[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Pieman0920]

Holy god, that was bad. Please, for the love of God, stop now. You lost 2 pages back.

1)Royy IS the second most importaint Fire Emblem character because it's the second one everyone knows.

You seem to be confusing popularity (with non-fans) with importance.

2)Roy was planned to be in Brawl. We know he was sure as heck going to be in there but was removed because of time. If your using this argument, YOU'VE got nothing left.

If he was the second most important FE character, he would have made it in though infront of Ike. He wasn't important enough, and thus was cut in the end. Thus by the end of the development, he was intended to be cut, even if at a time before that he wasn't.

3)Melee is the biggest thing that happened to Fire Emblem. It is the only reason you can play it.

Yes, but that doesn't mean Roy has to be automatically associated with it. We do have Marth after all.

4)Was Leaf in Smash Bros. All Smash Bros fans know Roy. Do they know Leaf.

Of course not, but in the series itself, Leaf and Roy have about the same amount of importance.

I could go though the rest of it, but it's just flat out awful. You have no good points and you act like a ***. Stop arguing. You've lost.

Teehee. Its funny because you're the one being ***-like. Toise and I may be arguing, but we're not really trying to make it personal like you're trying here. I could say that you have no good points either, since your main one about Roy being so important due to being in Melee is flawed by the fact that he wasn't important enough to get into Brawl.

 

[Mowrt620]

I think they should keep it basic
marth
ike
roy
lyn



4 chars. is good enough

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Sooo... you think... that Ganondorf, also known as the Dark Beast, Prince of Darkness, King of Darkness, King of Evil, Dark Lord, and the Evil King, should be a clone?
I mean come on! How can the main antagonist of THE LEGEND OF ZELDA be a clone?

Okay, go play Brawl with Ganondorf then with Falcon and come back.

They may have been complete clones in Melee but Ganon got heavy and MOST of his moves are now different from Falcon, they may have similar animations but they're different,
play as both of them in Brawl and then try and argue.

 

[Mowrt620]

Okay, go play Brawl with Ganondorf then with Falcon and come back.

They may have been complete clones in Melee but Ganon got heavy and MOST of his moves are now different from Falcon, they may have similar animations but they're different,
play as both of them in Brawl and then try and argue.

Still, c'mon, he's ganondorf, and he's practicly the same as falcon....
thats just lame, and no sword

Papermariomaster, you have to admit they could have done WAYY better with ganondorfs moveset

 

[Pieman0920]

Yeah, and in SSB4, odds are their movesets will diverge even more, giving them only a few moves in common.

The only move I really want Ganondorf to have though in the next game is that reflect ball. After that, he can keep most of his Falcon moves. (No need for swords, tbqh)

 

[PowerBomb]

We need to have someone other than Samus from Metroid become a playable character. Perhaps someone other than Ridley, even.

...Kraid needs to be a boss. Either that or Mother Brain. Space Pirate could be a playable character :D

 

[Mowrt620]

Yeah, and in SSB4, odds are their movesets will diverge even more, giving them only a few moves in common.

They could also give ganondorfs moves to black shadow, he at least has something in common with c. falcon, lol

 

[Kwyjibo]

Things I'd like to see:

Added Characters

Mario series:
F.L.U.D.D (possibly F.L.U.D.D User)
Professor E. Gadd
Bowser Jr.

Animal Crossing series:
Tom Nook

Donkey Kong series:
Dixie
King K. Rool

Pokemon series:
Mewtwo

Star Fox series:
Krystal
Tricky
Slippy

Zelda series:
Wolf Link
Tingle

Others:
Professor Layton (CHALLENGER APPROACHING... but first, we have a puzzle we'd like you to solve)
Little Mac
Balloon Fighter

Note: As much as I'd love to see characters like Geno and Banjo, they're owned by other companies (Square Enix and Rare respectively) so it's not going to happen without them.

I'd also like to see Ness and Lucas only being able to use the PK moves they had in the actual games.

Things I'd like to see gone:
Clones - They need to take the current clones, make them their own characters, and stop giving us more. Every singly Star Fox character should not have the same moves.
3rd Party Characters - I never thought they should be in the game. The point of the game is for NINTENDO characters to fight each other, and it should have stayed that way.
Giant stages: HEY, SAKURAI, ARE YOU LISTENING? NOBODY LIKES TEMPLE AND NOBODY LIKES NEW PORK CITY. DON'T MAKE ANOTHER ONE!

 

[Mowrt620]

We need to have someone other than Samus from Metroid become a playable character. Perhaps someone other than Ridley, even.

...Kraid needs to be a boss. Either that or Mother Brain. Space Pirate could be a playable character :D

Ok, who else thinks ridley would be awesome? everyone thinks he'd be to big, but they resized bowser, who is twice the size of mario, right?!?!
He has potential with his moveset too, and the people who say that he would make samus less badass......seriously, get real, he would own!

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

My Seventh SSSB PC Roster

Mario: Mario (with Dr. Mario alt), Luigi (with Mr. L alt), Peach, Bowser (with Dry Bowser alt), Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario

DK: Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and King K. Rool

Yoshi: Yoshi

Wario: Wario

Metroid: Samus, ZSS as a separate character, and Ridley

Zelda: Link, Zelda/Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link, and Tingle

Kirby: Kirby, Meta Knight, and King Dedede

Starfox: Fox, Falco, Wolf, and Krystal

Pokemon: Pikachu, PT Red with Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard, Jigglypuff, Lucario, and new gen Pokemon OR Mewtwo

FE: Marth, Ike, and Micaiah OR new lord

F-Zero: C. Falcon and Samurai Goroh

Earthbound: Ness and Lucas

Retro/Other Nintendo: IC, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Pit, Olimar, Little Mac, Glass Joe, Animal Crosser OR Tom Nook, Saki OR Isa, Sukapon, Lip, and Isaac OR GS3 protagonist

Feel free to make comments!

 

[Mowrt620]

Things I'd like to see:

Added Characters

Mario series:
F.L.U.D.D (possibly F.L.U.D.D User)
Professor E. Gadd
Bowser Jr.

Animal Crossing series:
Tom Nook

Donkey Kong series:
Dixie
King K. Rool

Pokemon series:
Mewtwo

Star Fox series:
Krystal
Tricky
Slippy

Zelda series:
Wolf Link
Tingle

Others:
Professor Layton (CHALLENGER APPROACHING... but first, we have a puzzle we'd like you to solve)
Little Mac
Balloon Fighter

Note: As much as I'd love to see characters like Geno and Banjo, they're owned by other companies (Square Enix and Rare respectively) so it's not going to happen without them.

I'd also like to see Ness and Lucas only being able to use the PK moves they had in the actual games.

Things I'd like to see gone:
Clones - They need to take the current clones, make them their own characters, and stop giving us more. Every singly Star Fox character should not have the same moves.
3rd Party Characters - I never thought they should be in the game. The point of the game is for NINTENDO characters to fight each other, and it should have stayed that way.
Giant stages: HEY, SAKURAI, ARE YOU LISTENING? NOBODY LIKES TEMPLE AND NOBODY LIKES NEW PORK CITY. DON'T MAKE ANOTHER ONE!

Yes to ballon fighter and tom nook
No to slippy and tingle

 

[Tacel]

Okay, go play Brawl with Ganondorf then with Falcon and come back.

They may have been complete clones in Melee but Ganon got heavy and MOST of his moves are now different from Falcon, they may have similar animations but they're different,
play as both of them in Brawl and then try and argue.

I have before.
Down B - Same
Up B - Same
B - Same
Aerial Down B - Same (I think)

Four moves are the same. I consider that to be a clone.

Also, I edited my post from before. Sorry if I sounded like a jerk, Mario the Jumpman.
And yes, if Ganondorf can't have his sword, at least let him have moves from the Boss battle in Ocarina of Time.

 

[Pieman0920]

They could also give ganondorfs moves to black shadow, he at least has something in common with c. falcon, lol

No

Kind of like this Roy thing, Black Shadow really doesn't deserve a spot, and the people who push him are not fans of his series, but of another. In this case, they are thinking of what's right for LoZ, instead of what's right for F-Zero. Samurai Goroh is the number 2, and unless a new game changes that, he's the one who should get in. (Of course its highly possible that neither get in...)

Also @ MtJ. Be it Micaiah, Roy, FE12 lord, Lyn, Leaf, Sigurd, Sheeda, Hector, Soren, Nergal, the Black Knight, Eliwood, or whoever, I very much doubt that Fire Emblem will get four characters. Three seems to be the magic number with it. (Though I guess not going up at all is also a possibility)

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Still, c'mon, he's ganondorf, and he's practicly the same as falcon....
thats just lame, and no sword

Papermariomaster, you have to admit they could have done WAYY better with ganondorfs moveset

The only thing is that he can have his energy thing auto released like his punch

 

[Mowrt620]

No

Kind of like this Roy thing, Black Shadow really doesn't deserve a spot, and the people who push him are not fans of his series, but of another. In this case, they are thinking of what's right for LoZ, instead of what's right for F-Zero. Samurai Goroh is the number 2, and unless a new game changes that, he's the one who should get in. (Of course its highly possible that neither get in...)

I would prefer black shadow over samurai goroh anytime, i think samurai works best as an assist trophy

btw, black shadow would have matched ganondorfs moves better...
if he will be in the next one, he could get brand spanking new moves, obviously

 

[Tacel]

The only thing is that he can have his energy thing auto released like his punch

BuT iT's NoT a PuNcH iS a BaLl Of EnErGy!
And he could also have a move that stuns people like he did to Link and Navi.

 

[Mowrt620]

Heres a f zero list...

C. Falcon
Black shadow
Octoman (maybe)

We only need, like 2 reps 4 this one

 

[Paper Mario Master]

To Mario the Jumpman:

I don't see why Micaiah could be replaced by a not new or interesting bring something new Roy

I also don't know why you cut so many of the characters and added: Little Mac and Tingle...

Knuckle Joe would be better than Lil Mac and Why would you choose TINGLE over Vaati, T. Ganon, SK, Midna, or Y. Link? Toon Ganon over any of those has the most potential Dual Wielding Swords People get their Ganon w/ sword and we still have awesome Ganon that's half clone...

 

[Mowrt620]

If they take clone moves out, the game will at least feel more advanced.
Giving fox, falco, and wolf different moves would be AWESOME!
Another thing, some characters need more moves from their games to bring back uniqueness
Luigi, instead of basic brawl karate, he could use the poltergeist 3000, or whatever
Olimars down B is kinda useless, ,maybe upgrade that....hmmmm.....
More game-based movesets is what I'm talking about, u know what i mean

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

To Mario the Jumpman:

I don't see why Micaiah could be replaced by a not new or interesting bring something new Roy

I also don't know why you cut so many of the characters and added: Little Mac and Tingle...

Knuckle Joe would be better than Lil Mac and Why would you choose TINGLE over Vaati, T. Ganon, SK, Midna, or Y. Link? Toon Ganon over any of those has the most potential Dual Wielding Swords People get their Ganon w/ sword and we still have awesome Ganon that's half clone...

Micaiah is less likely to be a clone, although Roy has his potential.

Vaati is the villain of three of the worst Zelda games (or so people say). We don't need T Ganon, SK, Midna, or Y Link, silly.

And we don't need that many movesets staying true to their games, Mowrt! Lighten up!

 

[Mowrt620]

Micaiah is less likely to be a clone, although Roy has his potential.

Vaati is the villain of three of the worst Zelda games. We don't need T Ganon, SK, Midna, or Y Link, silly.

search up midna and wolf link, thats a good moveset
i dunno about regular midna tho...

And young link with the masks would be cool too

 

[Mowrt620]

Why not? whats the point of having karate when hes got ghost stuff, idk
It would make him more luigi, and unique

 

[Paper Mario Master]

BuT iT's NoT a PuNcH iS a BaLl Of EnErGy!
And he could also have a move that stuns people like he did to Link and Navi.

Maybe but the ball shouldn't be Shadow Ball, it would charge up just like the punch even able to turn maybe and the ball of energy is released afterwards right where he would punch and would be ranged helping him...and maybe he should have that move but I don't wanna give up his B<> the most. I like his B^ and MAYBE could change his Bv...

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Why not? whats the point of having karate when hes got ghost stuff, idk
It would make him more luigi, and unique

I think we should drop this subject; it could get out of control.

 

[Mowrt620]

hmm, what subject then....
lol

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Micaiah is less likely to be a clone, although Roy has his potential.

Vaati is the villain of three of the worst Zelda games (or so people say). We don't need T Ganon, SK, Midna, or Y Link, silly.

And we don't need that many movesets staying true to their games, Mowrt! Lighten up!

That's why I said TG has the ,most potential because he would be the very first character to dual wield I know the odds are slim for the other 3 they could be great and Vaati's games weren't THAT bad...

and Roy has a lot less potential than Micaiah

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

hmm, what subject then....
lol

I don't know, but please no Final Fantasy (unless we get to bash it, then I would likely join in).

Pit dual-wields.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

If they take clone moves out, the game will at least feel more advanced.
Giving fox, falco, and wolf different moves would be AWESOME!
Another thing, some characters need more moves from their games to bring back uniqueness
Luigi, instead of basic brawl karate, he could use the poltergeist 3000, or whatever
Olimars down B is kinda useless, ,maybe upgrade that....hmmmm.....
More game-based movesets is what I'm talking about, u know what i mean

Hahahaha, You never used Olimar have you?

His down B is the core of his strategy, the pikmin order is very important, and a well timed super armour can result in punishing the power characters. Olimar's Down B is fine the way it is.

 

[Tacel]

Maybe but the ball shouldn't be Shadow Ball, it would charge up just like the punch even able to turn maybe and the ball of energy is released afterwards right where he would punch and would be ranged helping him...and maybe he should have that move but I don't wanna give up his B<> the most. I like his B^ and MAYBE could change his Bv...

His up be could be him getting raised up by Reese.

 

[Mowrt620]

Whadd'ya think about pacman, lol
if he was third party, he'd have alot of possible moves
especially
Down B- ghost reflect shield
Up B- ball thing tether
Side B- Throw a ball, thing, occasionaly a big one
B- Chomp!

anything else?

 

[Mowrt620]

Hahahaha, You never used Olimar have you?

His down B is the core of his strategy, the pikmin order is very important, and a well timed super armour can result in punishing the power characters. Olimar's Down B is fine the way it is.

I knew about the sheild, but not the pikmin order, cool

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Whadd'ya think about pacman, lol
if he was third party, he'd have alot of possible moves
especially
Down B- ghost reflect shield
Up B- ball thing tether
Side B- Throw a ball, thing, occasionaly a big one
B- Chomp!

anything else?

Can we please not talk about third-parties subjects?

 

[§leepy God]

I don't know, but please no Final Fantasy (unless we get to bash it, then I would likely join in).

♪ Whaa, why? There are some Final Fantasy characters that's in mostly Nintendo. You can even check Mario Hoops 3 on 3. Only thing I'll agree is that the Cloud support. †

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

♪ Whaa, why? There are some Final Fantasy characters that's in mostly Nintendo. You can even check Mario Hoops 3 on 3. Only thing I'll agree is that the Cloud support. †

If FF characters like Cloud and Sephiroth make the cut, I would likely go crazy, beat myself up at least once upon hearing that news, and bully FF fanboys over Smash 4 Wi-Fi.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

His up be could be him getting raised up by Reese.

Reese? plus i like his "Dark Dive" maybe they could power it up a bit...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

If it's any consolation, you could use Cloud as a Sandbag substitute if he ever gets in (which is about as likely as Sonic having a tea party with Dr. Eggman ).

The roster of SSB4 will largely be based on the Brawl polls. And whether Roy returns or not will be determined by the SSB4 polls. Do you know who votes in those polls? (Hint: Not Halo fans)

If that's the case, there seems to be quite a few people here that clearly don't believe that Geno and Claus will get in, despite the fact that they were voted/mentioned/whatever more than once in the poll itself.

It's sad, really.

On the bright side, K. Rool and Ridley are considered to be likely candidates.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

♪ Whaa, why? There are some Final Fantasy characters that's in mostly Nintendo. You can even check Mario Hoops 3 on 3. Only thing I'll agree is that the Cloud support. †

That's the only reason i support Black Mage Mario Hoops 3 On 3 and he might be cool

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Pit dual-wields.

Half the time Pit dual wields but then puts it back together, TG would have two swords that would always be used in both hands

 

[Kwyjibo]

Olimars down B is kinda useless, ,maybe upgrade that....hmmmm.....

Rearranging your pikmin is useless?

 

[n88]

Uh....If that's true, then Roy won't show up until SSB5, since I'm fairly sure no one voted for him in the Brawl polls.

EDIT: Hurr durr, I didn't read that right. Still it seems off that you'd make a acception for him like that. (Seems like a odd post too, since you don't explain why Roy gets a pass on that, though I'm pretty sure of your reasoning for it.)

I think Sakurai would easily have time to add Roy as a last-minute clone if he does well on SSB4 polls. (As you said, I'm pretty sure he didn't get too many votes on the Brawl polls.)

sorry to beat a dead horse, but...I was referring to his animations in FE6, which are mostly look like Marth's neutral B attack, with the exception of his Promoted class' critical, which is the stab with fire...

Oops. My bad.

Thank you to everyone who criticized my roster when I said it wasn't done yet.

Column 1
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr.
Dr. Mario

Column 2
DK
Diddy
King K. Rool
Yoshi
Wario
2nd Wario character or 2nd Yoshi character (If it was a Yoshi char, they would appear above Wario)

Column 3
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Tetra/Toon Zelda
Tingle

Column 4
Samus (ZSS)
Ridley
Ice Climbers
Pit
ROB
Little Mac

Column 5
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede
Ness
Lucas
Lip

Column 6
Fox
Falco
Wolf
C. Falcon
Samurai Goroh
Olimar

Column 7
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer
Lucario
Mewtwo
Pichu (This spot goes to most recent Pokemon game-rep. Curently Pichu, subject to change)

Column 8
Marth
Ike
Roy
FE Character
Isaac (Or GS3 protagonist)
Saki

Column 9
Mr. Game & Watch
Snake
Sonic
Megaman
Another 3rd Party
Random


Total Characters (W/Transformations)
53 (58)

Total Newcomers/Returning Cut Melee Characters
18 (Same as Brawl)