team for Dixie and Diddy would be cool, but I'd add Cloud, and I hope you meant Midna on Wolf Link, because I doubt just Midna would work.

 

[Asteuruxaz2082]

^^ In regards to Pokemon trainer...

I don't see him with the same three Pokemon again. I think that we'll have some 3rd generation Pokemon on our hands. Try this lineup: Mudkip, Combusken, Sceptile?

Any takers?

I'll try it, But will Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard will be Pokeballs?

 

[ness4life]

Get rid of Shadow (or make him an alt costume), and you've got a good roster. It may be a little too big, though... (58 w/o shadow). Maybe consider getting rid of the Waddles and try to it down to 55.

But who knows? I mean, this next smash will be on a system that's hopefully far more powerful than the Wii, and if development has already started on it - development for brawl started right after melee came out, according to Sakurai - then a roster in the high 50's may be a possibility.

Oh one question: Where the **** are Vaati and Black Mage???

lol I kid you, it's a great roster. But those two are my picks -replace shadow and waddles with Vaati and Black Mage and you've got my dream roster.

 

[Asteuruxaz2082]

Get rid of Shadow (or make him an alt costume), and you've got a good roster. It may be a little too big, though... (58 w/o shadow). Maybe consider getting rid of the Waddles and try to it down to 55.

But who knows? I mean, this next smash will be on a system that's hopefully far more powerful than the Wii, and if development has already started on it - development for brawl started right after melee came out, according to Sakurai - then a roster in the high 50's may be a possibility.

Oh one question: Where the **** is Black Mage???

I'll add Black Mage, But who should i replace with the Waddles? I Could add Alternate Costume

 

[ness4life]

I'll add Black Mage, But who should i replace with the Waddles? I Could add Alternate Costume

Sweet, thx.

This thread has turned in to a "create your roster" mudhole, hasn't it?

Well, if that's the case, since a DS and a Console rosters have been created that are basically agreed upon, maybe some other aspect of the game should be touched on.

Like: what stadium modes should be kept, added, or eliminated in the next smash?

 

[Nayib_x3]

I wouldn't mind Megaman, but wouldn't Capcom have to have a part in SSB, then. I mean, we just got Sega to work along. and whatever franchise Snake is from. (too lazy to look up)

Speaking of Capcom, isn't Pac-man from Capcom? Nobody say Pac-man as a character. What the hell could he do? Walk around going "wokka wokka wokaa..." Pointless.

Maybe as an assist trophy. the ghosts, too.

If SSB4 were to become DS, I'd buy it. Best idea ever. I'm still going for at least an SSB64 remake. I don't care if they don't make the newest one on DS, at least REMAKE THE ORIGINAL! THAT WOULD PWN!!

 

[ness4life]

I wouldn't mind Megaman, but wouldn't Capcom have to have a part in SSB, then. I mean, we just got Sega to work along. and whatever franchise Snake is from. (too lazy to look up)

Speaking of Capcom, isn't Pac-man from Capcom? Nobody say Pac-man as a character. What the hell could he do? Walk around going "wokka wokka wokaa..." Pointless.

Maybe as an assist trophy. the ghosts, too.

If SSB4 were to become DS, I'd buy it. Best idea ever. I'm still going for at least an SSB64 remake. I don't care if they don't make the newest one on DS, at least REMAKE THE ORIGINAL! THAT WOULD PWN!!

Snake is from Konami. Pac-Man is from Namco. You're an idiot.

You make me want to hate smash DS now, just because you like it.

Grow a brain before posting if you don't want to get flamed.

And no, a 64 remake would NOT pwn.

 

[Asteuruxaz2082]

I wouldn't mind Megaman, but wouldn't Capcom have to have a part in SSB, then. I mean, we just got Sega to work along. and whatever franchise Snake is from. (too lazy to look up)

Speaking of Capcom, isn't Pac-man from Capcom? Nobody say Pac-man as a character. What the hell could he do? Walk around going "wokka wokka wokaa..." Pointless.

Maybe as an assist trophy. the ghosts, too.

If SSB4 were to become DS, I'd buy it. Best idea ever. I'm still going for at least an SSB64 remake. I don't care if they don't make the newest one on DS, at least REMAKE THE ORIGINAL! THAT WOULD PWN!!

Pac-man is actually from Namco

 

[ness4life]

I wouldn't mind Megaman, but wouldn't Capcom have to have a part in SSB, then. I mean, we just got Sega to work along. and whatever franchise Snake is from. (too lazy to look up)

Speaking of Capcom, isn't Pac-man from Capcom? Nobody say Pac-man as a character. What the hell could he do? Walk around going "wokka wokka wokaa..." Pointless.

Maybe as an assist trophy. the ghosts, too.

If SSB4 were to become DS, I'd buy it. Best idea ever. I'm still going for at least an SSB64 remake. I don't care if they don't make the newest one on DS, at least REMAKE THE ORIGINAL! THAT WOULD PWN!!

OK, Maybe I was a little harsh, we all make mistakes. A smash DS would be great, but I would like more than just the original 12, and I like being able to use side specials. Making a smash 64 v2.0 would be my solution. Taking the game, adding a few more characters and stages, adding wifi play, and adding the more recent techniques like walljumping, etc. Also, balancing the game more so that throws aren't so godly, more like melee's knockback scheme.