[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[BBQTV]

they did it for whatever reason they did it[make the transformation slow] i dont know why but whatever. Some people find zelda better the sheik. Anyway alot of my friends say omg sheik suxz lol and is the reason they dont like brawl,well i heard brawls slow anyway and most people stick with one anyway.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

n88 knows the score. All of the characters he's listed are possible. Obviously some are more likely than others, but none of them are unrealistic. I'm surprised none of you are criticizing it for being "too safe."

Technically, the only character I have a problem with on that roster is Doc, and that's because I'm convinced that A) Sakurai doesn't do post-Melee last-minute clones (unless you consider Wolf as such) and B) alt costumes and whatnot, you all know the deal.


I kinda feel like making a grand list of actual candidates for existing series, but I'm too lazy right now and my fingers are freezing.

 

[Cyn]

Don't forget that it's a more powerful console and the assist trophies and whatnot have poor detail in some cases.


That doesn't make any sense. You can pick Sheik from the select screen.

Sure you can select her from character select but what does that have to do with her transformation? I just think they did it so you can't build up damage with sheik or whatever and switch in half a second to fsmash them off the screen, because of that slow transformation there are somethings I can't do with her anymore that I used to be able to do implementing that change mid fight. Now its too slow and if I change than anyone can run up and hit me with a fully charged smash. So now I never change from sheik unless by accident.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I will never say that Roy won't come back I just think a more recent lord (Micaiah or someone else but idk who else) has better chances. I'd also rather see any other recent FE character than Roy.......but.......It might not happen.........I don't want to start a big Roy argument here........

Mewtwo for SSB4.....

 

[n88]

@Kuma

I'm pretty sure it's just the Wii being slow. Like I said, if you pause during transformation, wait a few seconds, then unpause, she instantly changes. As IGN put it, the Wii has the horsepower of two Gamecubes taped together. It's not that much more powerful, and it has to load something much more visually detailed, in addition to a Final Smash.

@Toise

Yeah, Doc is probably the least likely character on the list, but as yoou said, he's far from impossible. I've actually considered making the same sort of list myself. Something like this?

Possible Newcomers:

Super Mario Bros

Bowser Jr.
Toad
Doctor Mario
Rosalina
Waluigi

DK

Dixie Kong (Either as her own character or added to Diddy)
King K. Rool

Yoshi's Island

Baby Mario
Kamek
(Both are vastly improbable, but what the ****?)

Wario

Mona
Captain Syrup

LoZ

Tingle
Toon Zelda/Tetra
Vaati
Wolf Link

Famicom

Ridley
Little Mac
Lip
Mach Rider
Takamaru
Sukapon

Kirby

If a new Kirby character appears in SSB4, my name is Hargenbower Rinkenhauer (It isn't)

Pikmin

Louie
(Only happening if Pikmin gets a new game prominently featuring Louie. And even then it's iffy)

StarFox

Krystal

F-Zero

Samurai Goroh
Black Shadow

Pokemon

5th Gen (Pretty much a lock) (Might replace Lucario)
Mewtwo
Different Pokemon Trainer

If Sakurai decides that the second and third gen should be repped, he may include Pichu and a 3rd Gen Poke, but I find it unlikely.

Fire Emblem

Roy
New Lord

Mother

See Kirby ^^

3rd Parties

Megaman
SC Character
Professor Layton (Unless I'm reading too much into things....)
Lloyd Irving
Bomberman

 

[SmashChu]

n88 knows the score. All of the characters he's listed are possible. Obviously some are more likely than others, but none of them are unrealistic. I'm surprised none of you are criticizing it for being "too safe."

Technically, the only character I have a problem with on that roster is Doc, and that's because I'm convinced that A) Sakurai doesn't do post-Melee last-minute clones (unless you consider Wolf as such) and B) alt costumes and whatnot, you all know the deal.


I kinda feel like making a grand list of actual candidates for existing series, but I'm too lazy right now and my fingers are freezing.

Besides a few characters (like Tingle and Capt. Syrup) most of the characters make sense. I would like to see what you come up with. I have some ideas, but I'm keeping my card close to my chest because I hope to use the idea for something.

Overreaction much? It's just a word. It doesn't automatically mean that the person using it is a fail reps wh0re or whatever you call us.

I don't think Kuma was overreacting. People use "representative" far too often, and it's really used to promote a character they like. The actions of some people do not seem unlike politics.

We do need to get the word out of our vocabulary. The characters in the game should create excitement. It should not be like Congress, which is very boring.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

@n88: Something like that, yeah. I think for the most part, it's a matter of recognizing which characters carry some weight within their own series. There's a standard to be set since the roster can't keep increasing indefinitely (except maybe for Pokemon and FE, those two are special).


Note that this first list doesn't have "variation" characters (Sheik, ZSS, Doc, etc.), I'll get to those later. Also, don't mind the order in which characters appear on this list. Remember this is a list of candidates, not my own personal expectations of who's getting in.

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Toad
Bowser Jr.

Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool

Yoshi
Kamek

Wario
Mona
Jimmy T.
Captain Syrup

Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Tingle

Samus
Ridley

Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight

Fox
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer
Lucario
Future Pokemon

Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh
Jody Summer
Black Shadow

Ness
Lucas
Porky
Claus

Marth
Roy
Ike
Future FE Lord

** Not listing the other existing series since most of them are pretty much one-character series or 3rd-party (except for maybe Louie or something).
** Not including currently non-playable series, ignore Mac and Mega Man for now.
** Not including stuff like Andross or Giygas or anything, stuff that really shouldn't be considered despite still being important/popular within their own franchises due to other reasons.
** This list is for characters who matter or have mattered presently. None of that "they COULD be important after this game comes out!" We'll worry about the future when it's the present.


Some of these are debatable (maybe just Jimmy T.) and some may be far better as an AT than as a playable character (Kamek). Some have a divisive effect on the fans (Bowser Jr., Tingle). But all of them do carry a certain amount of weight in their own series. I'm not going to get into a series hierarchy for new characters though. Not in this post, anyways.


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Now, some characters have variations on them. Here's a few:

- Dr. Mario, Paper Mario, any ____ Mario
- Pichu (or any evolution form)
- Other Pokemon Trainers
- Sheik, Zero Suit Samus
- Toon Link/Zelda/Ganon
- Ninten (technically)

These characters don't seem to stand on their own very often, usually being clones, transformations, costumes, or left out altogether. It seems that for these types of characters to be added, they must do two things:

1. Stand out from the original character in some way in the source material
2. Have enough popularity and importance within their own franchise

Keep in mind Melee doesn't count because the clones there were explicitly stated to pad the roster.

Three of these characters exist in Brawl: Sheik, Zero Suit Samus, and Toon Link. All three are significantly popular and all three are distinct from their "originals" (although in Toon Link's case, the emphasis is on popularity since the main difference between him and regular Link is size). All three are also either clones or transformations.

Oh, and then there's Wario in his overalls. But you can't have Wario without his overalls. That's just how he rolls.

All of the characters I listed above could potentially (POTENTIALLY!) make it in, but none of them will be fully independent from another character. I'd personally like to see some characters as alternate costumes, but who knows.


For the record, the following are NOT variations on existing characters:

- Daisy
- Funky Kong
- The rest of the Fire Emblem cast
- The rest of the Star Fox cast
- The rest of the Mother cast

These are individual characters with less importance in their franchises than the ones in the big list at the top of the page. Could they be playable? Sure, as alternate colors or costumes. Keep in mind that these characters aren't very crucial and there's a ton of other content in the game that needs working on, so consider anything close to a playable version of them a blessing.


This turned out to be very long very quickly. Rather than explain each individual example, I'll let you guys pick them out so I can explain them.


@Chu: It's semantics, yeah, but typically the people who use it tend to add "series characters" rather than "individuals." But you know that already.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I didn't want to read all of that right now but I'm gonna focus on the last part.....

The ____Mario that has the best chance of standing out is Paper Mario.....He has a whole series that is likely to keep going in which he does various thing to draw from.....(that was longer so I could avoid getting screwed over by somebody saying the same about Doc. because Doc. is mainly a puzzle game [can't remember if he has anything else] and PM has an RPG)

Daisy has more of a chance of not standing out than most of the others you listed.....

 

[Thirdkoopa]

(Prediction, not wishlist)

You ask; I'll deliver my thoughts :D I posted something like yours back on another forum, so yeah, bit of a repost. Even with cutting off some parts, It's still pretty long O_o

This'll start off with "Veterans with a possibility of being cut (Or being Downloadable Content)" Honestly; This section won't be big as aside from sonic, the rest of the roster was decided at 2005.
Ike - While he's the only reoccuring lord asides from marth, there's a chance of him being cut in favor of a lord from FE *Insert number here*
Lucario - Read: Ike...Or he may stay, see jiggs.
Snake - This is an iffy one. I personally think that sonic and snake won't be in the next one so they can hype up new third parties, despite my like of them as characters, but with lack of interest from other companies...
Sonic - Read: Snake
ROB - This is an iffy one. Really, he seems more there for the SSE Mainly than a WTF Ending character...And to god how I hope they don't spend a TON of time on that mediocre platform, again. But really, this isn't based on what I'd do, It's based on what sakurai would do. Chances are most of these will stay, especially after the complaints of "OMG SOMES MELEE PPLZ GOT REMOVEDS"
Falco or Wolf - Well, If they do actually end up making room for krystal (Let's note: Brawl's poll suggestions take place now, not during brawl) then chances are one of these will be removed (Or possibly DLC) And I can't really see wolf being replaced, as representing the series by "The Hero, The Sidekick, The...Girl Sidekick?" So, I don't know.

Melee Veterans:
Roy - FE Is a shaky series...He got close from what I keep hearing, and sales figures certainly like him, but If he was cut once, especially at the near end, then honestly, I don't know.
Mewtwo - Unless they change pokemon trainer, I really don't see this happening on the on-disc roster...But It's not completely out of the question. - BY PT CHANGING I MEAN BY HIM REPRESENTING ANOTHER SERIES THAN FIRST GENERATION.
Pichu - ...Wasn't even on the files. Hey, DLC Can fix a lot of cool stuff, but enough about that.
Doc - Better as a costume or another form or so. Really, only thing he has going for him at all is the files.

Possible Newcomers:
Mario Series: Bowser Jr., Geno, Paper Mario, Toad
Reasoning: Rosalina was just a side-character for one, possibly two games. Really, If a 5th rep is to happen, It comes down to these 3 (Well, 4...I disagree on toad a bit personally but this list isn't all about me). Each having flaws, each being suggested, and each one would bring something unique to the table. Only one sakurai and devs have shown any interest into are geno. Oh the on-going debate on this.

Oh, and Wario and Yoshi go under here too.

Legend of Zelda Series: Tingle, One Time Character (Or something similar of the sorts, or another cel character to go with TL)
Reasoning: Files of Toon Zelda, fun. IF The series gets another rep (Which If mario and Pokemon do, that isn't doubtable)

Pokemon Series: *Insert 5th gen rep here*
Reasoning: You really see much probability outside of this? Could still have Lucario or Mewtwo If the big 3 exceed to five.

Metroid Series: Ridley
Reasoning: If they're to get any new character, It's this dude. It all comes down to programming issues. Fun.

DK Series: Dixie, K Rool
Reasoning: Only major thing I really see dixie have going for her is the files, and that could've been with diddy. The series is for sure popular to get another rep, so If they're denied another rep, we know who to blame. Question comes down to who.

Starfox Series: Krystal
Reasoning: ...Uh, you really think anybody else outside of this is likely, if SF Even gets a newcomer?

Fire Emblem: Read: Pokemon. It really depends on where the series heads in the future.

Kirby: Has It's core character's and no other character's really suiting, even for DLC.

F-Zero: Goroh, Black Shadow
Reasoning: I don't know enough about it to REALLY Put a judgement on which ones more likely...I guess goroh especially considering he's an AT. Really, F-Zero has been only falcon for 3 games. Time for him to share the spotlight a little bit.

Mother: Claus (Masked form, obviously)
Reasoning: Really, the main thing he has is to sakurai, he ranked up there on the mentions journal with characters like Geno, Krystal, and King D3, and It's really his interest that comes first + He's the only true runner up for a 3rd rep...Sure any other's may have a .0000000001% Chance, but that's not saying much. As much as I really want him in, it really comes down to what sakurai thinks.

Retro: ...Who knows?
Reasoning: Sakurai has shot down a lot in the past, like sukapon being hard to program, or balloon fighter needing balloon's. One is usually the starting character, the other is usually the unlockable "WTF"...
...Or there's the possibility of only one or no retro's in this next game.

New Franchises: Isaac, Little Mac, Possibly another one/more.
Reasoning: Considering most franchises are really complete at this point or would be killing off someone to add in someone new, newcomer possibilities come onto this a lot more than brawl did. I see Little Mac/Isaac extremely likely (If we don't see one of them then o_o) Any others beyond? Depends on how big the roster is, and If sakurai is willing to bring new franchises outside of "lol, assist trophy"

Third-Party: Megaman, Travis Touchdown
Reasoning: MM: Do I have to explain? TT:Suda 51 wants him, so it could be another snake case, of course, there's always possibility of other's for the 2 third party slots.

 

[Cyn]

@toise

i agree with most of your choices toise the only thing i dont like is that we arent mentioning anyone that will really bring their own unique gameplay at this point with the exception of a few key characters you named such as ridley and Rool. but i think that wario is a good enough representative for any wario game including wario ware. ive already given my opinion on bowser jr. and dixie kong? thats pushing it imo. the only thing that she could do diffent is something with her hair otherwise i think shed be too similar to diddy. kamek would work though i like that idea. i think tingle should stay as an assist. i dont think they should add anymore fox universe characters though and if they do then i hope krystal would be the last one. and i think one more f zero character would be enough, which in case i think they should get samurai goroh. and as ive never really been a earthbound/mother fan i cant really comment on any of those characters.

imo i think they should bring back some of the lesser known nintendo characters of old, i mean think about it how many people really knew about mother/earthbound before smash came out? there were some im sure, but not as many as there is now. and how important was pit before smash came out? think about it pit has only seen one game before brawl came out. and now isnt he looking at a new game coming out? i think it would be great to revive some old characters that have been forgotten or overlooked and bring a fresh spin on them.

 

[Wizzerd]

I don't think Kuma was overreacting. People use "representative" far too often, and it's really used to promote a character they like. The actions of some people do not seem unlike politics.

We do need to get the word out of our vocabulary. The characters in the game should create excitement. It should not be like Congress, which is very boring.

Even if you're right, what bothers me is that Kuma jumped on the word when it was used and disregarded the main point of the post. Jimny was making a valid point about why PT should stay the same, and it was entirely lost. He wasn't even using it in terms of series quotas. Bah, never mind.

Toise, that's a great list. I disagree with a couple of things, which you should know about already from seeing my roster, but yeah, great job.

 

[RetroAntonio]

We need Kumatora, she can use Lucas's moves, maybe as an alt?. Make PK Rockin Ness's FS, and PK Love Lucas's. Megaman FTW. Masked Man, ppplease. I want Shadow in it, he will not be a clone of Sonic. Add 02 as a boss, better wifi, a friend adder for the "With Anyone" mode. Porky...perhaps playable? Maybe in his Mother 2 form it'd be possible. Gigyas as a boss...somehow.

 

[n88]

Possible Newcomers:
Mario Series: Bowser Jr., Geno, Paper Mario
Reasoning: Rosalina was just a side-character for one, possibly two games. Toad? lol, 2 games and in peach's moveset. Really, If a 5th rep is to happen, It comes down to these 3. Each having flaws, each being suggested, and each one would bring something unique to the table. Only one sakurai and devs have shown any interest into are geno. Oh the on-going debate on this.

Really disagree with this. Toad is a popular character, and by no means can just be discounted. I don't think he's going to get in either, but he's far from getting an lol and brushed aside.

Geno is third-party (Bad), did poorly on the Melee polls (Worse), and seems to have completely disappeared from all Nintendo/Squeenix games (Worser). He has not appeared in any game in almost six years (And that was a cameo).

Rosalina ATM is not a fantastic candidate. She's currently a major character in one game and playable in MKW. But she's bound to appear in Galaxy 2 next year. Basically, she's got a lot of potential for growth. People have gotten into Smash with shorter resumes. And no, I'm not taling about retros.

 

[Big-Cat]

We need Kumatora, she can use Lucas's moves, maybe as an alt?. Make PK Rockin Ness's FS, and PK Love Lucas's. Megaman FTW. Masked Man, ppplease. I want Shadow in it, he will not be a clone of Sonic. Add 02 as a boss, better wifi, a friend adder for the "With Anyone" mode. Porky...perhaps playable? Maybe in his Mother 2 form it'd be possible. Gigyas as a boss...somehow.

I would be more than satisfied with her as an alt. or maybe even the Wolf of Earthbound, but that would make my views on Wolf hypocritical. Anyway, I agree with your Final Smash idea. It's strange that they went the "easy" way out on that. If you take the space anthros into account, though, it's not surprising.

Even if you're right, what bothers me is that Kuma jumped on the word when it was used and disregarded the main point of the post. Jimny was making a valid point about why PT should stay the same, and it was entirely lost. He wasn't even using it in terms of series quotas.

Read my post again, and you'll see that I didn't talk solely on the word "representative."

He commented that Pokemon Trainer represented the gameplay, but fighting games and RPGs have drastically different speeds so the developers are better off referring to the anime for execution.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Since I see rosters again, I post this. The ultimate roster.
http://drag0nscythe.deviantart.com/art/Super-Smash-Bros-Fisticuffs-95625895

He commented that Pokemon Trainer represented the gameplay, but fighting games and RPGs have drastically different speeds so the developers are better off referring to the anime for execution.

and seriously. Who gives a hoot about representing the gameplay of an RPG in a party game. He just saw an interesting character and used it, nothing complex. Sure, it is derived from it, but I do not think Sakurai went "I need PT in here to represent the gameplay mechanics found in the pokemon series." It was more "Hey, three characters in one. COOL!"

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

@Twiz: For the most part, the implementation determines the playstyle more than the source material. You usually play a Metroid game very aggressively, but Samus in Brawl is pretty defensive. Lucario never got stronger by being messed up in Pokemon, but it's certainly a unique mechanic, don't you think?


@Wizzerd: Yeah I knew you'd say that. Although your roster still fits into this list (ignoring Paper Mario and Tom Nook, anyway).

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Really disagree with this. Toad is a popular character, and by no means can just be discounted. I don't think he's going to get in either, but he's far from getting an lol and brushed aside.

Geno is third-party (Bad), did poorly on the Melee polls (Worse), and seems to have completely disappeared from all Nintendo/Squeenix games (Worser). He has not appeared in any game in almost six years (And that was a cameo).

Rosalina ATM is not a fantastic candidate. She's currently a major character in one game and playable in MKW. But she's bound to appear in Galaxy 2 next year. Basically, she's got a lot of potential for growth. People have gotten into Smash with shorter resumes. And no, I'm not taling about retros.

With those three contestants and the people who use Peach, I really can't see it happening. He's appeared with a main role in...Super Mario Bros 2, That new mario game coming out...And that's it from what I know (Please; Feel free to correct me on that If I'm missing any) But I suppose he isn't that unlikely. It's just that, I already have three possibilities listed.

Geno: If you really want to argue this, go to FMOI. Really, It's really because of his journal results with brawl, and how those will probably help influence Smash 4 (Oh, and Forest Maze was in the files), And really, in the grand scheme of things, assuming sakurai's working on the next game, his bias can go far ways.

However, If someone else is working on it for whatever reason, then It comes down to the other two I listed.

Rosalina: Mario =/= An RPG Series or so. She's a side character that's been less important than Bowser Jr and only has had in actual role in one game (Possibly two) Really, not that likely...Stands out as a better assist or something.

 

[Pieman0920]

*looks at Toise's list up there*


.... Why in the name of pie did you put Jody Summers in there? You may as well put in people like Waluigi, Birdo, Micaiah, Slippy, or Jimm...wait, he's actually there. :V

All these lists seem to have things I'd disagree with, and for the sake of not getting into a huge argument, I don't want to comment on them much, but really now, if you include Jody Summers as a pottential new character, then you basically qualify a bunch of obscure characters from other series.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Jimmy T. is questionable, yes. I even mention that in the post.

But I'm surprised you, of all people, question why Jody is there. I always thought you were the only one here aside from me who knew anything about F-Zero. Maybe that was Fatman though. Oh well.

 

[justaway12]

With those three contestants and the people who use Peach, I really can't see it happening. He's appeared with a main role in...Super Mario Bros 2, That new mario game coming out...And that's it from what I know (Please; Feel free to correct me on that If I'm missing any) But I suppose he isn't that unlikely. It's just that, I already have three possibilities listed.

Wario woods also :o

Anyway, I kinda agree with Rosalina, I think Daisy has better chance, and even her chances are slim.
Rosalina has only been in two (possibly three) games (not important in one, not playable in one (possibly two)), Toad has appered in the games (non-spin off) and much more spin-offs.
Bowser jr. has a better chance, Paper mario too, possibly.

 

[Wizzerd]

(Oh, and Forest Maze was in the files)

The song in beta that could be translated to Forest Maze could also be translated into the song from an area in Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time.

I'm nitpicking here, just wanted to point that out.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

*looks at Toise's list up there*


.... Why in the name of pie did you put Jody Summers in there? You may as well put in people like Waluigi, Birdo, Micaiah, Slippy, or Jimm...wait, he's actually there. :V

Explain to me exactly how she is as bad as any of those others??? Or are you one of those Roy fanatics that think he Ike and Marth should be the only ones to see a Smash game?

 

[Pieman0920]

Jimmy T. is questionable, yes. I even mention that in the post.

But I'm surprised you, of all people, question why Jody is there. I always thought you were the only one here aside from me who knew anything about F-Zero. Maybe that was Fatman though. Oh well.

I am one of the few here that knows a good deal about F-Zero, and that's why Jody makes no sense to me. I thought you of all people didn't want characters to be added in for things like being another girl, or being another villain, and all Jody would be is the F-Zero girl character. She has never been shown fighitng in any way, she has virtually no fans to speak of, and she has very little importance in the main canon (I guess if you want to include the anime, then there's that, but I don't think Smash really takes that into account, and in which case, you have to consider Ryu Suzaku/Rick Wheeler, as well as many other characters who became important in that canon, such as Zoda)

Really, outside of her being a girl, what is your justification for putting her in?

And Paper Mario Master, it seems pretty clear that you never saw the Fire Emblem debates I got into, otherwise you'd know that I've actually argued for Micaiah as having good pottential, while Roy not having any to speak of. In the end though, any new FE lord would probably trump both. Still I put her on that list because it doesn't make sense to not include her in the pottential FE characters area, while including Jody in the F-Zero ones. :V

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Micaiah is 10 times better than Jody (who has [don't get mad at me here I'm just pretty sure] not much importance if any)

 

[Thirdkoopa]

All these lists seem to have things I'd disagree with

Please; Do comment. I'm mainly going off of what seems likely If said series get a new rep (Because It's completely debateable If some do get one...With sakurai, you can't always be that sure) I'd enjoy more critism on it.

The song in s appered in the games (non-spin off) and much more spin-offs.
Bowser jr. has a better chance, Pbeta that could be translated to Forest Maze could also be translated into the song from an area in Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time.

I'm nitpicking here, just wanted to point that out.

Well, I asked to point things out =p So It's questionable on what it could be, still doesn't out play everything else. Point still stands: Geno has a shot, probably not as big as Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. (Hell, I don't even think it is) But those are the only real three likely possibilities. (Well, maybe toad If he get's really lucky and sakurai really doesn't see much in the other 3, but there's no one else really probably apart from that)

Edit: Jody Summers? Really, If we're getting another F-Zero rep (Which we SHOULD Be, the series in smash has been cheated out of a lot. Port town aero dive is amazing) Chances are It'll probably be goroh

...Or Black Shadow If sakurai finds unique potential.

 

[Cyn]

@Twiz: For the most part, the implementation determines the playstyle more than the source material. You usually play a Metroid game very aggressively, but Samus in Brawl is pretty defensive. Lucario never got stronger by being messed up in Pokemon, but it's certainly a unique mechanic, don't you think?

I agree

But as for metroid I play defensively, guess that's why when I played prime 1 2 and 3 I never died. That's just me though.

 

[DekuBoy]

Well, Jody Summers is basically a cop. I would say that's better than Micaiah, who dies pretty easily in Radiant Dawn.

 

[Neo Exdeath]

@Paper Mario Master: By the time the next Smash rolls around, no one will care about Micaiah because there will be a new FE with a new lord that's probably going to get in. Micaiah missed her chance to get in, sorta like Banjo-Kazooie. Sure, there might be fanboys of her, but there are also lots of Roy fanboys.

 

[NinjaFoxX]

^Lyn...nuff said...


also,Lucas should get a moveset with moves he actually uses in-game,or replace him with Kumatora and the Masked Man>.>i mean really? sakurai couldnt make a moveset with PK Love or PK Flash in it?except for the PSI sheild, he practically ripped a moveset that coulda completly belongs to Kumatora..

i played Mother 3...lucas in brawl now disgusts me even more now-.-discuss

 

[Neo Exdeath]

^ There are also Lyn fanboys. A lot of characters have fanbases, but they're probably too minor to get in.

 

[Wizzerd]

@Paper Mario Master: By the time the next Smash rolls around, no one will care about Micaiah because there will be a new FE with a new lord that's probably going to get in. Micaiah missed her chance to get in, sorta like Banjo-Kazooie. Sure, there might be fanboys of her, but there are also lots of Roy fanboys.

I wasn't aware that Banjo-Kazooie ever had any chance.

But yeah, I concur with your main point.

 

[Neo Exdeath]

^They had a window of opportunity before Melee to get in. Nintendo didn't sell Rare until '03 or '02.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Well.....technically I'm pretty sure we didn't know about Shadow Dragon when he was announced in Brawl so Marth equaled old then.
Micaiah is better than you give her credit for....I say she has a better chance than "New FE Lord" placeholder.
We don't absolutely know that there will be a new FE (Hoping for an RD sequel for the wii) but there might be one anyways since RD was quite a while back......
Oo Roy has tons of fans! Micaiah has quite a few too. There have been A LOT of "new FE lords" since him. He barely has anything close to as much of a chance as Micaiah.
The way I see it is: Roy has a huge fanbase and was in Melee VS. Micaiah is a recent important Lord that has tons of potential and not as large of a fanbase.......who will win? Nobody until Sakurai screws us over with another R.O.B. >.> and doesn't give us anyone......

@Deku: So what if she dies easily? Marth dies easily for me in SD but he's in Brawl. It's just a matter of training. Invalid Argument

The only way I accept Roy is this: (I'm not saying he doesn't have any chance just not as big as Micaiah)
I love Mewtwo. I want Mewtwo back. Mewtwo=AWESOME EPICNESS. (this is imo btw)
Does anybody think we're getting Mewtwo back without Roy?

 

[Cyn]

Yeah its too bad nintendo sold rare. It woulda been pretty cool to see conker in smash haha.

 

[professor mgw]

This thread is to big of a topic, to many sub-topics.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

This thread is to big of a topic, to many sub-topics.

It is. I've only gotten really one comment on my guesses, and that was only one part of my guesses...This topic changes pretty quickly from one subject to another.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

It is. I've only gotten really one comment on my guesses, and that was only one part of my guesses...This topic changes pretty quickly from one subject to another.

I really hate it when I'm not here for a while and I miss out on a conversation

Y'know what? You guys just changed the topic.

 

[professor mgw]

Im going to do something about this....

hopefully.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

like what?

 

[professor mgw]

I just made SSB4 character discussion thread.